[Discussion] I don't agree with some people out there

[adeshina365]

are you trying to act tough or something?


Regardless I seem to have forgotten what post you mean.

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Rinnegan awakens if you are near death, which Naruto is now =D

Just like Obito was...

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[lion fang master]

...that is telling that Naruto knows "how to use Rinnegan techniques", or that he can awake the "Rinnegan".

I agree that he knows about some of the techniques of the Rinnegan that exists out there, and he also knows how is the effect of these techniques, but he doesn't have ANY (and I repeat, HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY) experience using Doujutsu, so even if he knows the effects, he doesn't have knowledge on the cause for each effect, and he doesn't know how to control this kind of resource.

The manifestation of the eyes of the Sage were inherited by the Elder Son's Branch, and the mechanism behind the awakening (and henceforth, the use of these eyes) is the brain. Sasuke has this bloodline, and thus he was able to unlock new levels of his Sharingan until he got his MS. Moreover, under my POV, having the chakra of each Bijuu couldn't just let him awake the Rinnegan because Naruto doesn't have the physical means for this purpose (he doesn't have a brain that sprouts special chakra, Naruto doesn't belong to the Elder Son's bloodline, at least we don't have proof of that).

...we only have seen pictures of him related to the Sage, he had the big panel of a silhouette of a guy with a pair of Rinnegans... but was this foreshadow of him awakening the Rinnegan, or foreshadow of him surpassing the Sage, befriending Bijuu? All I know is that this panel was the Juubi's POV.

Let the discussion being.

Well I used to think the same b4 but we are all forgetting one point and that is naruto now has all the bijuus and remember i did not say the jubii's jinchuuriki, also if u look at nagato's jutsu he really did not perform any genjutsu either, and if you look at madara and obito after becoming jin's their abilities were not uchihas jutsu they were senin jutsu + remember what rikoudu said to all the tail

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So new naruto new jutsu that doesn't mean no rasengan but another variation + new jutsu

 

[sarathcool]

As I said earlier, Kishimoto only acts based on logic (sometimes he stretches his logic to reach some conclusions, but he doesn't act without logic).

This said, I agree that Naruto will definitely have some upgrade. But my criticism is that:

- He lacks the DNA to awake a Doujutsu, so he won't awake that doujutsu (until proven wrong, of course).
- He lacks the knowledge/experience to perform Doujutsu techniques (for obvious reasons).
- He didn't have potential to awake a Doujutsu from birth (Sasuke did; Hagoromo did if not born with Rinnegan).

He knows the effects techniques, but there is a huge difference between knowing the techniques and knowing the mechanics to perform the techniques.



I have to say, I wanted Naruto to be totally equal to Sasuke. But when you think about it, Sasuke wields Hagoromo's DNA in his blood, but Naruto doesn't. The Yin part of Rinnegan was inherited by the Elder Son, and as we are talking about inheritance, this is related not only to Yin, but to genetics as well, and the Uchiha Clan existence is enough proof for this statement.

I also mentioned that the Yang of the Eyes of the Sage turned into common eyes, and with the flow of time these common eyes became the eyes of the Senju Clan. So you're not saying anything new, we agree to this extent.

So, answering your first questions... Naruto is someone that handles chakra, in huge proportions, so if he has an upgrade, it has to be related to chakra, not to DNA, and Rinnegan is something related to DNA, Madara is the proof, arguing about this fact at this point would be futile.

Henceforth, you're right about your last sentence: Naruto and Sasuke can't be taken as Yin and Yang, even if (I) wanted them being equal... because their physical properties are totally different. The only possible Yin and Yang for them (in this context) is their philosophy.

This told, it is most likely that Naruto has an upgrade related to body or to chakra, rather than eyes (which properties belongs to the Elder Son bloodline).

Look at chapter 462, and you'll notice that chakra and physical properties are very separated. <<The Elder Son inherited his eyes and his powerful chakra>>

So, telling that the Rinnegan is the final manifestation of the Senju and the Uchiha, you only hold the half of the truth. You should say that the Rinnegan is the final manifestation of "The Eyes of the Senju and the Eyes of the Uchiha". You can't discard the powerful body inherited by the Younger Son, and the common body that was inherited by the Elder Son. These also are Yin and Yang of the Sage's Body.

...think about it. Why didn't Obito turn his MS into Rinnegan when becoming the Ten Tails Jinchuuriki? I really don't see Naruto awakening the Rinnegan if someone who met even more requirements could not.

Well you are saying it takes dna to awake rinnegan. What if obiyo give it to him. Nagato didnt have the dna to awaken it..he wasnt an uchiha. However I think he wielded it perfectly than madara I think. An one in sages blood line can can use it.I doubt if he can awaken it. All you guys are doing is usong premature argument to prove an argument without proving it in the first place.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

The way I see it is this:

Many Sasuketard are becoming even tarder than before. They are scared, and starting to piss in their pants because shit is going to happen. Do you remember when Naruto took Kurama's chakra? Well, he got a new seal, started to control chakra and convert it to match everyone else's chakra. Then, he started to transfer his memory to others, help shikamaru recover, etc.

Now, try to guess what will happen if Naruto combine all Biju chakra. See, that is where Naruto is different from all the dudes such as Sasuke, Madara or Obito. he will unlock a power that correspond to his will. The reason is simple:

The power of a shin obi is proportional to his will. Having Rikudo's will means having a power proportional to Rikudo's will - if not equal to Rikudo's power.​

To all the Sasuketard: Be prepare to drop the manga because Sasuke will not get Rinnegan simply because he does not have Senju DNA. The only person who has both bloodline naturally is Naruto. Madara and Obito are fake.

 

[sarathcool]

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Just like Obito was...

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Obito never awakened the rinnegan; he just borrowed it. And csn anyone clarify where in the manga it is said madara awakened the rinnegsn? He just awaken ed the eternal mangekyou ; correct me if Iam wrong with proof from manga...he must have got it from somewhere which will be explained on the subsequent manga. It is mentioned rinnegan is the hjghest dojutsu. Above byakugan and mangekyu so does that mean byakugan evolves to mangekyu? Since both eyes were present from sages timeand both the families were there, It is not the same or any mutation; its entirelt different like mangekyu qnd rinnegan.hence my point is that only the real rikudo awakened the only rinnegan madar stole it somehow..

 

[Transcendence]

Obito became the Juubi's Jinchuriki. His Sharingan didn't turn into a Rinnegan.

OT: My response specifically dealt with valandil988's assertion that Sage Mode is a power of Yang nature; this is fan fiction.

Sharingan is the Yin of the Juubi (essentially). By obtaining the Juubi he ruined the balanced needed for the Rin'negan. He already had the Yin due to the Sharingan, but gaining the Juubi gave him Yang, but more Yin which ruined the balance. It applies to those who don't have pre-existing Dojutsu, such as Rikudou, who most evidently did not have the Sharingan by any means, but only the Juubi's chakra circulating through him, and we know him to have the Rin'negan (and all his power sources have come from the Juubi).​

 

[sarathcool]

Lots of idiots predicting Naruto will get Rinnegan. Why? Because most NB users are probably under 18. Reality is yeah, Naruto lacks Uchiha DNA. If you've read the manga at all, Naruto has no way of ever getting Rinnegan unless Sasuke gave him Itachi's eyes or something. While that would be deeply symbolic, I doubt Sasuke will die.

I will admit it'd be an epic ending if Sasuke sacrificed himself and somehow gave Naruto his eyes.

I dont understand the cinnection between uchiha dna and rinnegan. Was nagato an uchiha? It is not stated anywhere madara awakened the rinnegen.coreect me with proof. All you guys xan argue to the end, what happens will be beyond comprehensuon just like minato used sage mode.

 

[adeshina365]

Sharingan is the Yin of the Juubi (essentially). By obtaining the Juubi he ruined the balanced needed for the Rin'negan. He already had the Yin due to the Sharingan, but gaining the Juubi gave him Yang, but more Yin which ruined the balance. It applies to those who don't have pre-existing Dojutsu, such as Rikudou, who most evidently did not have the Sharingan by any means, but only the Juubi's chakra circulating through him, and we know him to have the Rin'negan (and all his power sources have come from the Juubi).​

This is a rather unlikely explanation; the addition of the Yin of the Sharingan to the Yin of the Juubi is comparable to adding a drop of water into an ocean.

As I said previously, we will know which one of us is correct very soon. Crow will be served for one side of this debate.

 

[narutoblitz]

Ok look, NB-tards. Let's break this down.

-Rinnegan is a natural evolution of Sharingan. Naruto never has nor had Sharingan.
-You need Uchiha DNA and Senju DNA to activate Rinnegan, per Madara. Naruto doesn't have Uchiha DNA
-Nagato didn't awaken the Rinnegan, nor was he born with it. Elderly Madara implanted his eyes into Nagato.

Obito is barely alive. Once Kyuubi chakra is out of him, Black Zetsu will probably regain control. We have no reason to believe Sakura would sit there and let Obito rip Naruto's eye out. Would Naruto even know how to use Rinnegan? No. Did Child nagato? Nope. It took him years, and even then it wasn't on Madara's level.

Sorry to say guys, but these predictions that Naruto will get Rinnegan are pretty pathetic, and lame. If he does awaken the Rinnegan, it will be long after becoming ten tails Jinch. Which is way off.

 

[sarathcool]

Can you name anyone in manga who turned his sharingan to rinnegan "as a course of evolutio"? If you say madara give spoilers to justify.

 

[Flakez]

Can you name anyone in manga who turned his sharingan to rinnegan "as a course of evolutio"? If you say madara give spoilers to justify.

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[darkmanure]

I disagree, Rinnegan fits Naruto on the basis of shared vision alone! 1000 clones sharing visions. He doesn't even need other techniques.

 

[MrDuck]

I wouldn't like Naruto getting Rinnegan. His strength lies in his massive amount of chakra and perseverance while fighting. Sasuke is more the doujutsu guy imo.

I'd like Sasuke and Naruto to keep their different talents. That's part of what makes the duo Naruto and Sasuke so good for me.

Edit: I wouldn't really mind Naruto getting it if Sasuke gets a powerup too. So they can atleast stay somewhat on the same level. I think I read somewhere a while ago that Kishimoto once said he likes to evolve Naruto and Sasuke equally.

 

[Transcendence]

This is a rather unlikely explanation; the addition of the Yin of the Sharingan to the Yin of the Juubi is comparable to adding a drop of water into an ocean.

As I said previously, we will know which one of us is correct very soon. Crow will be served for one side of this debate.

Non-applicable analogy. The ocean isn't about stability nor balance. I'm complacent, so I'm not going to find the scans, but Madara explicitly states that the other interpretation regarding the Uchiha tablet revolves around balance between Yin and Yang to create stability. Having more of one side makes it a more dominant side and there is no balance. Same concept with Jinchuriki Obito.

Also...
@Narutoblitz: You're a clown. Nobody here takes you seriously, so I don't know why you are posting.​

 

[Shinato]

I disagree, Rinnegan fits Naruto on the basis of shared vision alone! 1000 clones sharing visions. He doesn't even need other techniques.

It wouldn't fit Naruto. He doesn't have any previous knowledge or skill with Dojutsu, not to mention that we already have a main star who is not only skilled with Dojutsu but perhaps the most skilled user since Hagoromo himself, namely Sasuke Uchiha.

 

[Transcendence]

It wouldn't fit Naruto. He doesn't have any previous knowledge or skill with Dojutsu, not to mention that we already have a main star who is not only skilled with Dojutsu but perhaps the most skilled user since Hagoromo himself, namely Sasuke Uchiha.

A master of a singular Dojutsu, not the Rin'negan. Your example applies to both Naruto and Sasuke's experience with the Rin'negan; they have no direct experience with them. And it is fundamentally different than the Sharingan, so Sasuke couldn't instantly master it. If anything, Naruto actually has experience with the Rin'negan and knowledge of roughly every technique as he has faced it twice and was able to identify Obito using Rinne Tensei.​

 

[Shinato]

A master of a singular Dojutsu, not the Rin'negan. Your example applies to both Naruto and Sasuke's experience with the Rin'negan; they have no direct experience with them. And it is fundamentally different than the Sharingan, so Sasuke couldn't instantly master it. If anything, Naruto actually has experience with the Rin'negan and knowledge of roughly every technique as he has faced it twice and was able to identify Obito using Rinne Tensei.​

Madara wasn't able to use the Rinnegan in battle prior to his awakening as an Edo Tensei, that leaves the possibility that with awakening the Dojutsu, the user also gains all the knowledge regarding it. ( That or from the Uchiha tablet, which is also rather unlikely. ) Meaning that the knowledge Naruto has of it would be pointless really. Also, I wasn't simply referring to Sasuke's mastery of the Sharingan. I was referring to the fact that he mastered the Dojutsu to a level that is close to Madara's in the matter of months or weeks. While Madara used several years to do that, that alone proves that Sasuke is a much quicker learner than Madara.

 

[Naruto.]

The base needs more threads like these. U_U
Completely agreed, OT.

 

[Transcendence]

Madara wasn't able to use the Rinnegan in battle prior to his awakening as an Edo Tensei, that leaves the possibility that with awakening the Dojutsu, the user also gains all the knowledge regarding it. ( That or from the Uchiha tablet, which is also rather unlikely. ) Meaning that the knowledge Naruto has of it would be pointless really. Also, I wasn't simply referring to Sasuke's mastery of the Sharingan. I was referring to the fact that he mastered the Dojutsu to a level that is close to Madara's in the matter of months or weeks. While Madara used several years to do that, that alone proves that Sasuke is a much quicker learner than Madara.

Then you just contradicted yourself. You're stating that it doesn't fit Naruto as he has no experience with it (neither does Sasuke) but upon awakening it you gain access and knowledge to all techniques it has to offer; solidifying a stance for either to have said Dojutsu. Not merely Sasuke.​

 

[Shinato]

Then you just contradicted yourself. You're stating that it doesn't fit Naruto as he has no experience with it (neither does Sasuke) but upon awakening it you gain access and knowledge to all techniques it has to offer; solidifying a stance for either to have said Dojutsu. Not merely Sasuke.​

No, I said that Naruto lacks the experience with Dojutsu use in general. Knowledge doesn't equalize experience. Let me put it in a simple way, if Naruto were to unlock the Rinnegan he would most likely not even know how to activate it or any of its jutsu. He would be stuck with all the knowledge of how each of the abilities worked, but no experience on how to actually use them.