I'll be the first to admit that I'm wrong.

[WolfHaley]

Can you prove that he does have it with a viz scan?

There are tons of reasoning you can do to deduce that he does have it.

1. He has Itachi's eyes, which contain Tsukiyomi

2. Danzo compared the Genjutsu he has used on him specifically with Tsukiyomi. This is key to explain: Why would Danzo compare a technique Sasuke used to Tsukiyomi's ability to control time perception in order to some up the quality of the Genjutsu, when Tsukiyomi is the only technique that has been shown to control time perception? Let's say for example, you are looking at the quality of a car. Would you say "This car is pretty good, but isn't THAT good because it can't travel on water like that boat over there?" No, because summing up the quality of something with a trait that is impossible for it to possess would be brain-dead. Why mention the time-controlling aspect of Tsukiyomi if the technique Sasuke used WASN'T Tsukiyomi? Why compare it all to Tsukiyomi if it wasn't Tsukiyomi, especially when Itachi has far more well-known Genjutsu to compare it to? It's not like it was just for the sake of riling Sasuke up via psychological warfare, as just saying "You're not as good as Itachi" or "Itachi has even better Genjutsu than this" would suffice.

3. Sasuke has Amaterasu in his left eye. As shown with Itachi, Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi are held in opposite eyes. Tie this in with the fact that Sasuke used a Genjutsu with his right Mangekyo that flipped the color scale, something only Tsukiyomi has been shown to do, you can surmise that it was Tsukiyomi, but just very weak.

Not everything will be spoon-fed to you, you have to look at smaller hints and details to complete the big picture.

 

[RedRobin]

It's like Sage Mode,where only a few people had it but now it's common to anyone who can use senjutsu.

Not Orochimaru, Jugo or Minato who can hardly use it.

 

[riley freeman]

On the Mecha Naruto thing, this series as a whole technically follows a multiverse canon similar to what comic books do. So there are technically three individual canons, the manga canon, anime canon, and video game canon in the Naruto series.

Also, I not really doubting it since I have no opinion on the matter, but if Sasuke has Tsukuynomi, why didn't he use it to get edo Itachi out of sound genjutsu instead of regular genjutsu?

itachi was edo so he didnt have to worry but sasuke was alive and it puts great stress on the eye

 

[vasu 32]

Seriously though. Everyone relevant with MS has Susano'o... :|

By Everyone you mean, only Indra, Madara, Sasuke, Itachi and Obito [ as per cannon ], meaning only 5 Uchihas in such a vast clan [ though they are all dead now, right?

 

[Jessika Uzumaki]

Lol! It takes a man.to admit his mistakes.

 

[The Necromancer]

But if you can't prove that he does have it that means it's proven that he doesn't have it right? Personally I just think he has a stronger than normal genjustu but not tsyukyomi

On the Mecha Naruto thing, this series as a whole technically follows a multiverse canon similar to what comic books do. So there are technically three individual canons, the manga canon, anime canon, and video game canon in the Naruto series.

Also, I not really doubting it since I have no opinion on the matter, but if Sasuke has Tsukuynomi, why didn't he use it to get edo Itachi out of sound genjutsu instead of regular genjutsu?

My belief is that

Amaterasu is to Sharingan Genjutsu as Enton is to Tsukuyomi.

The only difference is that the base form of Enton has a name, while the base form of Tsukuyomi doesn't.

By Everyone you mean, only Indra, Madara, Sasuke, Itachi and Obito [ as per cannon ], meaning only 5 Uchihas in such a vast clan [ though they are all dead now, right?

5/7 in history, yet it's supposedly rare...

 

[SusanooKyuubi]

itachi was edo so he didnt have to worry but sasuke was alive and it puts great stress on the eye

Well that makes a little sense....:| I might as well avoid the subject all together.....

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Well, you were merely following the databook, and the manga was not clear. I always believed Amaterasu and Tsukyomi themselves were not required because of Madara. However, who could have thought that it's possible for any double MS user to use susanoo?

 

[Varrah]

It it not able to be proven nor disproved. But there are strong scans that suggest he does.



MS Sasuke. I believe it to be one of his base MS techniques along with Amaterasu.

What would make you still believe Sasuke’s Mangekyō Sharingan possesses Tsukuyomi?


The reasons for Susanoō in the databook, even before for the release of chapter 688, were proven incorrect during Taka’s invasion of the Kage Summit; the manga always supersedes the databook. All it took to realize this matter is the ability to contextualize the information; that is, placing the information databook in its original setting, which obviously, could not be amended in accordance to the manga. You wouldn’t read any of Shakespeare’s works assuming he knew of today’s language—slang—or issues. The databooks work the same way, some of the information in it is not applicable for the current manga, simply because it cannot be amended; hence the release of new databooks.


Furthermore, several translators, particularly on Naruto-Forums have translated Danzō’s assessment of Sasuke’s Genjutsu as a comparison to Itachi’s Tsukuyomi.

 

[vasu 32]

5/7 in history, yet it's supposedly rare...

How do you know for sure that there were only 7 MS user in History of the clan? Just because they weren't showed?

 

[The Necromancer]

How do you know for sure that there were only 7 MS user in History of the clan? Just because they weren't showed?

Because Madara lived only about 60-70 years before Itachi was born, and it was already forbidden by the time Itachi was born.

Fugaku nearly shit his pants because of Itachi's MS. Clearly it wasn't something people just awakened and walked around with all willy-nilly.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

How do you know for sure that there were only 7 MS user in History of the clan? Just because they weren't showed?

I always figured there were more MS users,it makes Tobirama's statement of seeing Amaterasu more plausible that way.

 

[WolfHaley]

What would make you still believe Sasuke’s Mangekyō Sharingan possesses Tsukuyomi?


The reasons for Susanoō in the databook, even before for the release of chapter 688, were proven incorrect during Taka’s invasion of the Kage Summit; the manga always supersedes the databook. All it took to realize this matter is the ability to contextualize the information; that is, placing the information databook in its original setting, which obviously, could not be amended in accordance to the manga. You wouldn’t read any of Shakespeare’s works assuming he knew of today’s language—slang—or issues. The databooks work the same way, some of the information in it is not applicable for the current manga, simply because it cannot be amended; hence the release of new databooks.


Furthermore, several translators, particularly on Naruto-Forums have translated Danzō’s assessment of Sasuke’s Genjutsu as a comparison to Itachi’s Tsukuyomi.

Check my post earlier.

I always figured there were more MS users,it makes Tobirama's statement of seeing Amaterasu more plausible that way.

Izuna or Madara could have possessed it.

Edit: It was most likely Izuna, as Tobirama seemed to understand it more than Hashirama.

 

[Varrah]

5/7 in history, yet it's supposedly rare...

This is incorrect. There were numerous individuals who awakened the Mangekyō Sharingan after Madara abandoned Konohagakure. A large number of these individuals sought to replicate Madara’s Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan; and thus, in their attempts to acquire Madara’s power, many sacrifices began to pile up among the clan, this act left the Uchiha a

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Check my earlier post.

I have, the reasons you list are not valid.

 

[The Sach]

Kakashi pulling out PS has completely killed the small bit of logic which was left in the manga. I don't even think that Kishi will ever explain relation between Susano'o and Tsukuyomi, if guy haven't explained Madara pulling out Susano'o without eyes till now.>_>

 

[WolfHaley]

This is incorrect. There were numerous individuals who awakened the Mangekyō Sharingan after Madara abandoned Konohagakure. A large number of these individuals sought to replicate Madara’s Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan; and thus, in their attempts to acquire Madara’s power, many sacrifices began to pile up among the clan, this act left the Uchiha a

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I have, the reasons you list are not valid.

Can you explain why? Otherwise, this means nothing more than a simple cop-out.

 

[Cunning Linguist]

At least you admitted you were wrong. I can't relate since I've never been wrong. You are a big man

 

[Trollasaur]

#rekt.
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[Minator93]

Today finally ended the ongoing debate.

For years it has debated about whether or not Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu were required to unlock Susano'o as stated in past databook entries.

Many took Sasuke's statement of "Double Mangekyou" as disproving the Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu debate, which frankly didn't make much sense, as unlocking Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu was unlocking a double mangekyou.

Then Madara showed up with his Perfect Susano'o, and we all thought the debate would end. But alas, he never showed his other MS/EMS techniques.

More recently Kishi revealed a special Susano'o in Shisui Uchiha for the upcoming Ninja Storm Game. Of course, this was hardly credited, as including this as cannon would also include Mecha Naruto and Mecha Kurama as cannon as well. :|

Finally with Obito's death, it seemed we would never get a proper answer to this debate. But as much of a BS Asspull path it was, the path that led to Kakashi's unlocking of Perfect Susano'o finally ended the debates for good.


In conclusion, I was wrong. I admit it. I'm not ashamed, as it was impossible to disprove or prove. This however does not change my opinion on Sasuke having Tsukuyomi

Thanks for barely reading.

Well I always said that DB page was Itachi specific because procedure for SM included summoning Ma and Pa but both Minato and Naruto did it without them. It was funny though, that despite it being so obvious you couldn't grasp it Lol

Truly you had the crown of being the most dim-witted till now, hopefully you'll get better soon.

 

[Mad Daz]

Glad its been confirmed sasukes 2 MS skills are Enton and Ameratsu. Hopefully that random tsukyomi talk will end with it