I dont think Hawkeye is the "True" #1 Swordsmen....

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i just saying Shanks uses a sword and i think he is stonger than Hawkeye so technically shanks is the number 1 swordsman
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Thats like saying Trunks from DBZ is a better swordsman just because he has more strength. Shanks is extremely powerful with Haki and is obviously powerful if he can rival Mihawk. But there is a difference between being powerful and having a sword, and having powerful swordsmanship skills. I'm sure Shanks doesn't have a move titled "The strongest slash in the world". And titles in OP are never flawed. (Ok besides Sogeking saying he was the strongest man in the East blue) Plus we've yet to see either Mihawk or Shanks actually go all out in battle. Oda wouldn't give him a title like that if he wasn't the strongest.
 
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This isn't Bleach.

"Who said the Espada range from 1 - 10?"

If Mihawk is stated to be the #1 Swordsman then it stays that way.
..and Yonko's were said to be four strongest pirates in the world while we have pirates like Mihawk, Doflamingo and Rayleigh.

Whitebeard was called strongest but even that might not be true. Dragon never actually claimed this title nor do I think that WG or the world itself has any clue of his true power. There's also Gorosei. Well, he certainly was the strongest PIRATE in the world.

These are just titles given out by World Government or the people around the world, they aren't actual facts. These titles aren't claimed in championships, they are given based on hype and feats. Yonko's, Whitebeard and Mihawk are all holding their titles of being best and the fact that they were holding these titles for so many years proves that it's true but because they are just titles it doesn't sign out the possibility that there might exist someone stronger than them.

Mihawk might be the strongest active swordsman but there is one who is unknown to most of the world and certainly isn't active. Yes, I am talking about the Gandhi swordsman Gorosei.

It's not a coincidence that there are 5 men at the top of the world(meaning they could potentialy be the strongest in series) and one of them suprisingly is a swordsman? It's a small foreshadow for a 5 vs 5 battle finale between strongest Straw Hats and Gorosei. Of course Zoro is going to take on the Gandhi guy.

i just saying Shanks uses a sword and i think he is stonger than Hawkeye so technically shanks is the number 1 swordsman
imo lol
They are both swordsman, they both fought each other frequently (for the title I presume). When Shanks lost his hand, Mihawk didn't consider him a worthy opponent.

Shanks might be stronger overall because he looks like a guy who has his own unique fighting style besides swordsmanship (+CoC) but Mihawk is definetly the strongest swordsman out of the two.
 
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..and Yonko's were said to be four strongest pirates in the world while we have pirates like Mihawk, Doflamingo and Rayleigh.

Whitebeard was called strongest but even that might not be true. Dragon never actually claimed this title nor do I think that WG or the world itself has any clue of his true power. There's also Gorosei. Well, he certainly was the strongest PIRATE in the world.
What? The Yonkous are the 4 most influential pirate captains in the New World. There aren't any people that say they're the strongest, it was just WB himself who was considered that. They are strong because they have influence and the strength to back it up. Mihawk may be as strong as Shanks individual-wise, but I'm sure as heck he isn't soloing his crew.

You're saying WB might not be the strongest? He was stated to be, and even in his IV-drip glory he was feared by the Admirals. Age just proved to be too much for him, but he still had the title. Dragon never claimed the title since he had no reason to. The Gorosei is just hype until proven.

Also, the "Yonkou isn't a power level argument" works pretty well here.

EDIT: Just like statements like what , the Gorousei and Dragon are just hype unless proven otherwise that they have made an individual feat ... unless it turns out like Fisher Tiger.
 
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Side note : World Nobles are ****ed up even beyond pirate standarts. I know they are descendants of the creators of WG but they are worse than any criminals or the lowest of scum. Shouldn't some decent marines like Garp or Sengoku already dealt with them? But, no, they put their job and names to shame by closing eyes on the doings of these evil bastards. There has to be a reason why they do that and it's not just following the code because they are already breaking it by not doing anything about this matter.

Akainu, Onigumo, Doberman where is your absolute justice? Where is your belief that if a man doesn't live by the law he is not worthy of living. Eh? Effin hypocrites ^^
 
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..and Yonko's were said to be four strongest pirates in the world while we have pirates like Mihawk, Doflamingo and Rayleigh.

Whitebeard was called strongest but even that might not be true. Dragon never actually claimed this title nor do I think that WG or the world itself has any clue of his true power. There's also Gorosei. Well, he certainly was the strongest PIRATE in the world.

These are just titles given out by World Government or the people around the world, they aren't actual facts. These titles aren't claimed in championships, they are given based on hype and feats. Yonko's, Whitebeard and Mihawk are all holding their titles of being best and the fact that they were holding these titles for so many years proves that it's true but because they are just titles it doesn't sign out the possibility that there might exist someone stronger than them.

Mihawk might be the strongest active swordsman but there is one who is unknown to most of the world and certainly isn't active. Yes, I am talking about the Gandhi swordsman Gorosei.

It's not a coincidence that there are 5 men at the top of the world(meaning they could potentialy be the strongest in series) and one of them suprisingly is a swordsman? It's a small foreshadow for a 5 vs 5 battle finale between strongest Straw Hats and Gorosei. Of course Zoro is going to take on the Gandhi guy.
OMG!! I LUV YOU!!

The only freakin person to actually read and understand what i was trying to say, instead having a Shanks vs. Mihawk argument....

I hardly even consider Shanks as a swordsmen anyways he just turned out to be very strong with a sword.

Next people will call Whitebeard the "Greatest Spearsman" just cause he happens to be handy with a spear xd
 
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i highly doubt it, mihawk has been praised as the strongest swordsmen from the get go i don't think its been a bluff. plus as someone mentioned prior to the 2yr gap vista was the only one that could even stand up to mihawk, if there was someone stronger wouldn't whitebeard have recruited him since WB ruled the new world.
and yes shanks is stronger than mihawk but mihawk is a better swordsman as recognized by all in OP
 

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i highly doubt it, mihawk has been praised as the strongest swordsmen from the get go i don't think its been a bluff. plus as someone mentioned prior to the 2yr gap vista was the only one that could even stand up to mihawk, if there was someone stronger wouldn't whitebeard have recruited him since WB ruled the new world.
and yes shanks is stronger than mihawk but mihawk is a better swordsman as recognized by all in OP
You high? Im pretty sure Whitebeard didnt rule the new world, thats almost a literal transalation to Pirate King......WhiteBeard was no Pirate King :|

Correction he ruled part of the new world......The rest are owned by the other three Yonkou and the Word Gov't right now
 

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You high? Im pretty sure Whitebeard didnt rule the new world, thats almost a literal transalation to Pirate King......WhiteBeard was no Pirate King :|

Correction he ruled part of the new world......The rest are owned by the other three Yonkou and the Word Gov't right now
^^ this xd, than Hell Froze over......
'ruled' i guess is a bad choice of word,
the most powerful one their i suppose with his crew and 50 odd allies. im sure if there was some1 stronger than mihawk either him of the WG would hav recruited them
 

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Sure but being the absolute power in the world government must meen something. It would be just a hype if they would be simple politicians but we know that's not the case. They are all huge, muscular and with scars which is a clear sign of them being more than just politicians.

Also, it's too big of coincidence that potentialy strongest people in the world have a swordsman among them. Why? Because if Straw Hats are going to fight them (that has to be at the final war), Zoro obviosly would have to fight one of them. And look, there's a swordsman. Coincidence? Who knows...
Them being huge with muscles and scars could just imply that they used to fight in their younger days while they´re currently old but are not that very strong compared to the admirals and such.

They sure know how to fight but they´re not competing with these other characters we know so well like mihawk,shanks,akainu,blackbeard and others.
 

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Them being huge with muscles and scars could just imply that they used to fight in their younger days while they´re currently old but are not that very strong compared to the admirals and such.

They sure know how to fight but they´re not competing with these other characters we know so well like mihawk,shanks,akainu,blackbeard and others.
We won't find out how strong they are until we actually see them fight.
 

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Them being huge with muscles and scars could just imply that they used to fight in their younger days while they´re currently old but are not that very strong compared to the admirals and such.

They sure know how to fight but they´re not competing with these other characters we know so well like mihawk,shanks,akainu,blackbeard and others.
Dont underestimate them.....they look about the same age as Whitebeard and we all know he was no "Push Over" even with that old age and Pawned the Word Gov't as a whole including Admirals U_U
 

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This isn't Bleach.

"Who said the Espada range from 1 - 10?"

If Mihawk is stated to be the #1 Swordsman then it stays that way.
stays until proven otherwise. and it could always be proven otherwise but i agree..

shanks is stronger than Hawkeye yeah and shanks uses a sword
good point..

Um are you dumb, shanks is a yonko, hes stronger than mihawk
good point

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someone brought up Ghandi and him having a sword and all. i think this was a great point since he is on the top of everyone. that alone just about proves he may be the actualy best swordsman.
 

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i dont like ppl saying shanks is better cuz he is a yonko alot of shanks being a yanko has to do with the fact he has a strong crew behind him he didnt become a yonko on his own im sur mihawk would be up there to if he had a powerful crew
 

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i dont like ppl saying shanks is better cuz he is a yonko alot of shanks being a yanko has to do with the fact he has a strong crew behind him he didnt become a yonko on his own im sur mihawk would be up there to if he had a powerful crew
You have a good point. Mihawk used to be a pirate so of course he had a crew at some point.

But i think just based on the 2 interactions between Mihawk and Shanks suggests Shanks is stronger.
 

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No, .
I do actually agree with you that they are the four most influental pirates but majority of people believe they are the strongest due to what Garp said and all the hype around them.

Oh, and you misunderstood the point. I wasn't talking about Mihawk soloing RH pirates I said that "Yonko being the 4 strongest pirates" is a misbelief because there are pirates like Rayleigh, Mihawk and Dofla who could all possibly be as strong as yonko's (individually of course), except for Whitebeard for obvious reasons.
Being the most powerful =/= being the strongest. I believe in OPverse being the strongest means individual strength, while being the most powerful includes influence, charisma, size of crew, etc. I mean, even Garp says in the page you just linked:

"He is now one of the four most powerful pirates alongside the Whitebeard."

Then he adds this line:

"Their power is so influential that should these Three Powers become unbalanced, the peace of the world would crumble."

If this is Binktopia's scan and Cnet's translation, then it should prove me correct. There is nothing in those sentences that suggest the Yonkou are at the top of being the strongest individually.

Erm, real world comparison? Obama and Brock Lesnar. Brock is obviously stronger than Obama, yet Obama is more powerful than Brock due to his influence and position. Not the perfect allusion but you get the point.

Sure but being the absolute power in the world government must meen something. It would be just a hype if they would be simple politicians but we know that's not the case. They are all huge, muscular and with scars which is a clear sign of them being more than just politicians.

Also, it's too big of coincidence that potentialy strongest people in the world have a swordsman among them. Why? Because if Straw Hats are going to fight them (that has to be at the final war), Zoro obviosly would have to fight one of them. And look, there's a swordsman. Coincidence? Who knows..
Not really the strongest people, maybe the "Final Bosses" of the series. Remember Bonney? Remember Akainu saying he got the chills when she escaped? Yeah that.

Oh, and Yonko's like Big Mam and Kaidou aren't just hype? "Unless proven otherwise"

Dragon is the most dangerous/wanted man in the world. Should I say anything more?

Gorosei stand at the top of the world. That's not hype. There must be a reason why a man of Akainu's calibre get's or Kizaru get's worried when it comes to dealing with World Government and World Nobles.
Yonkous have proven combat abilities since it's verified through Whitebeard. Having the same position, it's a given they're pretty strong too.

Dragon is different. There's not one feat attributed to him, and it's also a possibility that being the World's Dangerous Man is virtue of being the leader of a very big organization. If they had the power to decimate countries into submission, what more Marineford which is smaller? I'd think they lack something, something called fighting power. So until I see Dragon transforming into a dragon (Mystical Zoan Ryu Ryu no Mi?) I hold out. Look where Fisher Tiger ended up when he was revealed.

I'd get chills too if I faced the President of my country.
 

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This isn't Bleach.

"Who said the Espada range from 1 - 10?"

If Mihawk is stated to be the #1 Swordsman then it stays that way.
way to go boa sama <3 .By the way I was wondering who will Zoro fight first Hawkeye or shirui of the rain .shiriu was believed to be on par with magellen .Any idea where does he stand ?

By the way I think Zoro considers Mihawk to be the strongest because of his sword style .Hawkeye doesn't seem to use any devil fruit or Haki to me where as we all know shanks is known to be one of the best Haki users .
 
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