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Stupid fanboy. Superman cant lose to somebody thats dead

Lmao you getting mad I see lol, all of this over a horribly made character get real dude. And like I said Buus chocolate beam>superman. Lord forbids if he absorbs him then it's really going to be SUPER Buu
 

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i dont understand how you can get more OP than planet destroying
quite easily. universe or dimension creating, non coporeal powers, illusions, control over time, control over molecules, control over reality

don't see Super Man with instant transmission or blowing up planets.
superman has travelled thousands of years through time, and almost destroyed the universe because he flew too fast and had to be stopped by presence. and superman doesnt destroy planets for the same reason goku doesnt

instant transmission > flash/supermans speed
IT is just teleporting. plenty of people can do that, and since its only Lightspeed, superman can already do that too by traveling through time. flash is almost omnipresent with his speed

also goku uses IT and gets kryptonite
cosmic armour supes and superman prime arent affected


You do know goku can move anywhere around the universe in an instant right
superman travelled across the universe in seconds by flying (not teleporting, flying). gokus IT relies on his reaction time to an attack, concentration and ability to sense out another ki energy to teleport TO. only the kaioshin has no limitations on his IT

Also, I'm pretty sure he can tank Flash's weak hits,
flash manipulates mass, and thus can punch with the force of a sun

all goku needs is kryptonite to beat superman
he doesnt know superman is a kryptonian and he doesnt know if it will work on the strongest version of supes,which is cosmic armour

Funny how you can't even finish your sentence because you know that he's restricted to the ground. Just that one restriction would end him in a fight against one of the DBZ characters. And
flash has travelled across dimensions and galaxies
The flash is terrible if superman can beat u with ur own god giving power then ur useless..
the flash is a top tier in DC universe, hes almost omnipresent, massively FTL and can become intangible

Pre crisis superman is a different story but i still think ssj4 goku can handle him
no, he cant

Goku senses where he is, uses instant transmission, grabs him, and it's over.
no dc charatcer has Ki. if he uses IT and then finishes teleporting, his speed would go right back to normal and thus his grab would get avoided. why would it be over? many dc characters manipulate dimensions

So you're whole point is Goku can't catch Flash. Flash can't hurt Goku though
um yes he can. punching with the force of a star means he would

flash can't fly
he already has travelled through entire dimensions as shown in the scans

all goku has to do is stay up in the air, and blow up the planet
so he has to murder millions of innocent people to win a fight? also he will die too if that happens
I guess having super-stregth, speed, and fortitude aren't enough to harm superman?
no. not really. because superman has massive advantages in all those areas

Goku could just block out the sun just like Vegeta did making Superman very weak
pre crisis superman once flew into a galaxy full of red suns and wasnt terribly weakened. being without solar energy only weakened pre crisis a bit. superman prime and superman with cosmic armour have no aversion to being without a sun since they have nothing that weakens them. nothing at all.

Miniscule explosion? So an explosion to destroy the earth is minuscule?
when cosmic armour supes took 10 billion supernovas, yeah

Any form of Buu defeats Superman. how? Turns him into any snack he wants n then superman dies.
because the candy beam transcends time and space? superman just heads to 600 thousand years ago, then flies right back to a point where the candy beam had just hit something else

If superman gets hit with Buus beam
keyword: if. remember that word

You're delusional.
many superman versions have continued to fight even when bathed in red sunlight
flash doesn't even compare to goku in terms of toughness and durability
intangibilty is the ultimate form of durability since nothing can hit you
Funny they make money off of these coming up with villains to challenge those like Flash and Superman, but here you are saying no one of Goku's level, which is incredibly high, could take on Superman, I don't see superman or flash keeping up with the man who can transport instantly from planet to planet and blow up planets at will though
except they can do the same exact thing. superman went from one end of his universe to another in a few seconds and at one point moved so fast he almost destroyed the dimensional barriers keeping the universe from being destroyed. as for being able to destroy planets, superman blew away a sun (yes literally took a breath and blew at it, and it still moved back), sneezed away multiple planets instantly, and casually moves planets back into orbit. he played baseball with a moon. his strongest incarnation lifted up a multiverse no diff

Sorry Goku is on a whole different level, he is at the top of anime characters,
no he isnt. in fact hes a tiny insect next to beings like haruka kaminogi, Lord of nightmares/sea of chaos, kami tenchi, counnter actor, the choushin, makoda kaname, noein, and ruby eye. all of which could destory a universe

Superman is the top of comicbook level,
even cosmic armour supes cant defeat one above all, presence and galactus

ok this doesnt even make sense how is superman pull planets on that small chain that seem to be going through the planets cores
its fiction. doesnt have ot make sense

Lemme know when Superman can destroy planets.
pre crisis superman shrugged it off when a supernova exploded in his face. cosmic armour superman was hit by the power of TEN BILLION stars and he still kept coming. so a planet buster would be like a tiny fleabite

Lemme know when flash can instantly transmit and not run really fast
thats basically his main power. he moves so fast hes effectively everywhere at once (omnipresent) and can move so fast he changes his molecules to become intangible. flash would kill goku before he even raises his fingers

All I would need to destroy every character in DC is Goku, Vegeta, Broly, Teen Gohan, & Kid Buu. Each and every one of them can destroy earth.
anti monitor, a DC character was casually absorbing and destroying countless universes including the universe that superman prime is from. cosmic armour supes lifted up the multiverse. superman prime tanked the destruction of a universe. no db character possesses strength on this level. and no one in db posssesses kryptonite or a way to get superman to a red sun.
the presence is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. completely and utterly unbeatable and has absolutely no limitations to him


Dbz > DC

DC = fight of the city
Dbz = fight of the universe
DC's crisis on infinite earths was exactly that.a war spannign countless universes. DC has an omnipotent being who created everything (presence)

the chain would obviously just rip apart. He
not if its made of a sufficiently tough material. you dont know what might exist in DC universe

if he blows up the planet he can just instant trammission off to another planet or king kais world
and yet coudl not when kid boo did this. he needed kaioshins aid because he couldnt concentrate

Rofl that pic is ridiculous. Anyway Dbz>Dc all day.
call me when dbz has someone ripping apart space and time by flying too fast, a villain eating universes and an omnipotent god ruling it

Funny how you can only use Superman. What about all the other character? It seems that they're just useless.
even cosmic armour superman whos multiversal, is outmatched by quite a few dc characters

Goku: I can beat you in a second!
Superman: *Laughs hysterically*...
Goku: *Uses Shunkan Idou/IT and gets Kryptonite*
pre crisis superman is massively FTL. he would be at goku's location before goku is. furthermore goku has no idea kryptonite even exists or that it wont work on some stronger superman incarnations like superman prime

He's flying you idiot. He's not doing it instantly. He had to build up speed for it to happen. IT doesn't need to be built up. Try again.
yes it does. it requires prep, goku putting his fingers to his head, goku finding a ki source to move to, goku concentrating on it

If his SSJ Kamehameha is greater than Cooler's Super Nova (which can destroy a planet) I'm pretty sure a 10x Kamehameha wave in SSJ4 will do much greater damage.
not enough since the kamehameha didnt affect the sun

Someone explain to me how Flash beats Goku.
hits him with infinite mass, or just dodges everythign till goku falls down dead of exhaustion

Superman is not god..superman gets weak if u put a green glowing rock in his face
most versions of the godlike superman are not affected by it at all. superboy prime has no weaknesss and laughed when someone tried to use magic on him (a weakness of the weaker supes)
he's weak against magic and he gets all his strength form the sun no he's no god
again most supermans dont even get hurt by magic or the lack of suns. cosmic armour supes as his title suggests, gets his power from something else, and superman prime cant be affected by anything
Name: Superman Prime/Kal-El/Clark Kent
Origin: DC Comics
Gender: Male
Classification: Alien (kryptonian)
Age: Over 85,000 years old
Powers and Abilities: Super strength, speed, flight, durability, heat vision, ice breath, X-ray vision, invulnerability, able to survive in space and other hostile environments, is immune to Kryptonite, magic, and red sunlight/radiation, matter manipulation, reality warping, cosmic senses, teleportation, limited control of magnetism, telepathy, can withstand high temperatures, time manipulation, he has used magic before and is married to a dimensional imp, so he might have learned a few things from her.
Weaknesses: Nothing notable
Destructive Capacity: Unknown, possibly Universe level+ (was implied to be able to stop The Atom's universe from collapsing)
Range: Can attack and cause effects across the universe
Speed: Massively FTL
Durability: Unknown, possibly Universal
Strength: Class 100+ (via powerscaling)
Stamina: Likely limitless
Standard Equipment: Possesses the last known Green Lantern ring of his timeline
Intelligence: Is sole survivor of a cataclysm, acquired vast abilities and skills from across the universe, good deductive and leadership skills, is smarter then Brainiac 5 (Who constitutes a "Twelfth Level" intelligence), and vast knowledge on alien species and the universe in general.
this supes and cosmic armour supes are gods

So he needs to kill babies to win matches?
so goku has to murder millions of babies and children to win?

How about SSJ4 Gogeta's super spirit bomb
vegetas influence and ssj4's tendecy to make a saiyan more brutal prevents gogeta using genkidama. know your own fandom

Goku can ask the billionaire tyrant lex Luther to sell him kyptonite..and lex Luther almost killed superman like how many times and he's human...lmfao
cosmic armour superman is basically god and was created to fight anti monitor, a guy who was eating universes
Goku survived a supernova explosion that destoryed a solar system
superboy prime tanked a universe getting destroyed and cosmic armour superman took the power of 10 billion supernovas

Funeral of Superman
which version was that?

so one on one at nite with a fu moon since superman gets his powers from the sun...
pre crisis superman flew into a galaxy of red suns and was still performing godlike feats

we can stop using Goku and use any other major character unlike you DC fanboys who only use Superman.
DC characters who are multiversal/universal are dime a dozen. supermans not even the strongest. anti monitor, presence, spectre etc all solo dbz
sh can't beat anyone who can fly and transport instantly which is 90% of the warriors in DBZ
he could actually. instantly by punching them at the speed of millions of times FTL. simple physics. a punch is stronger if its faster

Kira can lol
of all the gods you could choose yuo picked a random human who needs to know his targets name? if he writes down goku nothing will happen
I've never read a DC comic where Superman has transported to an area instantaneously
he manipulates time and space itself. he once travelled thousands of years inot the past to ancient egypt in a milisecond

superman just has too many stupid weaknesses
this guy has no weaknesses

Flash's punches wouldn't do a damn thing.
neither would goku's
 

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i dont understand how you can get more OP than planet destroying

Batamn beat Superman when Superman did not want to fight + Batman had A LOT of prep to beat him. Batman owns ANYONE with prep. He is a prep God. Saying Batman beat Superman isn't saying much. It is like saying Gohan beat Cell. They are even when given the right plot and tools.

Krillin solos, I can tell this is a troll. DC has people that could destroy everyone in the DBZ universe with a thought(litterly).

Planet destroying < Small Star(our sun) < mMedium Star < Solar System(ours) < Large
Sstar < Solar Interstellar Neighborhood < Galaxy < Local Galactic Group < Virgo Supercluster < Local Supercluster < Universe < Multiverse

There are things bigger then the Earth and planets.

I don't see Super Man with instant transmission or blowing up planets. Goku is actually really fast as well. So fast most humans can't see him fight. Flash just has speed with him.

So because you don't see Superman or the Flash with instant transmission and have seen them blow up planets, they are weaker. There is a word for this. Ignorance. So what if Goku has instant transmission. He can put his finger on his head, locate someones energy, then teleport to it. How is that going to beat Superman or the Flash. He still has to charge up an attack to hurt them, if he can touch them. Not to mention Pre Crisis Superman has blown up multiple planets in one attack. The Flash is way too fast to hit with any energy attack. Anything Goku can do, he won't hit him. Even if he uses Instant Transmission, Goku would still have to come out of it, then attack. Way too much time for Flash to move.

Also, proof humans can't see Goku when he is flying. A manga scan would be nice.

Flash can destroy Goku by moving through him and make Goku's molecules blow up inside of him. Also Flash can use Infinite mass Punch. Look it up. It is stronger then anything Goku can dish out.

instant transmission > flash/supermans speed :|

also goku uses IT and gets kryptonite :|

Ok, yes it is faster then Superman. Same speed as The Flash considering He has a limited range of Omnipresence.

Also, how does Goku have knowledge of Superman's weakness. Also, if he did, why would Goku want to fight Superman when he is weaker. Goku wants a good fight. He isn't about winning. This is proven when he fought Kid Buu. he didn't care if everyone died.

Also, Goku needs an energy source of someone living to use IT. He can't use it to go find the location of some kryptonite and grab it. That statement just shows you know nothing about DBZ.

You do know goku can move anywhere around the universe in an instant right? Hence instant transmission.

Wrong. He can only move where they is a life source to lock on to. Also, this range is limited. He was not able to go to New Namek with IT. They had to go using the Supreme Kai's ability.

all goku needs is kryptonite to beat superman

How does Goku have knowledge of Superman's weakness. Also, if he did, why would Goku want to fight Superman when he is weaker. Goku wants a good fight. He isn't about winning. This is proven when he fought Kid Buu. he didn't care if everyone died. (copy and paste from my previous response ftw)

Funny they make money off of these coming up with villains to challenge those like Flash and Superman, but here you are saying no one of Goku's level, which is incredibly high, could take on Superman, I don't see superman or flash keeping up with the man who can transport instantly from planet to planet and blow up planets at will though. Sorry Goku is on a whole different level, he is at the top of anime characters, and although Superman is the top of comicbook level, because I don't watch cartoons about him, he is not quite there yet.

I'm guessing you are talking about Kid Buu because Goku would die after blowing up the first planet due to lack of oxygen. If you are, that was anime filler. After he blew up the Earth, Kid Buu went straight to the supreme kai's planet. The regular Superman isn't even close to the top tier in DC. The Spectre(The Presence right hand man) had a scuffle with Pre Crisis Superman and he couldn't even hit Spectre. Buu can't compete with people of that power from DC. There are a few in the DC comics that are just as strong as well. DC >>>>DBZ easy.

DBZ is not at the top of the anime list. Probably to your knowledge they are, but there are at least 20 animes that have atleast 2 or more people from them that can beat anyone in DBZ, and beat the DBZverse all at once. Lord of Nightmares and Kami Tenchi are just 2 of those people.

Lemme know when Superman can destroy planets. Lemme know when flash can instantly transmit and not run really fast. Lemme know when batman can transform and increase his strength 10-fold. All I would need to destroy every character in DC is Goku, Vegeta, Broly, Teen Gohan, & Kid Buu. Each and every one of them can destroy earth.

Your post tells me how much you know about them. They both have done what you said. Superman has blown up multiple planets and stars. Flash is omnipresence(he is everyone all at once) Omnipresence >>>>>>>> IT

Also, Batman transforms into Batgod. He is easy 10 fold stronger then what he normally is.

love that last line. You have no clue how strong some of the people in DC are, villians and Gods. The Presence is literally a God. A mere thought and he erases everyone from DBZ out of existence.

Dbz > DC

DC = fight of the city
Dbz = fight of the universe

The Presence >= anyone from any anime.

Dc on multiple occasions had fights where many universes were about to be destroyed and weren't. If you knew anything about DC you would know your statement is dumb.

if he blows up the planet he can just instant trammission off to another planet or king kais world

So he runs from the fight to stay alive. Some hero he is. Hopefully he can find an energy source while he's holding his breath before either Flash or Superman kill him (cause both can breath in space).

Rofl that pic is ridiculous. Anyway Dbz>Dc all day.

How is it ridiculous. Show me something DBZ has done to match it. Then I'll show you multiple DC characters doing stuff way more powerful. DC > DBZ.

Funny how you can only use Superman. What about all the other character? It seems that they're just useless. And I don't remember seeing Superman destroy a planet but if you have then please let me know.

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Oh look. Multiple planets being blown up from one attack. Got a scan of DBZ doing something that strong? There isn't since I have read the Dragon Ball manga at least 2 times.

characters stronger then Superman of Flash?

Darkseid
Doomsday
Anti Monitor
Spectre
The Presence

There's 5. All will destroy the DBZ verse all at once.

He's flying you idiot. He's not doing it instantly. He had to build up speed for it to happen. IT doesn't need to be built up. Try again.

Superman Almost destroed the Universe during that chapter. The Spectre had to stop him. He basically almost reached DC's heaven. If he went any further, the universe would have collapsed. Also, prove he had to build up speed. There are many times Superman is moving faster than light by just reaction speeds.

If his SSJ Kamehameha is greater than Cooler's Super Nova (which can destroy a planet) I'm pretty sure a 10x Kamehameha wave in SSJ4 will do much greater damage.

Got a clip of this?(since there are no manga scans since GT is non canon) Also, just because an attack is named after a supernova, it doesn't mean it is an actual supernova. I also love how you are comparing another non canon character. Is this the only way for DBZ to get close to matching weak characters from DC?

So he needs to kill babies to win matches? What kind of hero would he be then?

That is just one way he could win. He wouldn't have to go back to when he is a baby. He could fight him when Goku was a teenager, like when he fought Piccolo at the tournament. He could also just beat Goku in his prime.

dude please stop there is no counter for planet destruction

Planet destroying < Small Star(our sun) < mMedium Star < Solar System(ours) < Large
Sstar < Solar Interstellar Neighborhood < Galaxy < Local Galactic Group < Virgo Supercluster < Local Supercluster < Universe < Multiverse

Any of those attacks are stronger then What Goku or anyone in DBZ can do.

I say Karin blitzes both of them.....

Love the troll response. Normally what happens when you know you can't win a debate.

Someone explain to me how Flash beats Goku.

I can do this. Goku cannot hit the Flash. Nothing he can do will hit him. Even if Goku uses IT, he still needs to come out of it to use an attack. The Flash has faster than light reaction speed. As soon as Goku comes out of IT, the Flash moves.

Also, The Flash can move through Goku's body basically destroying him from within. The infinite mass punch can also beat Goku.

This whole thread is like comparing Naruto with Spongebob. Completely different logic.

Spongebob beats Narutoverse with Toon force. He erases them all away with his magic pencil. Not to mention Spongebob is immune to damage because he is a sponge and has regeneration.

Goku can ask the billionaire tyrant lex Luther to sell him kyptonite..and lex Luther almost killed superman like how many times and he's human...lmfao

Goku wouldn't do that. Goku would want a good fight. Also, how did Goku find out Superman's weakness.

Lex Luther did beat him with knowledge prep. If you know someone's weakness, a fight can become much easier. Just look at Naruto vs Pain and Shikimaru vs Hidan. Without knowledge and prep, those 2 fights would have been a lot worse.

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Funeral of Superman

end of discussion

Explain to me how this is the end of the discussion. Superan didn't even die. He hasn't ever died. He just goes into healing comas and recoveres.

Ok one on one full moon lit nite since superman gets his power from the sun and superman better hope goku ki isn't infused with magic lmao...superman just has too many weaknesses ..superman doesn't even know who batman is and suprman has X-ray vision smh....

Magic
kyptonite
red sun radiation
Three weaknesses. So many right? They are there to make his fights interesting. No one would read a one sided fight. Only when there is a chance that the hero may lose, the fight become good.

Superman and Batman were on the Justice League. Of course they know each other.

Also, what does x-ray vision have to do with anything?

Who else? And flash can't beat anyone who can fly and transport instantly, which is 90% of the warriors in DBZ

Three main characters know Instant Transmission: Goku, Perfect Cell(who copied it from Goku), and Kid Buu(who also copied it from Goku). Wow, that really is 90% of the characters in DBZ. With that statement you have lost your credibility of a poster. Oh wait, you meant fly. Well The Flash can move in the Air as well. He can open up worm holes in the air and use them to move. Since he move basically instantly, he can hit Goku at any point in the air with an infinite mass punch and win.

Damn, I give up. Goku is cooler than Super Man for sure though.

I agree. Superman is a lame overpowered character. Almost all anime characters are better than comic characters.

Flash's punches wouldn't do a damn thing.

Infinite Mass Punch. Go look it up.

Goku would punch the **** out of your reality and time-bending Superman, and turn him into a reality and time-bending guy, wearing underwear over his clothes.

Oh wait...

Superman Prime Reality bends Goku out of existence with a mere thought. GG Goku. Just accept Superman is stronger. Just like Naruto is stronger than Saskue.

Funny how you can't even finish your sentence because you know that he's restricted to the ground. Just that one restriction would end him in a fight against one of the DBZ characters. And there have been alot of characters that have wrecked Superman, but he does come back to save the day and Goku has died several times but he still comes back to save the day. Hell even Batman would lose to superman because of the restrictions he has.

So now your are back peddling. Good job. Flash can own him in the air which I explained earlier.

I disagree with you because Batman can only beat Superman if Superman was restricted to the ground and had none of his long-range powers. Batman is smart but he's not dumb enough to get into the ring with Superman.

Batman can beat ANYONE with prep. He WILL find your weakness and he WILL take advantage of it. If you don't let Batman have prep, hes nothing. Most HST characters could beat him.

Goku senses where he is, uses instant transmission, grabs him, and it's over.

Explain how it is over. Explain how grabbing him puts him in a position where he would lose. Explain how he could even grab him with FTL reaction speeds.

So you're whole point is Goku can't catch Flash. Flash can't hurt Goku though. So what happens? Thought you said Flash wins bro

Goku runs out of energy before Flash does. If Goku goes SSJ3 he basically would drain all of his energy in a couple mins (shown when he fought with Kid Buu). Also, the Flash can catch Goku in the air or wherever. He can open up worm holes and use those to move in the air and can hit Goku before he could put his finger on his head to concentrate and use IT.

No, not the whole universe, the instant transmission allows u to move at the speed of light and places in the univers are million light years away which means even instant transmission is gonna tAke time, it won't be instant though

OT: flash can't fly goku, all goku has to do is stay up in the air, and blow up the planet, even a small ki blast blows flash to oblivion, flash doesn't even compare to goku in terms of toughness and durability

Instant transmission IS instant. It is teleporting. IT is limited in the fact that you need an living energy source to lock onto and they have to be within Goku's sensing range. Goku's sensing range is not limitless and it is not the range of the universe. Just thought i'd clear that up.

Flash can move in the air. Any attack Goku does will miss sense the Flash can make energy pass through him because he moves so fast. Goku literally has no way to hit him.

Your beloved Supes. would be worthless without the sun; your point?

Not every version of Superman. Not to mention Goku would be dead without the sun as well. Your point?

This is a dumb thread created by a clueless and pathetic idiot that had no clue and dosen't understand DBZ true power. End of story.

Hi.

Watch me end this ish. Any form of Buu defeats Superman. how? Turns him into any snack he wants n then superman dies.

You can't use a weaker from of matter minipulation on a being that is shown to resist stronger forms of an attack. Superman Prime is a God and has shown to do so. Also, good luck trying to hit Superman with that attack or any person stronger than Superman in DC. DC characters are way overpowered.

The only difference is the fact that I did not make a thread discussing something that's been discussed for more times than anyone can remember, hoping to get serious answers while fanboying over my favorite Superhero/character.

What's wrong with trying to show peoples opinions and knowledge is wrong.

We can say he but if its not in the comics then no. He can sneeze all he wants Buu regenerates. Just face it its over. Beam turns him into a cookie, maybe a chocolate bar. We can all have a piece

Buu cannot regenerate from an attack that is stronger then what he was shown to die from. The Spirit bomb Goku did didn't even destroy the planet they were on. Superman's sneeze destroyed multiple planets. See which is stronger.



So as my 500th post, respect what I have to say.

If you want to debate with me, bring facts or I will destroy you.

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DC Characters are stong but we can't assume that DBZ characters can't defeat them, regarless of their "rankings" as you so gently put!!!
 

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Lol at everyone calling DBZ fans fanboys. All I see from the Dc posters are "supermans is da best and cannot lose." From all these posts it seems like every Dc character is apparently invincible and can never lose to anyone. The comics must have a GREAT storyline.
 

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Lol at everyone calling DBZ fans fanboys. All I see from the Dc posters are "supermans is da best and cannot lose." From all these posts it seems like every Dc character is apparently invincible and can never lose to anyone. The comics must have a GREAT storyline.

So you think Dbz had a great storyline? Lol
 

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Batamn beat Superman when Superman did not want to fight + Batman had A LOT of prep to beat him. Batman owns ANYONE with prep. He is a prep God. Saying Batman beat Superman isn't saying much. It is like saying Gohan beat Cell. They are even when given the right plot and tools.

Krillin solos, I can tell this is a troll. DC has people that could destroy everyone in the DBZ universe with a thought(litterly).

Planet destroying < Small Star(our sun) < mMedium Star < Solar System(ours) < Large
Sstar < Solar Interstellar Neighborhood < Galaxy < Local Galactic Group < Virgo Supercluster < Local Supercluster < Universe < Multiverse

There are things bigger then the Earth and planets.



So because you don't see Superman or the Flash with instant transmission and have seen them blow up planets, they are weaker. There is a word for this. Ignorance. So what if Goku has instant transmission. He can put his finger on his head, locate someones energy, then teleport to it. How is that going to beat Superman or the Flash. He still has to charge up an attack to hurt them, if he can touch them. Not to mention Pre Crisis Superman has blown up multiple planets in one attack. The Flash is way too fast to hit with any energy attack. Anything Goku can do, he won't hit him. Even if he uses Instant Transmission, Goku would still have to come out of it, then attack. Way too much time for Flash to move.

Also, proof humans can't see Goku when he is flying. A manga scan would be nice.

Flash can destroy Goku by moving through him and make Goku's molecules blow up inside of him. Also Flash can use Infinite mass Punch. Look it up. It is stronger then anything Goku can dish out.



Ok, yes it is faster then Superman. Same speed as The Flash considering He has a limited range of Omnipresence.

Also, how does Goku have knowledge of Superman's weakness. Also, if he did, why would Goku want to fight Superman when he is weaker. Goku wants a good fight. He isn't about winning. This is proven when he fought Kid Buu. he didn't care if everyone died.

Also, Goku needs an energy source of someone living to use IT. He can't use it to go find the location of some kryptonite and grab it. That statement just shows you know nothing about DBZ.



Wrong. He can only move where they is a life source to lock on to. Also, this range is limited. He was not able to go to New Namek with IT. They had to go using the Supreme Kai's ability.



How does Goku have knowledge of Superman's weakness. Also, if he did, why would Goku want to fight Superman when he is weaker. Goku wants a good fight. He isn't about winning. This is proven when he fought Kid Buu. he didn't care if everyone died. (copy and paste from my previous response ftw)



I'm guessing you are talking about Kid Buu because Goku would die after blowing up the first planet due to lack of oxygen. If you are, that was anime filler. After he blew up the Earth, Kid Buu went straight to the supreme kai's planet. The regular Superman isn't even close to the top tier in DC. The Spectre(The Presence right hand man) had a scuffle with Pre Crisis Superman and he couldn't even hit Spectre. Buu can't compete with people of that power from DC. There are a few in the DC comics that are just as strong as well. DC >>>>DBZ easy.

DBZ is not at the top of the anime list. Probably to your knowledge they are, but there are at least 20 animes that have atleast 2 or more people from them that can beat anyone in DBZ, and beat the DBZverse all at once. Lord of Nightmares and Kami Tenchi are just 2 of those people.



Your post tells me how much you know about them. They both have done what you said. Superman has blown up multiple planets and stars. Flash is omnipresence(he is everyone all at once) Omnipresence >>>>>>>> IT

Also, Batman transforms into Batgod. He is easy 10 fold stronger then what he normally is.

love that last line. You have no clue how strong some of the people in DC are, villians and Gods. The Presence is literally a God. A mere thought and he erases everyone from DBZ out of existence.



The Presence >= anyone from any anime.

Dc on multiple occasions had fights where many universes were about to be destroyed and weren't. If you knew anything about DC you would know your statement is dumb.



So he runs from the fight to stay alive. Some hero he is. Hopefully he can find an energy source while he's holding his breath before either Flash or Superman kill him (cause both can breath in space).



How is it ridiculous. Show me something DBZ has done to match it. Then I'll show you multiple DC characters doing stuff way more powerful. DC > DBZ.



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Oh look. Multiple planets being blown up from one attack. Got a scan of DBZ doing something that strong? There isn't since I have read the Dragon Ball manga at least 2 times.

characters stronger then Superman of Flash?

Darkseid
Doomsday
Anti Monitor
Spectre
The Presence

There's 5. All will destroy the DBZ verse all at once.



Superman Almost destroed the Universe during that chapter. The Spectre had to stop him. He basically almost reached DC's heaven. If he went any further, the universe would have collapsed. Also, prove he had to build up speed. There are many times Superman is moving faster than light by just reaction speeds.



Got a clip of this?(since there are no manga scans since GT is non canon) Also, just because an attack is named after a supernova, it doesn't mean it is an actual supernova. I also love how you are comparing another non canon character. Is this the only way for DBZ to get close to matching weak characters from DC?



That is just one way he could win. He wouldn't have to go back to when he is a baby. He could fight him when Goku was a teenager, like when he fought Piccolo at the tournament. He could also just beat Goku in his prime.



Planet destroying < Small Star(our sun) < mMedium Star < Solar System(ours) < Large
Sstar < Solar Interstellar Neighborhood < Galaxy < Local Galactic Group < Virgo Supercluster < Local Supercluster < Universe < Multiverse

Any of those attacks are stronger then What Goku or anyone in DBZ can do.



Love the troll response. Normally what happens when you know you can't win a debate.



I can do this. Goku cannot hit the Flash. Nothing he can do will hit him. Even if Goku uses IT, he still needs to come out of it to use an attack. The Flash has faster than light reaction speed. As soon as Goku comes out of IT, the Flash moves.

Also, The Flash can move through Goku's body basically destroying him from within. The infinite mass punch can also beat Goku.



Spongebob beats Narutoverse with Toon force. He erases them all away with his magic pencil. Not to mention Spongebob is immune to damage because he is a sponge and has regeneration.



Goku wouldn't do that. Goku would want a good fight. Also, how did Goku find out Superman's weakness.

Lex Luther did beat him with knowledge prep. If you know someone's weakness, a fight can become much easier. Just look at Naruto vs Pain and Shikimaru vs Hidan. Without knowledge and prep, those 2 fights would have been a lot worse.



Explain to me how this is the end of the discussion. Superan didn't even die. He hasn't ever died. He just goes into healing comas and recoveres.



Magic
kyptonite
red sun radiation
Three weaknesses. So many right? They are there to make his fights interesting. No one would read a one sided fight. Only when there is a chance that the hero may lose, the fight become good.

Superman and Batman were on the Justice League. Of course they know each other.

Also, what does x-ray vision have to do with anything?



Three main characters know Instant Transmission: Goku, Perfect Cell(who copied it from Goku), and Kid Buu(who also copied it from Goku). Wow, that really is 90% of the characters in DBZ. With that statement you have lost your credibility of a poster. Oh wait, you meant fly. Well The Flash can move in the Air as well. He can open up worm holes in the air and use them to move. Since he move basically instantly, he can hit Goku at any point in the air with an infinite mass punch and win.



I agree. Superman is a lame overpowered character. Almost all anime characters are better than comic characters.



Infinite Mass Punch. Go look it up.



Superman Prime Reality bends Goku out of existence with a mere thought. GG Goku. Just accept Superman is stronger. Just like Naruto is stronger than Saskue.



So now your are back peddling. Good job. Flash can own him in the air which I explained earlier.



Batman can beat ANYONE with prep. He WILL find your weakness and he WILL take advantage of it. If you don't let Batman have prep, hes nothing. Most HST characters could beat him.



Explain how it is over. Explain how grabbing him puts him in a position where he would lose. Explain how he could even grab him with FTL reaction speeds.



Goku runs out of energy before Flash does. If Goku goes SSJ3 he basically would drain all of his energy in a couple mins (shown when he fought with Kid Buu). Also, the Flash can catch Goku in the air or wherever. He can open up worm holes and use those to move in the air and can hit Goku before he could put his finger on his head to concentrate and use IT.



Instant transmission IS instant. It is teleporting. IT is limited in the fact that you need an living energy source to lock onto and they have to be within Goku's sensing range. Goku's sensing range is not limitless and it is not the range of the universe. Just thought i'd clear that up.

Flash can move in the air. Any attack Goku does will miss sense the Flash can make energy pass through him because he moves so fast. Goku literally has no way to hit him.



Not every version of Superman. Not to mention Goku would be dead without the sun as well. Your point?



Hi.



You can't use a weaker from of matter minipulation on a being that is shown to resist stronger forms of an attack. Superman Prime is a God and has shown to do so. Also, good luck trying to hit Superman with that attack or any person stronger than Superman in DC. DC characters are way overpowered.



What's wrong with trying to show peoples opinions and knowledge is wrong.



Buu cannot regenerate from an attack that is stronger then what he was shown to die from. The Spirit bomb Goku did didn't even destroy the planet they were on. Superman's sneeze destroyed multiple planets. See which is stronger.



So as my 500th post, respect what I have to say.

If you want to debate with me, bring facts or I will destroy you.

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So you think Dbz had a great storyline? Lol

Not the best storyline ever but at least they lose to the villains sometimes. It seems like Superman auto wins every fight unless someone uses kryptonite. Everyone says Goku can't use it in this thread so that seems fair.
 

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lol Superman has always been a horrible character though. When I did read little about him it was if the authors are children. They just try to outdo every other character. All the many versions of Superman should tell you that hes broken and yet people choose him because of Goku's popularity. "Oh he can lift this much 1+10000 zeros. Who cares his story and back ground are honestly trash. I thought the point of a super hero is so he can have his falls and rises, Superman honestly never does have fall, planets are never really in danger. I appreciated Akira, Oda, Kishi and all the other Japanese writers that dont care about outdoing others, they just want to make a great story.
 

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Not the best storyline ever but at least they lose to the villains sometimes. It seems like Superman auto wins every fight unless someone uses kryptonite. Everyone says Goku can't use it in this thread so that seems fair.

I enjoyed DBZ until I realized it was basically wash, rinse, and repeat.
 

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its called wanking.
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you are on narutobase, where itachi is called the solo king.
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Goku is just the result of years of hype. Don't let it bother you, honestly every character is wanked off to.
 
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Fail logic
Goku died by Cell's explosion
Superman survived a supernova explosion that destoryed a solar system
Superman can bench 6 sextillion tons
Your argument is invalid

Still using points that I have destroyed I see. Some things never change.
 
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