I thought Hashirama was considered the strongest

[Djokovic]

I'm giving mad props to Madara for beating the crap out of Hashirama without Perfect Susano. It is also stated that Hashirama gained controll over the 9 tails during the battle.
You have to respect the man. I mean look how badly injured Hashirama is.

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[LegendaryAce]

i wont use perfect susano against hashi ill survive then use it later on ...how will i survive ill play dead THAT WILL WORK!

 

[Οdin]

I'm giving mad props to Madara for beating the crap out of Hashirama without Perfect Susano. It is also stated that Hashirama gained controll over the 9 tails during the battle.
You have to respect the man. I mean look how badly injured Hashirama is.

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You talk as if Kurama is your average summon. Also, there are threads that fix the whole misconception about Hashirama using Kurama against Madara. Get real.

Hashirama >> Madara.

 

[Eternal Solitude]

I think Madara was holding back,in his fight with Hashirama,cuz he wanted to gain his power.

 

[Djokovic]

Stop di**riding Madara. U_U He used it against Hashirama. End of Story.

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[thenykidsk]

as we know madara doesnt hold back...

 

[Οdin]

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Not really, no. You just can't accept the fact that Hashirama defeated EMS Madara... the man who brought the most powerful living creature to a fight. U_U Nor can you accept the fact that Edo Madara admits Hashirama can still defeat him.

 

[Djokovic]

Not really, no. You just can't accept the fact that Hashirama defeated EMS Madara... the man who brought the most powerful living creature to a fight. U_U Nor can you accept the fact that Edo Madara admits Hashirama can still defeat him.

I never denied EMS Madara lost. I'm just giving Madara mad props for injuring Hashirama that bad without using the full extend of his power.

 

[Le0Best]

How can Madara beat the crap out hims when Hashirama won the fight xd. Lol in africa if u get ur ass beat u get ur ass beat u know.

 

[Οdin]

I never denied EMS Madara lost. I'm just giving Madara mad props for injuring Hashirama that bad without using the full extend of his power.

He injured Hashirama? :| Didn't use his full power? :|

*Sigh* He had Kurama with him. Stop talking as if Kurama wasn't there. He probably would have looked like a fodder if it wasn't for Kurama. U_U The man admits Hashirama can still defeat him. I'm sure he used his full power in that fight.

 

[Djokovic]

He injured Hashirama? :| Didn't use his full power? :|

*Sigh* He had Kurama with him. Stop talking as if Kurama wasn't there. He probably would have looked like a fodder if it wasn't for Kurama. U_U The man admits Hashirama can still defeat him. I'm sure he used his full power in that fight.

What part of gained controll don't you get? Madara never mentioned using his perfect Susano against Hashirama. That's a fact.

 

[Οdin]

What part of gained controll don't you get? Madara never mentioned using his perfect Susano against Hashirama. That's a fact.

I said what I had to.​

--End of Discussion--​

 

[Djokovic]

I said what I had to.​

--End of Discussion--​

If you can't provide more arguments then please warp away. Say halo to Tobi for me.

 

[Presimax]

i dont think he did after all he did say its a disgrace to call it out twice if it didnt do the job 1st. if this wasnt true he would have praised them an said they were the second opponent he faced who survived the ultimate susanoo :shrug: think about it guys.

 

[Imperius]

Spoiler

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tsunade asked if her grandfather fought against "that" and madara replied that, if madara didn't use ps in the battle then madara would've said something like, i never used this against your grandfather, also, i think hashirama took control over the kyuubi and then madara used his perfect susanoo to fight the kyuubi that's how he knows that his perfect susanoo is as strong as a bijuu

 

[Ryuu..]

What's clear is that Hashirama did defeat him, and Hashirama > EMS Madara is canon. But I agree that it is no longer clear at this point whether or not Perfect Susanoo was actually used during the battle by Madara.

 

[Drakengard]

Hashirama did see it and die, just not in his VoTE battle

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I don't expect you to take it seriously but c'mon now...

I guess everybody's perspective of the manga is different anyways.. no point in debating on these subjects. Too many loop-holes and what-not when it comes down to it. Than things like whether a character's statement is valid or not always gets in the way.

 

[Memoria]

What makes me laugh is the people who say Madara held back against Hashirama because he wanted to gain his power (LOL). Gaining his power doesn't mean he shouldn't kill him, in fact Madara among all people would be the one who wants to kill Hashirama the most, since he was the leader of the Senju clan and his rival, he would kill him so his clan, the Uchiha clan, would be hailed as the strongest clan who defeated the Senju clan.

So really I find no reason for Madara to hold back against his ultimate rival, and it seems the fans of Madara out there are trying to twist the facts. Well, I'll say it in the open, Madara was going all out against Hashirama, his ultimate rival, but in the end, he lost.

So while I'm at it, let me remind the Madara fans that... Hashirama > Madara is official, this is the fact.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

Without him using Susanoo though, which means he held back:shrug:

I honestly don't care what he did or didn't use...Madara is too prideful for him to still after becoming a Edo and gaining Unlimited Chakra with an Undying Body to still believe Hashirama is better than him... and He said it soo...

 

[bobonosis]

in data books eveyone was considered to be the strongest...
Seven Swordsman,Tobirama,Hirshima,Hiruzen,Orochimaru and ect