I fully agree with Obito and Madara's Plan

[TheVillain]

The people who agree with the idea of Infinite Tsukuyomi, are nothing but bunch of losers who have no life or particular purpose in life. Yes, life can be very difficult for some individuals, but the whole point for a living being to do is to experience it and strive. Those who have committed suicide for whatever reason, showed that they're mentally weak and could not challenge themselves let alone reality. And you have those who experienced so much suffering, and they never gave up for reaching their dreams; and they ended up achieving it. Those type of people are my inspiration - for example: Martin Luther King and Coretta Scott King. Not only them, but all the black people in the racism era fighting for their rights and freedom, while experiencing a shocking insults.

And as Madara pretty much described it: "When ever there is light, there are also shadows" Everything that has good will always have bad alongside it. That is what life is; you experience good and bad, which makes everything balanced. If something is perfect, then there is no point in it. Where is the fun? What can you even learn from perfect dream? That is what the IT does.

I'll pick reality over a dream, no matter how harsh it is. At least, I want to actually feel how real it is over a pile of lying bullshit.​

you just described madara

 

[noisemagician]

At least, before that stupid Kaguya hijacked it for herself, I am in full agreement with Infinite Tsukiyomi. I mean, think about it, even in our world, reality is a cruel, pointless hell, people are awful, wars happen, depression exists, and there is nothing but never ending misery, so, what's the point? Everybody acts as if Madara's plan is evil, but how so, what's so great about their world (or ours, for that matter) that would make the plan evil? What's so great about reality? Why not just live in paradise for an eternity, if possible, what sort of maniac would turn that down? Besides, whose to say what is reality anyway, reality is merely whatever you believe is real, no? So, I fully agree with Obito and Madara's plan, in fact, I wish it was possible to do the same in our world. What do you think?

I understand where you are coming from, life turned me into a pessimist. They say a pessimist is a disappointed optimist. Life is cruel and it sucks balls sometimes. But it can also be beautiful. Life is unfair, some people are born lucky, in a good family, a roof above their head, access to education etc. But most people are born in poverty, or in a country destroyed by war. Born with a genetic diseases or a mental disease.

I was born in Kabul Afghanistan and lived there for about 11 years, we fled for obvious reasons leaving everything behind, my father was a wealthy man. We fled to the Netherlands and are the lucky few. I am glad that we survived despised the odds. We live here for about 14 years. I am glad that we made it.
We all suffer from major chronic depression,and life sucks balls sometimes. So eternal bliss sounds like a welcome relief. However it is not real, and one code I live by is the truth above all things even if it means being depressed for the rest of my life.
And the eternal dream is nothing more then a beautiful lie.

 

[noisemagician]

Perfection is nothing but a paradox. The unpleasant parts of our life, make us treasure the pleasant parts much more and makes them sweeter. So yeah, I disagree with their plan.

I agree

 

[noisemagician]

The people who agree with the idea of Infinite Tsukuyomi, are nothing but bunch of losers who have no life or particular purpose in life. Yes, life can be very difficult for some individuals, but the whole point for a living being to do is to experience it and strive. Those who have committed suicide for whatever reason, showed that they're mentally weak and could not challenge themselves let alone reality. And you have those who experienced so much suffering, and they never gave up for reaching their dreams; and they ended up achieving it. Those type of people are my inspiration - for example: Martin Luther King and Coretta Scott King. Not only them, but all the black people in the racism era fighting for their rights and freedom, while experiencing a shocking insults.

And as Madara pretty much described it: "When ever there is light, there are also shadows" Everything that has good will always have bad alongside it. That is what life is; you experience good and bad, which makes everything balanced. If something is perfect, then there is no point in it. Where is the fun? What can you even learn from perfect dream? That is what the IT does.

I'll pick reality over a dream, no matter how harsh it is. At least, I want to actually feel how real it is over a pile of lying bullshit.​

That is such a ignorant thing to say ''Those who have committed suicide for whatever reason, showed that they're mentally weak and could not challenge themselves let alone reality''
Have you ever heard of mental diseases? The brain doesn't work properly. You can't go to a patient with caner and say that they are physically weak and that they should get over it.. People who commit suicide are mentally ill. You can't fault them for it.

 

[TheVillain]

That is such a ignorant thing to say ''Those who have committed suicide for whatever reason, showed that they're mentally weak and could not challenge themselves let alone reality''
Have you ever heard of mental diseases? The brain doesn't work properly. You can't go to a patient with caner and say that they are physically weak and that they should get over it.. People who commit suicide are mentally ill. You can't fault them for it.

no mental disease isnt the case

I have heard people commit suicide over a lost girlfriend or being poor

 

[Bronze]

That is such a ignorant thing to say ''Those who have committed suicide for whatever reason, showed that they're mentally weak and could not challenge themselves let alone reality''
Have you ever heard of mental diseases? The brain doesn't work properly. You can't go to a patient with caner and say that they are physically weak and that they should get over it.. People who commit suicide are mentally ill. You can't fault them for it.

Mental illness is not something you're born with or automatically possess you; it comes because the person himself/herself have done something, that resulted to illness in their brain. Thus my point stands.​

 

[noisemagician]

no mental disease isnt the case

I have heard people commit suicide over a lost girlfriend or being poor

A normal healthy brain won't commit suicide. Our body's and brains have evolved to survive. And we will do anything to survive. Unless there is something wrong with the brain/hormones etc.

Yeaah, Science *****

 

[noisemagician]

Mental illness is not something you're born with or automatically possess you; it comes because the person himself/herself have done something, that resulted to illness in their brain. Thus my point stands.​

Are you serious?

Mental illness are often genetic with some environmental influences.

 

[noisemagician]

Mental illness is not something you're born with or automatically possess you; it comes because the person himself/herself have done something, that resulted to illness in their brain. Thus my point stands.​

The ignorance is strong in this one.

 

[TheVillain]

Mental illness is not something you're born with or automatically possess you; it comes because the person himself/herself have done something, that resulted to illness in their brain. Thus my point stands.​

you are wrong

some are developed but some are genetic

 

[Tennis Robot]

Dude this guy just triple posted twice lol.

 

[TheVillain]

Dude this guy just triple posted twice lol.

that happens

It happens to me at least

 

[noisemagician]

Dude this guy just triple posted twice lol.

Ahahah I am new to forums, I rarely comment

 

[Bronze]

Are you serious?

Mental illness are often genetic with some environmental influences.

No, it's not genetic. It's an external force. For example: Criminals or may I say sociopath, have scientifically proven to have mental disorder. And you often hear that they self-proclaim to have violent childhood. As you said, it's an environmental influence, thus debunking your fallacious claim of having to do with genetics.

Now, back to what I originally said: those who committed suicide had external forces to cause this act - it may have been bullying and what ever it is. Therefore, those people were too mentally weak to begin with.​

that happens

It happens to me at least

Source?​

 

[TheVillain]

No, it's not genetic. It's an external force. For example: Criminals or may I say sociopath, have scientifically proven to have mental disorder. And you often hear that they self-proclaim to have violent childhood. As you said, it's an environmental influence, thus debunking your fallacious claim of having to do with genetics.

Now, back to what I originally said: those who committed suicide had external forces to cause this act - it may have been bullying and what ever it is. Therefore, those people were too mentally weak to begin with.​

Source?​

Risk factors for mental illness include genetic inheritance, such as parents having depression, and repeating generational patterns. Correlations of mental disorders with drug use include cannabis, alcohol and caffeine.

Particular mental illnesses have particular risk factors, for instance including unequal parental treatment, adverse life events and drug use in depression, migration and discrimination, childhood trauma, bereavement or separation in families, and cannabis use in schizophrenia and psychosis, and parenting factors, child abuse, family history (e.g. of anxiety), and temperament and attitudes (e.g. pessimism) in anxiety. Many psychiatric disorders include problems with impulse and other emotional control.

 

[TheVillain]

No, it's not genetic. It's an external force. For example: Criminals or may I say sociopath, have scientifically proven to have mental disorder. And you often hear that they self-proclaim to have violent childhood. As you said, it's an environmental influence, thus debunking your fallacious claim of having to do with genetics.

Now, back to what I originally said: those who committed suicide had external forces to cause this act - it may have been bullying and what ever it is. Therefore, those people were too mentally weak to begin with.​

Source?​

I was saying double post happens.
What kind of source do you want

 

[Bronze]

Risk factors for mental illness include genetic inheritance, such as parents having depression, and repeating generational patterns.[3] Correlations of mental disorders with drug use include cannabis, alcohol and caffeine.

Particular mental illnesses have particular risk factors, for instance including unequal parental treatment, adverse life events and drug use in depression, migration and discrimination, childhood trauma, bereavement or separation in families, and cannabis use in schizophrenia and psychosis, and parenting factors, child abuse, family history (e.g. of anxiety), and temperament and attitudes (e.g. pessimism) in anxiety. Many psychiatric disorders include problems with impulse and other emotional control.

"Correlations of mental disorders with drug use include cannabis, alcohol and caffeine." Abusing on drugs (EXTERNAL FORCE) can cause mental disorder, which supports my point of being an outside cause, and not genetic. Parents who abuse this stuff are passed down to their kids. My point doesn't change. It's not a genetic cause, but an external cause.​

I was saying double post happens.
What kind of source do you want

Science source.​

 

[TheVillain]

"Correlations of mental disorders with drug use include cannabis, alcohol and caffeine." Abusing on drugs (EXTERNAL FORCE) can cause mental disorder, which supports my point of being an outside cause, and not genetic. Parents who abuse this stuff are passed down to their kids. My point doesn't change. It's not a genetic cause, but an external cause.​

Science source.​

I just said some factors are genetic some are developed and I posted science facts to prove my opinion
You are just saying that mental disorders are only developed

 

[Tennis Robot]

Its obvious youre only viewing things from your perspective and not anybody elses.

What about those with cancer who have been confirmed to die because of it as some point?

What about the kids who are starving everyday and what about the the child soldiers who are forced to fight and kill?

These are not problems that can be simply worked away, these are problems that no matter how hard they try, they will persist, they will continue and of you can honestly tell me that if you was in their shoes you would say "I'll get over it, it's just life.", that's pretty messed up.

Do you think that everyone with cancer should kill themselves? Or that the impoverished should give up on life? I don't think you have ever known many people with life-threatening diseases.

 

[Bronze]

I just said some factors are genetic some are developed and I posted science facts to prove my opinion
You are just saying that mental disorders are only developed

The mental disorder is first developed, then passed down genetically. Even your "science facts" prove my point. And also, this is for those who committed suicide, who we don't know whether they genetically inherited or developed it.​