[Discussion] If whitebeard was in his prime in the marineford war.
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He would still have gotten the sh*t kicked out of him. Marineford was a one sided curbstomp by the marines. Most of the top tiers on WB's side were severely injured, while the Admirals and Shichibukai went for the most part unscathed, with no lasting injuries to speak of. Even if he was stronger, there is no way he could handle 3 admirals at once, adding in Garp, Sengoku and the Shichibukai is glorious overkill.
Prime whitebeard would have destroyed marineford. The admirals would have been hard put just trying to stop him let alone his divisional commanders. Also the divisional commanders would have nothing to worry about either, so they won't be distracted.
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Then Garp and Sengoku would've entered the war , and finish him off , rather than having the young guys do it.
if we keep all variables same except WB is prime , shanks and his crew would come through. Wb in prime and shanks plus his monster crew would have resulted in ace being alive. and mihawk would not fight, ppl dont get that most schibukai arent gonna go all out, they dont care enough about marines to do so, like when Mihawk said he has no obligation to fight Shanks crew.
and Wb commanders are no joke when they fight together.
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Shanks only came there to stop the pointless war, that kept on going (unless you believe Coby was siding with the Whitebeard pirates to stop the war). And he even told Marco to step down.. he in no case was there to assist the Whitebeard pirates.
"would've resulted in Ace being alive".. only way that was going to happen is if Sengoku risks the chance, which he won't in this case due to this being Whitebeard prime.. then again Akainu could simply proceed to wreck Ace, like he did in canon. Sengoku himself could just behead Ace the moment he seems they got too close.
Mihawk said he has no obligation to fight Shank's crew, because he clearly understood the war was now pointless (just like Coby was able to). And he had only came for Whitebeard, as that was the agreement made. Now the situation you're describing is totally different from the situation in the manga. And the Warlords are obligated to help the marines, due to their contract (please don't use the whole "they can just bail on the world government if they want like jinbei did" because in that case they would no longer be warlords).
The only reason we didn't see the warlords go all out in the MF war (just like how the main Vice-Admirals and Admirals didn't go all out), is because there was literally no reason to..... It was a one-sided rescue attempt.
WB commanders are no joke.. you're right... but considering the strongest commander was only alive due to pure plot device of Kizaru forgetting about him.
PS: Whitebeard would be dead by the time Shanks comes in.
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There wouldnt have been a war but a slaughter fest and the navy hq probably wouldnt have executed ace but have come to some deal between WB and the seven elders
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A slaughter fest.. when the Marines also has 2 people who were on Whitebeard's level? And combined they would be stronger than Whitebeard in his prime. Considering one of them was on par with Whitebeard when both of them were in their primes (garp).
Also, Sengoku could've beheaded Ace the moment Whitebeard stepped foot on Marineford..
so shanks came in for coby, no he absolutely did not, he jut stopped akainu from doing something he felt was wrong. the thread only changes the fact that Wb is in his prime thats it everything else is the same, so shanks would come through.
Mihawk did not go all out, admirals did especially akainu and kiz aru, kizaru cant d nothing to marco and vice versa its a stalemate. LOL ur using plot for marco not dying come on dude its just his DF he is a defensive beast and hyped to be able to potentially top BB.
u kno that marines especially sengoku only would kill the prisoner at the allotted time, they are in the eyes of the world, so they wont back on their words , they even took the time to find replacements for the beheaders . aokiji forze the denden mushi when pirates implied this war was staged, they have a reputation come on man ur beyond this level of stupidity. marines arent gonna kill just for fun.
so now lets review shanks is coming, and Wb high diffs(lowest lvl of high diff) an admiral(akainu), marco and kizaru stalemate, jozu and another commander hold off kuzan. now if schibukai go for killing intent yes marines win but if not no because shanks would be there by that time. I'm keeping all variables the same except for Wb being in prime. And if ace is out he can hold off some schinukai, and ppl like impel down prisoners , corcodile and jimbei are quite good time buyers so schibukai would have their hands full. Only mihawk can make the difference but he never went all out or cared about the marines, he straight up leaves if shanks comes through. Schibukai arent servants they act on their own, when marines summon them for a meeting 3 of 7 coming is a huge deal yea they are really obedient.
Wb isnt dying look how long it took for WB to go down sick and dying. stop dickriding admirals, prime shiki was able to hold off two admiral + level guys for a while. Garp in his prime is better than akainu and any current admiral , admiral in a 1v1 get downed by Wb in a decent amount of time. if shanks comes to help they can definitely save ace.
No one said Wb pirates are winning but they can save ace a lot easier with the same circumstances , they arent there to take on the world forces but stall and get ace out.
yea old guys are Wb prime, WB>=shiki who held for a whole day with these two. prime Wb can take on two washed up albeit strong ppl. you know hed be able to spam GG punches also giving more opportunities to save ace.
you should really not talk about OP if u think sengoku would do that in front of a world audience.
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On WB's level=/=equal to WB in power. Lucci was on Luffy's level, though Luffy was ultimately stronger. It was also implied by WB himself that his title no longer applied to him.
I'd say only garp was, sengoku was washed up, none of the admirals get beyond high diff, Mihawk is a maybe but he isnt serious. I'm guessing thats the 6 u were implying. Marco was on kizaru's level, kizaru nor marco could do damage to each other. And in this thread we are talking prime so old garp is not prime WB.
If anything it shows that he deserved that title to the end when he took that much abuse for an ill 72 year old could take to die. akainu by hype is no shanks who is the only other person i see on par with old WB other than garp. If akainu cant kill a guy in the middle of heart attack while he also took damage from other ppl I cant help but think he loses highest of high diff if it was fresh old WB vs him. its not extreme diff in that scenario and this is again prime Wb.
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Yeah, the Admirals, Mihawk, Garp, and Sengoku are definitely the ones on his level.
Nothing indicates Garp got weaker like WB did. Also, Kizaru and Marco clashed with one blow to each other. To base the entirety of their capabilities on that alone is so dumb. Luffy also failed to injure Lucci when they first clashed. Pica was able to match a sword strike from Zoro as well. If you seriously think that that one clash was enough to gauge an entire fight, then you need to go.
No they arent and this is prime WB not old, even old they dont take it to extreme diff in a pure 1v1. akainu was all about dirty tricks and he couldnt kill him after all the other ppl damaging him, if he was on his level he should have killed him when he had a heart attack.
garp did get weaker its common sense u get weaker when you age to ur 70s. And he doesnt go after strong pirates in the w orld anymore cuz he is an old man who retired, how is he equal to his prime, rayleigh wasnt prime, sengoku wasnt when ppl get old they arent at their strongest riker its simple logic really.
no kizaru had no option to stop marco that he used a VA and a seastone to damage him while his back is turned whereas garp just *****slapped him easily. Yea sure thing kizaru>marco, no they both cant hurt each other is the point. oh u kno another reason I put marco up there its due to hype, he was hyped to challenge the like s of BB an possibly take him down so yea he is kind of a big deal. kizaru isnt Wb level neither is any admiral they all get high diffed in a pure 1v1 match up. Lets not dickride too hard here especially since its prime WB.
and sengoku is washed up he cant outright kill luffy plus matches evenly with a new BB with GG who is very inexperienced. dude u just say they are the same level when no one gets that level of hype. admirals are never hyped on that level and t hey prove it, they cant kill a heavily injured WB. only garp has the hype and he proves it with the ease at which he can d ish out damage like to marco. kizaru coudnt do anything to put him down by himself or slow him down. admirals are close but no yonko lvl. only garp and maybe mihawk is that level.
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Sooo how'd you get Shanks coming into stop the war confused with shanks came in for coby??
Are you kidding me dude?? The moment Marco looked somewhere else, a ****ing Vice- Admiral, made him useless by putting seastone cuffs on him.. his DF was negated, had Kizaru/Akainu/Aokiji/Mihawk and etc had gone to take his head at that time, they would've succeeded.. but no one did.. for god knows why. And no he isn't hyped on the level of the Yonko.
Kizaru went all out.. depsite him not receiving a single serious injury? and yea Akainu did, due to him facing the Old Man himself.
No not really.. Sengoku from what i recall did give the order to kill Ace.. Them killing Ace, in front of the world a hour earlier, won't make them lose face for the world. Idk where you're getting bullshit from about them losing face for excueting a criminal a hour early.. especially when Akainu slaughtered that mofo..
"Marines aren't gonna kill just for fun".. no clue how this has anything to do with killing the guy whose on excuetion a hour or couple minutes early.
So we're ignoring how Jozu got wrecked.. and how Marco was made useless the moment he looked somewhere else.. and we're also ignoring how Shanks didn't come there to help the Whitebeard pirates fight, but to stop the fight. There was no alliance between Shanks/WB, so don't go making crap up bro.
Except this time, when they got called all of them had to show up. ;]. They are as obediant as Garp was...At the end of the day, they are World Government's employees.. nothing less , nothing more. An employee is not a Servent btw.. but somebody who works for the said organization or person.
Mihawk won't leave if Shanks shows up and joins Whitebeard.. He left because Shanks literally stated that they need to stop the War.. It was going to be Shanks VS (anyone who still wanted to fight, this includes the Whitebeard's pirates). And you're also ignoring, Blackbeard pirates showing up.
And notice how Shanks showed up after Ace and Whitebeard's deaths.. and not before.
You mean look how it took a hour or so, to kill Whitebeard?? They can literally repeat the Squardo incident.
WHERE ARE YOU GETTING SHANKS WAS THERE TO SAVE ACE??!! HOLY SHIT. HE SAID THE SAME SHIT COBY SAID THAT CONTINUING THE WAR WAS POINTLESS.. and that he wouldn't have the bodies of Whtiebeard and Ace be exposed to the world like that.. thats literally it. He never took Sides..
You just claimed they'd win..
You don't even know how the Shiki vs Garp/Sengoku fight went down.. so stop dickriding it... and actually use stuff you know about.
"two washed up albeit strong people".. my ass he can. Stop riding Whitebeard that hard dude.
Stuff you made up:
- Marines have to stick to the time limit = wrong
- Shanks would assist Whitebeard = wrong (they aren't allies, and neither was shanks there to help the WB pirates).
- Mihawk would automatically leave like a *****, once Shanks shows up = wrong (he only stopped just like Shanks/Coby wanted the war to stop, it was pointless continuing it).
- Sengoku and Garp are Washed up = Wrong, they are marine soldiers meaning they train and keep up with their stuff, they wouldn't have a washed up guy who was weaker than the youngsters continue being the Fleet Admiral.
- Shiki taking on Garp/Sengoku in 2 vs 1 , and making the fight last near a day (or was it half a day), is the same as Whitebeard taking on the two in the war = Wrong.
I was referring to their primes. ;p
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Yes it does because you're insinuating the Admirals and Mihawk are inferior to Prime WB, which isn't the case. Nothing has ever indicated that.
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Except that is the case.. We already have had this discussion before, where neither of us changed our opinions regarding the situation.