I think Current Sasuke Could Defeat Tobirama

[Touken]

Sasuke had no intelligence on Deidara, yet deciphered his Jutsu and made many hypothesis while in the midst of battle with a S-Rank criminal. I'm more than confident he can do the same with Tobirama who has an even less devastating arsenal.

And how does this help him stop Tobirama from using Hiraishin?

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Sasuke had no intelligence on Deidara, yet deciphered his Jutsu and made many hypothesis while in the midst of battle with a S-Rank criminal. I'm more than confident he can do the same with Tobirama who has an even less devastating arsenal.

Less of the circumlocutory arguments. I said you had no proof he could see the Hirashin marks with the Sharingan.

 

[Crossroads]

And how the balls is being able to see chakra going to stop him from getting tagged?

Tobirama has shown one reaction feat that puts him above KCM Naruto; reacting to a V1 Juubito blitz while Naruto and Sasuke were unable to

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Naruto and Sasuke could have reacted to Obito, they merely lack the ability to move instantaneously, like Tobirama does. Sasuke has to react and correspond with base movements. All Tobirama has to do is react and activate his Jutsu.

Less of the circumlocutory arguments. I said you had no proof he could see the Hirashin marks with chakra.

Are you trying to infer that Tobirama's Hirashin markings contain no Chakra..?

 

[Onetimepost2]

Tobirama's hate for the uchiha makes me believe he created some type of jutsu to fu*k them up imo......tobirama takes it high diff....don't underestimate his intelligence of the uchiha and his intelligence in general....he is an innovator and would find a way to win

 

[Touken]

Naruto and Sasuke could have reacted to Obito, they merely lack the ability to move instantaneously, like Tobirama does. Sasuke has to react and correspond with base movements. All Tobirama has to do is react and activate his Jutsu.

And yet that didn't happen when he reacted to Juubito. There was no Hiraishin seal on him when he reacted to him.

Tobirama reacted against Juubito and corresponded with base movements.

 

[Shura]

And how the balls is being able to see chakra going to stop him from getting tagged?

How the balls is Tobirama supposed lay a hand on Sasuke when not only is he faster than him [

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] and he came out of that fight without a single drop of blood in return. [

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Tobirama has shown one reaction feat that puts him above KCM Naruto; reacting to a V1 Juubito blitz while Naruto and Sasuke were unable to

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This doesn't mean anything when he can't keep up with Sasuke's speed. Sure, he can react to it, but he can't keep up.

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

There is no proof for the second part of your post at all.

The Sharingan's abilities consist of two parts: the "Eye of Insight" (洞察眼, Dōsatsugan) and the "Eye of Hypnotism" (催眠眼, Saimingan).[5] The first of the Sharingan's powers is being able to see chakra flow. The Sharingan itself gives colour to chakra, allowing the wielder to differentiate them.[6] They are also able to tell if a person is under a genjutsu because the person's chakra flow would be irregular.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

Izuna is completely feat-less. We have no knowledge on his abilties besides the fact that he was Madara's brother.

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itachi stated that madara and izuna was equal that means MS madara= MS izuna and tobirama defeated that MS izuna which means tobirama actually defeated MS madara xd

 

[VongolaX]

Tobirama's FTG isn't as versatile and strong as Minato's, he has to come into physical contact through means of base speed before his FTG would even be a threat to Sasuke. Tobirama isn't as fast as Hebi Sasuke with feats, and Sasuke has typically been straight forward and to the point with his fights, at least when they're beginning. Kirin, Gōryūka, Chidori Nagashi, CM level 2, Sharingan battle perception/chakra perception.

Tobirama isn't beating Hebi Sasuke.

See this is were you fail in this perception

Your comparing ftg with minato, not sasuke

The fact that Tobimaru mastered shadow clone doesn't mean anything to you?

He can send a clone with ftg

You never took into consideration that he can use edo tensei, and use a chain of explosions with any amount of edo tensei.

All it takes is one touch from a clone/edo tensei and sasuke is done.

ftg is space time justu, get that through your head <-----Sasuke can't beat space-time speed

 

[Shura]

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itachi stated that madara and izuna was equal that means MS madara= MS izuna and tobirama defeated that MS izuna which means tobirama actually defeated MS madara xd

How do you know Itachi didn't lie? And just because Tobirama defeated Izuna, doesn't mean that he would defeat Sasuke as well.

 

[VongolaX]

hebi sasuke > tobirama



ok



i agree

you need to explain how and why otherwise i could just repeat

Tobimaru>>>>>Hebi Sasuke

^^It goes nowhere

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Are you trying to infer that Tobirama's Hirashin markings contain no Chakra..?[/QUOTE]

Be serious. The basis of your argument is that because of the assumption that Hirashin marks contain Chakra - which to the best of my knowledge there's no evidence for or against - and that because the Sharingan can see chakra that it must be able to recognise the seals as a threat. Yet numerous examples can be brought up in which: A] The Sharingan has failed in the aforementioned example; and B] An Uchiha has failed to recognise the seals.

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

Again there's no proof he can see the Hirashin markings. Not only that, we have zero indication of Tobirama's speed. Unless you want me to account the fact he arrived at the battlefield several panels before Sasuke.

The Hirashin mark is made up of chakra so sasuke can see it. He saw the micro sized bombs in his blood stream for god sake.
Tobirama is slower than Minato by far and sasuke has god speed. Manga fact.
He arrived late because he was plotting with Orochimaru.

 

[Smd]

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itachi stated that madara and izuna was equal that means MS madara= MS izuna and tobirama defeated that MS izuna which means tobirama actually defeated MS madara xd

no it does not.

Nothing is comfrimed on izuna.

except that he was killed by a slash that looks like he was caught off guard by.

its not like tobirama went all out, they were sword fighting

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

How do you know Itachi didn't lie? And just because Tobirama defeated Izuna, doesn't mean that he would defeat Sasuke as well.

madara >>>> sasuke its a fact

if and only if itachi lied then why cant you provide me manga reference which states that izuna < madara ?? i have facts and you sasuke's fanboys have only dreams


​tobirama will fodderize sasuke low diff. U_U fact

 

[Shura]

Be serious. The basis of your argument is that because of the assumption that Hirashin marks contain Chakra - which to the best of my knowledge there's no evidence for or against - and that because the Sharingan can see chakra that it must be able to recognise the seals as a threat. Yet numerous examples can be brought up in which: A] The Sharingan has failed in the aforementioned example; and B] An Uchiha has failed to recognise the seals.

Let's be serious here Kaaant. The Hiraishin marking is made out of Chakra or are you trying to imply that both Minato and Tobirama carry an invisible magical marker and that they can draw markings in less than a second?

 

[Touken]

How the balls is Tobirama supposed lay a hand on Sasuke when not only is he faster than him [

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], he is also able to defeat one thousand Otogakure shinobi [

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] without the intent to kill [

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] and he came out of that fight without a single drop of blood in return. [

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]

lol, this proves nothing. You had shown a scan of Deidara almost getting blitzed and that's about it. Juubito is far, far greater than Sasuke in speed and he still reacted to him. And oh, faster than him? Like what Kaant said before, Tobirama got to the battlefield before him. Saying that Tobirama can't react to Sasuke's speed is pure nonsense.

1000? Did you just pull that out of your bottom? Him beating fodder shinobi also proves nothing when we're talking about a mid-high Kage level shinobi here.

This doesn't mean anything when he can't keep up with Sasuke's speed. Sure, he can react to it, but he can't keep up.

As I've said before, Tobirama can definitely keep up with Sasuke's speed. Saying otherwise is disregarding Tobirama's feats.

 

[MetalGundam]

MS Sasuke can win

 

[Smd]

you need to explain how and why otherwise i could just repeat

Tobimaru>>>>>Hebi Sasuke

^^It goes nowhere

crossroad and the rest of the thread already is :|

Personal i think if hebi sasuke wins, its mid high diff.

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

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itachi stated that madara and izuna was equal that means MS madara= MS izuna and tobirama defeated that MS izuna which means tobirama actually defeated MS madara xd

Itachi Uchiha was lying, there is no way in hell he could have recorded what they did and what they've seen. It would defy even Naruto logic, be for real.
Itachi is good at deceiving and lying. Hashirama also lied about him being better, its a lie.