[Discussion] If whitebeard was in his prime in the marineford war.

[Pigmyz]

Would it have gone any differently?

 

[Venomous Cobra]

It would've been much different, it was implied and hinted more than enough times for me to care looking for right now.

 

[Bimbonium]

It would have been different, Ace would be alive and MF would be in shambles (most likely at the bottom of the sea)

 

[MadaraReturns]

He'd make everyone there drop a soap, and **** them

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Prime whitebeard would have anihilated impel down low diff, prime whitebeard alone WOULD have been the alliance

 

[Itachi Minato]

I still thinking ace would have died. He was free and they were all getting away he just had to go fight akainu like an idiot. Not sure what whitebeard could have done there.

 

[Punk Hazard]

He either would have died and dropped an Admiral, most likely Akainu, with him, or survived but be grievously injured and Ace still would have died. I doubt the three admirals would have actually let Akainu sink MF. In all likelihood, they'd just triple jump him, which would result in his death and them being injured.

 

[arv993]

He either would have died and dropped an Admiral, most likely Akainu, with him, or survived but be grievously injured and Ace still would have died. I doubt the three admirals would have actually let Akainu sink MF. In all likelihood, they'd just triple jump him, which would result in his death and them being injured.

prime wb>> any admiral. and i doubt marco, jozu and vista would sit and chill and let admirals triple team him. and marineford was already destroyed him in his prime means his observation haki allows him to dodge way more and have a higher stamina meaning marineford can only get destroyed more.

 

[Punk Hazard]

prime wb>> any admiral. and i doubt marco, jozu and vista would sit and chill and let admirals triple team him. and marineford was already destroyed him in his prime means his observation haki allows him to dodge way more and have a higher stamina meaning marineford can only get destroyed more.

Prime WB isn't defeating any one Admiral short of extreme diff.

No, they wouldn't, but they can be stalled by mountains of marines, Shichibukai, or even be taken out by the Admirals first. Bear in mind that during Marineford, Akainu, Aokiji, and Kizaru hardly exerted themselves. Akainu and Kuzan changed the weather of an entire island permanently, it's so obvious that they weren't doing all that they could have. It was implied multiple times that WB's strength and the strength of his DF wasn't actually affected by his age and sickness, his stamina and reaction speed were. Even with his illness, Sengoku and Tsuru still spoke of his strength as they remembered it from his prime. And if anyone really thinks that the Admirals are gonna sit back and let WB destroy MF, especially when they were hardly exerting themselves in the war when WB wasn't, then you've gotta be pretty dumb.

WB barely touched the city itself. He blew a crevice in he bay and his direct massive blow to the main building, which was him getting serious, didn't even scratch Aokiji's office. People don't seem to realize this, but the WB Pirates utterly failed at Marineford at every objective except for saving Luffy's life, and barely dented the Marines as much as the Marines dented them. WB didn't touch MF nearly as much as you're trying to make it to be, which is pretty much that he blew MF half to hell when he didn't even come close.

 

[arv993]

Prime WB isn't defeating any one Admiral short of extreme diff.

No, they wouldn't, but they can be stalled by mountains of marines, Shichibukai, or even be taken out by the Admirals first. Bear in mind that during Marineford, Akainu, Aokiji, and Kizaru hardly exerted themselves. Akainu and Kuzan changed the weather of an entire island permanently, it's so obvious that they weren't doing all that they could have. It was implied multiple times that WB's strength and the strength of his DF wasn't actually affected by his age and sickness, his stamina and reaction speed were. Even with his illness, Sengoku and Tsuru still spoke of his strength as they remembered it from his prime. And if anyone really thinks that the Admirals are gonna sit back and let WB destroy MF, especially when they were hardly exerting themselves in the war when WB wasn't, then you've gotta be pretty dumb.

WB barely touched the city itself. He blew a crevice in he bay and his direct massive blow to the main building, which was him getting serious, didn't even scratch Aokiji's office. People don't seem to realize this, but the WB Pirates utterly failed at Marineford at every objective except for saving Luffy's life, and barely dented the Marines as much as the Marines dented them. WB didn't touch MF nearly as much as you're trying to make it to be, which is pretty much that he blew MF half to hell when he didn't even come close.

mountains of marines really? conquerors haki negs them. yea they did show all they can, and the weather changed due to days of fighting. admirals< yonko are u that simplistic that you cant see oda showed you how many ppl it took for an old with illness wb to be killed. even akainu resorted to underhanded tactics to get ahead that proves all it needs to.

and dont give stupid hype to admirals yea they are top tier but them changing an island isnt that great considering doffy's BC is pretty OP, not even an admiral could break it and Wb cant change the landsscapes of places in a short amount of time not 1 days which is far more impressive.

and kizaru cant do jack to marco he can constantly heal, its a stalemate to the finish. jozu and others are plenty enough for kuzan. lol extreme diff, then why cant akainu beat an old with illness and insanely damaged wb low diff but he absolutely could not. dont overhype admirals they are not on the level of garp, roger, shiki and WB. they would get lowest lvl of high diffed by this caliber of ppl.

sengoku and tsuru spoke well of him cuz he is still a monster who could deny that, you are not even using valid points cuz theres so many moments where they mention that he used to be much better. for ex crocodile, marco and even WB himself instead you take statements out of context, bro idk if ur trolling or u actually believe in the garbage u say.

if we take everything the way it was going except but put prime WB in there they would have gotten ace and left but marineford would be in shambles.

 

[Punk Hazard]

mountains of marines really? conquerors haki negs them.

All of them? Nah.

yea they did show all they can, and the weather changed due to days of fighting.

The point is that they didn't show anything close to that level of attack that would cause permanent weather change when used for days. The Admirals were holding way back.

admirals< yonko are u that simplistic that you cant see oda showed you how many ppl it took for an old with illness wb to be killed. even akainu resorted to underhanded tactics to get ahead that proves all it needs to.

Only one. Akainu by himself could have killed Whitebeard if it wasn't for plot demanding WB survive until later, as I've shown many times in these debates. Back when they first clashed, old, ill WB was losing to Akainu, who stepped back to let fodder strike at him instead of striking him in the face or blowing off his limbs.

The only reason so many people fought WB during the war was because it's a war. It's not a series of 1 versus 1 matches that just go through until the end. Fighters are constantly leaving the fights to get involved with other nearby skirmishes, which is something that Kizaru and Aokiji took advantage of.

and kizaru cant do jack to marco he can constantly heal, its a stalemate to the finish.

And what did Marco do to any Admiral? Even when he blindsided them, he couldn't even draw blood.

jozu and others are plenty enough for kuzan.

Jozu stalled Kuzan for a moment and was unable to bust out of Kuzan's attack. That places Jozu even below Doflamingo. You think someone like that can stall Kuzan long enough for him to be unable to even get an attack sent at WB?

lol extreme diff, then why cant akainu beat an old with ilness and insanely damaged wb low diff but he absolutely could not.

Oh you mean the way an old WB was left on one knee with a giant magma-inflicted hole in his abdomen, which left him so disoriented that several fodder could charge him? If Akainu had charged him again instead, that would have been the end for WB. Hell, if Akainu had plunged his fist through his face, WB would have lost. The

dont overhype admirals they are not on the level of garp, roger, shiki and WB. they would get lowest lvl of high diffed by this caliber of ppl.

Disagree. It makes no sense based on story and the portrayal for the gap to be this large. If it did, then we'd have Luffy being able to rolfstomp Admirals by the end of the story.

sengoku and tsuru spoke well of him cuz he is still a monster who could deny that, you are not even using valid points cuz theres so many moment where they mention that he used to be much better. for ex crocodile, marco and even WB himself instead you take statements out of context, bro idk if ur trolling or u actually believe in the garbage u say.

The only comments made on WB not being as strong as he was before was on his heart/stamina and reaction speed. Show me one panel that indicates WB's DF power was weakened.

 

[Ripple Hole]

Nah .

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Wouldn't have made a difference. WB and Ace would've still died. During the real thing, Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Garp, Sengoku and all of the VAs(except John Giant) were fine and Garp and Sengoku didn't do anything. The WB pirates would've been completely destroyed. Don't see how WB being healthy brings a different outcome.

 

[arv993]

All of them? Nah.


The point is that they didn't show anything close to that level of attack that would cause permanent weather change when used for days. The Admirals were holding way back.

Only one. Akainu by himself could have killed Whitebeard if it wasn't for plot demanding WB survive until later, as I've shown many times in these debates. Back when they first clashed, old, ill WB was losing to Akainu, who stepped back to let fodder strike at him instead of striking him in the face or blowing off his limbs.

The only reason so many people fought WB during the war was because it's a war. It's not a series of 1 versus 1 matches that just go through until the end. Fighters are constantly leaving the fights to get involved with other nearby skirmishes, which is something that Kizaru and Aokiji took advantage of.



And what did Marco do to any Admiral? Even when he blindsided them, he couldn't even draw blood.


Jozu stalled Kuzan for a moment and was unable to bust out of Kuzan's attack. That places Jozu even below Doflamingo. You think someone like that can stall Kuzan long enough for him to be unable to even get an attack sent at WB?

Oh you mean the way an old WB was left on one knee with a giant magma-inflicted hole in his abdomen, which left him so disoriented that several fodder could charge him? If Akainu had charged him again instead, that would have been the end for WB. Hell, if Akainu had plunged his fist through his face, WB would have lost. The

Disagree. It makes no sense based on story and the portrayal for the gap to be this large. If it did, then we'd have Luffy being able to rolfstomp Admirals by the end of the story.


The only comments made on WB not being as strong as he was before was on his heart/stamina and reaction speed. Show me one panel that indicates WB's DF power was weakened.

yea most of them would get knocked out. fodder really dont change the outcome in battles of top tiers but it did in MF cuz wb took on damage he didnt need to cuz of deterioration of obsv haki, stamina and inability to use Conq haki.

lol akainu could have killed Wb by himself are u serious why go through all thee hassle of going through backstabbing and underhanded tactics. he never beat him get outta here. underhanded meaning using squardo.

marco didnt do anything either but neither side could do anything thats the point its a stalemate.

jozu and vista are plenty enough and admirals cchanged the island from 10 days u see the difference, 10 days not a few hours which allowed for a change of weather stop overhping plz.

You play a lot of if games it didnt happen bro, Wb could have pummled him as he was pitifully falling to the ground but Wb went ahead, its classic anime Wb wouldnt just let him do that and akainu got that hit from a heart attack and his previous injuries thats what gave him that golden opportunity.

the gap can be decently large because the likes of sabo can be the one to face akainu and not luffy. sanji might take on kizaru not luffy. zoro seems to be the guy for fujitora not luffy. luffy eos would ahead of them by a good margin like he is with zoro now. luffy's opponent could be anyone, its not a lock in that its akainu to be FM. so the gap can be large enough to be as much as lowest end of high diff.

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he calls him weak, and second u brush off the stamina and obsv haki, it makes a huge difference, he takes a lot less damage plus he can keep using his devastating attacks more in his prime, its real simple if you actually think before u talk his power might not have decreased and that is an assumption on your part but his effectiveness in battle decreased incredibly, since he cant go on as big of a rampage with his health and being old. and getting attacked for his lack of obsv haki makes it much worse.

oh yea he was introduced with medical devices on him oda didnt imply he was weaker overall at all, dude come on your arguments are getting pretty pathetic.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

The Whitebeard pirates would've gone back home with a smile on their faces.

 

[ssjelf]

I can see WB not getting injured as much but i dont see it changing much. Maybe WB himself would have been able to rescue ace instead of luffy, but ace died saving luffy of his own volition, not because of WB's lack of strength. I can only see it changing if WB's power kept luffy from tiring himself out, but i think that would have happened regardless.

 

[YellowFang]

Believe me, not even Roger could have rescued his crew member if he were to be executed in the MF with whole Navy strength at disposal...

Only thing that'd have changed is that Ace would have been alive and kickin' while WB would have died as he did, because he had to stall the Navy from getting to his crew as they make their escape.
Different is that WB would have held his own against the Admiral trio for a much longer time before falling...

Navy's topshots are seriously underestimated in discussions.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You know when you lose a war and your top fighters are all seriously injured and the top fighters of the other side hardly went into action, you're in a bad situation.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

Believe me, not even Roger could have rescued his crew member if he were to be executed in the MF with whole Navy strength at disposal...

Only thing that'd have changed is that Ace would have been alive and kickin' while WB would have died as he did, because he had to stall the Navy from getting to his crew as they make their escape.
Different is that WB would have held his own against the Admiral trio for a much longer time before falling...

Navy's topshots are seriously underestimated in discussions.

Agreed ...but, WB will held his own until he falling or until Shanks appear ... , if War dragged on it will be WB Pirates + Luffy's Team + Shanks Pirates + maybe Rayleigh Vs Marine + Doffy , Kuma, Moria, ......Hancock not serious & Mihawk fled, so the war will be more crumbles ...

 

[Skull Knight]

Prime WB would have destroyed MF.
All 3admirals would be dead & Ace would be alive.