if sasuke's susanoo is featless

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Susanoo is a better tank than Kurama. Hence why you see Madara blocking 9-tails own tailed beast bomb with the Complete Susanoo.

So Yang Kurama tanking is better than Full Kurama? Didn't Yang Kurama tank Juubi's laser like tbb?

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. Yang Kurama took on RasenShuriken and was just knocked down so it could be that Madara didn't want Kurama knocked down which would make it easier for Hashirama to take control over Kurama. Naruto was using Kurama's chakra to Tank Madara's and Obito's Katon attacks and The Juubi's storm attack. The juubi's attacks should be stronger than a non charged (just formed and fired) tbb. Juubi's storm-http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/629/2.

Also remember 4 tails Naruto? Orochimaru sword that has the power to cut things couldn't pierce the 4 tails, Full Kurama has that dark chakra under his muscles and fur and we see the bones grow around 6 tails and the muscles around 7-8 tails and 9 tails would be the fur.

 

[KingHashirama]

So Yang Kurama tanking is better than Full Kurama? Didn't Yang Kurama tank Juubi's laser like tbb?

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. Yang Kurama took on RasenShuriken and was just knocked down so it could be that Madara didn't want Kurama knocked down which would make it easier for Hashirama to take control over Kurama. Naruto was using Kurama's chakra to Tank Madara's and Obito's Katon attacks and The Juubi's storm attack. The juubi's attacks should be stronger than a non charged (just formed and fired) tbb. Juubi's storm-http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/629/2.

Also remember 4 tails Naruto? Orochimaru sword that has the power to cut things couldn't pierce the 4 tails, Full Kurama has that dark chakra under his muscles and fur and we see the bones grow around 6 tails and the muscles around 7-8 tails and 9 tails would be the fur.

Notice how the tails were cut off from that Kurama. Alsoooo, a bijuu dama differs from the bijuu laser ;p. Not only that but Hashirama was gonna use it as an Rasengan. ;p.

But in the end PS tanked it like Nothing though ;p. Kurama would've been moved out or knocked away.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Notice how the tails were cut off from that Kurama. Alsoooo, a bijuu dama differs from the bijuu laser ;p. Not only that but Hashirama was gonna use it as an Rasengan. ;p.

But in the end PS tanked it like Nothing though ;p. Kurama would've been moved out or knocked away.

Susanoo has it's limits! haha and Still being able to stand after taking that laser is a feat no other person can claim ;P We seen Kurama attack from below the ground while in 4 tails cloak mode so if they're in Final Susanoo and lower then they can get pulled from Susanoo. Also Naruto making clones and using them to use their chakra arms to hold PS in place is also a possibility. Then Itachi comes and pierce Sasuke with his Totsuka blade since he's under Naruto's KA lol. Had too

If Sasuke gets the Rinnegan and can summon the Gedo Mezo (unless it gets destroyed since Obito is fused to it) then Sasuke can combine it with PS haha that would be cool to see!

 

[Champ]

Susano'o main nature is to be the Ultimate defense. Now that Sasuke can mold a Perfect one, massive Juubi dama only thing I can see killing him with it active, oh yes and Jinton no one can block that.

 

[KidGamer65]

This is about Kurama's sizes? We know BM Kurama isn't 7x smaller than full Kurama, did someone real say that? Kurama did turn half his size when his Yin chakra was seal but we do not know if Kurama replenished that chakra with Yang chakra or not. But all Bijuu should be about the same sizes and only the tails making them different in size. If they were the same sizes as babies then they should be when grown, it's not like they have different parents and Kurama got a growth gene when the others didn't.

Kurama does have far greater Chakra, near limitless. So his chakra could make him bigger as he grew or he could be the same size. As for the Mokuryu, you're using 2 different users for them tho, Madara with Hashirama's cells to base Hashirama, hard to say if the jutsus were the same size or if Madara's was larger due to being a path of the Sage. many mysteries.

I know its not 7x smaller, but its definitely not the same size.

-We've already seen that Kurama did not regenerate its Yin Chakra, otherwise BM Naruto wouldn't be the same size as BM Minato, nor would his Kurama cloak be made of completely Yang Chakra.

-The Bijuu being the same size at birth doesn't mean they'll end up the same size, especially when manga clearly shows Full Kurama is bigger than the others.

-There is no reason Madara's Mokuryu should be weaker than Hashirama's, its shown that his Mokuton is equal with Hashirama's as long as you refer to his Base Mokuton (Some of it) and Tsunade stated that he replicated her grandfather's flower world, meaning the scale is the same.

 

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Lol at people saying Sasuke wasn't inside the cloak when he made PS. It's pretty obvious he's within Naruto's BM, then powers up the susanoo. Sasuke himself does not require a cloak. As long as his chakra is in contact with Naruto's he's drawing chakra out of it. It's similar to when Naruto handed chakra out with chakra arms. Everyone that touched it received his boost. Similar to when Naruto touched Kakashi, and Kakashi received a chakra boost. Though, he showed no signs of a chakra cloak.

Not even to mention Juugo wasn't there, so claiming he wasn't inside the cloak and receiving benefits from it is pretty retarded. If Sasuke was not receiving benefits from it, their attack would have been futile, because the susanoo sword would not have pierced Obito. However, Naruto's chakra contained senjutsu, and Sasuke was inside the senjutsu. Sasuke does not have senjutsu, and Juugo was not in the cloak(Nor were the marking on his susanoo); so you draw the conclusions here. Fapboys are going to hate. Naruto and Sasuke are dead even right now. Everyone arguing who is stronger is mere opinion and can only be taken with a grain of salt because Kishi's obvious standpoint is even. You guys can bicker all you want, however, they're even.

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[TrollingSage]

1. His chakra wasn't being suppressed, that only happens when Mokuryu actually bites the target.

2. Clearly not factoring in the size difference between Full Kurama and BM Naruto, which is massive.

Unless you're suggesting full kurama is bigger than all 5 tailed beasts combined, the charged tbb Naruto made to counter their combined tbb is exponentially bigger than 100% kurama's tbb. The tbb the five bijuu made dwarfed even the bijuu themselves, and Naruto matched. 100% kurama is at most 2 times bigger than BM Naruto. Even if you factor in that size difference, BM Naruto's tbb should be a lot bigger.
Besides it's a manga fact that a jinchuriki with tailed beast > tailed beast alone.

 

[KidGamer65]

Unless you're suggesting full kurama is bigger than all 5 tailed beasts combined, the charged tbb Naruto made to counter their combined tbb is exponentially bigger than 100% kurama's tbb. The tbb the five bijuu made dwarfed even the bijuu themselves, and Naruto matched. 100% kurama is at most 2 times bigger than BM Naruto. Even if you factor in that size difference, BM Naruto's tbb should be a lot bigger.
Besides it's a manga fact that a jinchuriki with tailed beast > tailed beast alone.

Is it bigger? Yes, is it exponentially bigger? No.

Uh yeah, A jin with a Bijuu is stronger than the Bijuu by itself, but we are talking about Full Kurama and Naruto with only half of Kurama, the gap between them isn't going to be that big.

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[TrollingSage]

Is it bigger? Yes, is it exponentially bigger? No.

Uh yeah, A jin with a Bijuu is stronger than the Bijuu by itself, but we are talking about Full Kurama and Naruto with only half of Kurama, the gap between them isn't going to be that big.

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This is the tbb kurama made against Hashi. As you can see, it's barely the size of his head.
This is the tbb of the five bijuu which Naruto matched.

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It clearly dwarfs even the five bijuu themselves. Even if we assume kurama is five times bigger than all the bijuus, that means that tbb is atleast as big as full kurama i.e exponentially bigger than the one he made at VOTE which is barely the size of his head.

That looks like more than a 2x size difference.

1.Kishi doesnt always draw to scale.
2. There's no proof that Naruto's kurama's avatar is restricted to the size of 50% kurama. It's a cloak.
3. It doesnt make sense for Kurama to shrink more than 50% if he's only lost 50% of his chakra.

 

[AlphaScythian]

This is irrelevant. Them being the same size when they were babies doesn't mean they'll be the same when they are older. Shit logic.
The size of Susanoo's gem doesn't mean that full Kurama and BM Naruto are the same size, cause they clearly aren't.

Shit logic is on you. The gem size is direct indicator as susanoo grows proportionally. So gem of that size would indicate susano and kurama size that madara used.

8 of 9 bijus are same size yet kurama isnt? Got any direct conter fact?

It using chakra to form the Kurama Avatar is fact, it being at its original size isn't a fact, its idiocy. 50% chakra Kurama is going to make enough chakra to create a replica of the original Full Kurama? Why in the hell would BM Naruto using Half Kurama's power be as big as Full Kurama.

Chakra avatar is more efficient. A biju shrinks upon wasting its chakra, which means that high quantity of chakra is used to create and sustain flesh and bones. Avatar form solves that perfectly.

1. There are no other facts, they are just terrible assumptions from you.
2. Naruto fan? lmao, I've been defending Sasuke this whole entire thread yet I'm a Naruto fan? lmao, log off.
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The sheer fact that Mokuryu was able to wrap around BM Naruto more times than it did Full Kurama is proof that Full Kurama is bigger. You have no facts, Full Kurama is bigger than 50% BM Naruto, Half Kurama, and the rest of the Bijuu.

I'll agree that naruto's avatar has grown over time, but it has never been 7 times smaller then original. There is no scan where kurama dwarfs all other bijus by x7 not even by 50%. All the scans indicate even size and some evolution of avatar form.
Never called you naruto fan, but you are using retarded argument they are.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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Juugo was there. Look good. He's behind nardo and sauce. And as it stands nardo is stronger than sauce since like op said sauce lacks feats.

 

[KidGamer65]

Shit logic is on you. The gem size is direct indicator as susanoo grows proportionally. So gem of that size would indicate susano and kurama size that madara used.

It definitely isn't. Especially since there are scans that show that BM Naruto is smaller than Full Kurama, sorry pal.

8 of 9 bijus are same size yet kurama isnt? Got any direct conter fact? Chakra avatar is more efficient. A biju shrinks upon wasting its chakra, which means that high quantity of chakra is used to create and sustain flesh and bones. Avatar form solves that perfectly.

The others being the same size doesn't mean that Kurama will be the same size. Don't come here with shit logic. The rest is nothing but your irrelevant opinion.

I'll agree that naruto's avatar has grown over time, but it has never been 7 times smaller then original. There is no scan where kurama dwarfs all other bijus by x7 not even by 50%. All the scans indicate even size and some evolution of avatar form.
Never called you naruto fan, but you are using retarded argument they are.

-Where the hell did I ever say that Full Kurama is 7x bigger than the BM Avatar? Oh wait....nowhere.

-I've already shown multiple scans of Full Kurama being bigger than the Kurama Avatar. If you aren't going to contest those scans and instead try and argue with shit logic like the above then don't bother replying.

 

[AlphaScythian]

It definitely isn't. Especially since there are scans that show that BM Naruto is smaller than Full Kurama, sorry pal.

Yep you shown the scans of avatar at initial stages. BM form soon grown to be the size of hachibi which is next strongest after kurama. As i agreed avatar form has grown and it is in latest chapters that it is at it's fullest and with susanoo on it. So its only these BM form that we can compare to madara and its similar in size.

The others being the same size doesn't mean that Kurama will be the same size. Don't come here with shit logic. The rest is nothing but your irrelevant opinion.

BM form has matched the size of hachibi so long ago. While all bijus are have variatioon in size they fairly comparable. I do not see why would full kurama be twice as big or 7 times bigger.

-Where the hell did I ever say that Full Kurama is 7x bigger than the BM Avatar? Oh wait....nowhere.
-I've already shown multiple scans of Full Kurama being bigger than the Kurama Avatar. If you aren't going to contest those scans and instead try and argue with shit logic like the above then don't bother replying.

You compared full kurama to initial phases of avatar. In the scan with wooden dragon you used the number of coils argument from different users and disregarding kishis consistency on such trivial matter, while proportion of naruto to kurama was similar to that of madara.

And as big hypocrite you are you never actually contested my argument of susanoo gem proportions, you only say its irrelevant for no reason and shit. So much for good debater you hailed to be.

 

[saw2097]

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Kishi's standpoint is that they are even? Are you Kishimoto?

Based on what grounds, contrary to the myth Kishi never said they were even only that he keeps both in mind when upgrading one, and I don't recall a single line in the recent chapters where it was established they were even.

In fact there is a seen where Sasuke is shown to be jealous and angry over Naruto's progress, that isn't a sign of them being even.

Because they are rivals? Hashirama and Madara are rivals yet Hashirama is stronger, something Madara has admitted to.

OT: Back to the original issue, PS is the stabilized form of the Final Susanoo and Sasuke hasn't shown the ability to use it, and looking at the original battle between Hashirama and Madara, when the explosion clears Madara has fused Susanoo and Kurama, so it could be that he only tanked the TBB because of the fusion.

And just because Madara can do something doesn't mean Sasuke can, Captain Yamato has Wood Release yet he is no where near Hashirama's level. Both Sasuke and Itachi have Tsukuyomi yet Itachi's is far superior.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yep you shown the scans of avatar at initial stages. BM form soon grown to be the size of hachibi which is next strongest after kurama. As i agreed avatar form has grown and it is in latest chapters that it is at it's fullest and with susanoo on it. So its only these BM form that we can compare to madara and its similar in size.
BM form has matched the size of hachibi so long ago. While all bijus are have variatioon in size they fairly comparable. I do not see why would full kurama be twice as big or 7 times bigger.
You compared full kurama to initial phases of avatar. In the scan with wooden dragon you used the number of coils argument from different users and disregarding kishis consistency on such trivial matter, while proportion of naruto to kurama was similar to that of madara.

And as big hypocrite you are you never actually contested my argument of susanoo gem proportions, you only say its irrelevant for no reason and shit. So much for good debater you hailed to be.

You have no proof that those are initial stages nor do you have proof that the avatar increased in size from its first use. You are just spouting bullshit assumptions as usual, that's all that can be expected from you. Show me some damn proof of the shit coming from your mouth before replying again.

lol? The Kishimoto's inconsistency copout? He showed the same thing multiple times, the fact all you can do is rely on this shit is proof you have no argument.

@bold: The same Kurama avatar that was bound by Mokuryu is the

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who is as big as Hachibi. What were you saying again with your fanfiction?

@bold2: These are the same proportions?

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Not sure if blind or just stupid.

Your Susanoo gems argument has no base, and is shitted on by multiple scans showing BM Naruto to be smaller than the Kurama avatar.

Take your fanfiction and your BS out of this thread.

 

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Sasuke's V3 Susano'o on its knees = BM Naruto and other Tailed Beasts in size

Sasuke's v3 Susano'o on its feet >>>>>>>> BM Naruto and Tailed beasts in size

Sasuke's V4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>100% Kuruma>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BM Naruto

PS Susano'o Sasuke >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is basically a full grown man standing next to a Fox irl.

 

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Sasuke's V3 Susano'o on its knees = BM Naruto and other Tailed Beasts in size

Sasuke's v3 Susano'o on its feet >>>>>>>> BM Naruto and Tailed beasts in size

Sasuke's V4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>100% Kuruma>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BM Naruto

PS Susano'o Sasuke >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is basically a full grown man standing next to a Fox irl.

I want this as a sig...

 

[Optimistic]

I want this as a sig...

That means you agree?

I can show you the scan of his V3 being equal to BM Naruto in size when its bending on its knees if you want.

 

[AlphaScythian]

You have no proof that those are initial stages nor do you have proof that the avatar increased in size from its first use. You are just spouting bullshit assumptions as usual, that's all that can be expected from you. Show me some damn proof of the shit coming from your mouth before replying again.

lol? The Kishimoto's inconsistency copout? He showed the same thing multiple times, the fact all you can do is rely on this shit is proof you have no argument.

@bold: The same Kurama avatar that was bound by Mokuryu is the

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who is as big as Hachibi. What were you saying again with your fanfiction?

@bold2: These are the same proportions?

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Not sure if blind or just stupid.

Your Susanoo gems argument has no base, and is shitted on by multiple scans showing BM Naruto to be smaller than the Kurama avatar.

Take your fanfiction and your BS out of this thread.

*****. In your own scan its visible that kurama and hachibi are similar in size, with exception that gyuki is bulky and kurama was always skinny.

You next scans show smaller avatar at initial phases since naruto's body takes good space inside kurama head. Direct indicator that BM form has evolution in size.

Gem argument is the only valid one since gem keeps proportions to the susanoo body and sizes of our characters dont vary like almost everything else in this manga.

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Here we can nicely see the similar proportions that indicate rougly same size of BM to full kurama.

 

[KidGamer65]

*****. In your own scan its visible that kurama and hachibi are similar in size, with exception that gyuki is bulky and kurama was always skinny.

Its shown that Half Kurama is as big as Hachibi.

You next scans show smaller avatar at initial phases since naruto's body take's good space inside kurama head. Direct indicator that BM form has evolution in size.

Irrelevant. Mokuryu bound Naruto's BM 2 chapters before the scan of him standing next to Hachibi in front of the Juubi, so that is literally the same exact Kurama Avatar, you are just trying to deny facts as usual.

Gem argument is the only valid one since gem keeps proportions to the susanoo body and sizes of our charakters dont vary like almost everything else in this manga.

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Here we can nicely see the similar proportions that indicate rougly same size of BM to full kurama.

lol, what the hell? This only shows that the proportion of size between Sasuke's PS (While coating Kurama) to 50% Kurama is the same as Madara's PS (While coating Kurama) to 100% Kurama. This in no way means that Full Kurama is equal in size to BM Naruto when multiple manga scans clearly disagree. Some scans varying doesn't mean you can toss everything out of the window.