I thought Hashirama was considered the strongest

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What load of bollocks. Think about it carefully. Madara was the one who brought the fox into the fight. Do you know what that means? It means whatever Madara had in his arsenal(P.S) included wasnt enough to defeat Hashirama. Madara knew this which is why he tried to gain an advantage by bringing the fox.

I thought about it carefully. They were equals and Madara thought Kurama would give him the upperhand. Hashirama gained control over Kurama, giving Madara nothing but disadventage.
 

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nothing has been said about what techniques madara or hashi used, does that mean that they didn't use any of their techniques in a fight to death?

Perfect susanoo is the full power of madara, he had it and he would definitely use it in a fight to death. :|

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and as for injuries hashi sustained..

hashi was still walking and talking after VoTE but what of madara?
"even hashirama was convinced he was dead"
madara must have been out so cold that hashi actually mistook him as dead lol xd
 

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Madara wasn't talking about the Susano and the latest manga proves it. We all know how much he loves Hashirama. Do you really think Madara forgot to mention his most respected opponent? You just have to accept whats given to you and move on. Madara is far more superior and the fact that he's still here proves it.

"It's said that anyone who sees it dies." Said. Does that mean its true in every scenario? So if Hiruzen was called "The God of Shinobi" he's really a god? No need to make Hashirama look weaker than he really is. :rolleyes:

You're taking things to the literal extreme...
 

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Hashirama defeated Madara and Madara brought Kurama into the fight in the first place
 

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He isn't the strongest.

Pein/Nagato ( healthy ) , Current Madara and SO6p.
 

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It still stands that Hashirama>Madara according to Madara.
it still stands that sealing someone doesnt truly equal defeating. madara said the only way to stop him is a sealing ninjutsu.

its asinine to say that madara didnt use his full power against the man he despised the most.
well too bad for him his full power came later with rinnegan/mokuton

Nor can you accept the fact that Edo Madara admits Hashirama can still defeat him.
too bad it wont happen, making the statement useless. he said ONLY hashirama can beat him. meaning he thinks hes above rikudo sennin

How can Madara beat the crap out hims when Hashirama won the fight
edo madara >>>>>>>>>living madara

. He probably would have looked like a fodder if it wasn't for Kurama
they were equal rivals for many years. kurama got stolen from him.

What's clear is that Hashirama did defeat him, and Hashirama > EMS Madara is canon.
not until we see the flashback. i can say sauske defeated itachi but id be taking that way out of context

So really I find no reason for Madara to hold back against his ultimate rival,
and i find no reason to say that was madara prime

Hashirama > Madara is official
no it isnt. current madara > hashirama > ems


Enough of your Fanboygayism, Your Hero Madara already said it himself
"The only one that can stop me is Hashirama".
so madara >sage of six paths? according to him at least.

why do you forget to mention that he said even in his current state, Hashirama will beat him?
no he wont. he cant do a thing to current madara. we know this because hes both immune to any physical attack or ninjutsu. he will just come back again and again. whatever madara thinks, proves he doesnt know about the world. he hasnt fought enough shinobis to truly say hashirama > all.
 
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