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Everyone seems to think the Rinnegan is a purely dojutsu based bloodline. This is blatantly untrue. Its a manifestation of two elements. Yin and Yang. Ergo in truth its a Body and Eye technique. So no its not just the final evolution of the Uchiha, its the final evolution of BOTH Senju and Uchiha.

I agree that Naruto would need training or perhaps some external force guiding him to make such a power up useful. I made a thread recently discussing this problem.


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So lets explore the alternative. If not the Rinnegan what? Another jinchuriki bath robe? Wow fun yahoo and its another evolution along Naruto OWN path of yang development.

Sasuke however seems in line to gain a sage mode, something that has until now been the purview of Naruto's own Yang development line. So I suppose Sasuke is another story entirely he can have Naruto's toys as well because he is "Uchiha". Yet the idea of Naruto even awakening a dojutsu for a limited time is impossible?

Stop creating double standards for the main characters. If people want to play it by Yin and Yang. Sasuke should stick to eye techs, and Naruto should stick to body techs. But that doesn't look like it will happen.

That idea that Sage Mode was a Yang development is pure fan fiction. Sage mode is equal parts Yin and Yang. Both must be balanced to achieve Sage Mode. The manga has established that since part 1, Sasuke has had a natural aptitude for controlling Senjutsu. This completely destroys the notion that Sage Mode is a Yang development; Sasuke was utilizing Senjutsu before Naruto did.
 

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Fully agreed.

I think those that think that Naruto will awaken the Rinnegan are going to be disappointed. He doesn't need to have the exact same powers of the sage to be his "successor".

The way I see it, Naruto is the successor of the Sage's ideals and teachings.

I see Naruto's "Juubi mode" as being a souped-up Bijuu mode.

Agreed, that's the most likely case for Naruto in the current context.

They way I see it, he's the equalization of the Juubi . Sasuke being the equalization of the Sage. Both fight against the person who is alike the Sage himself, namely Madara Uchiha. Metaphorically it would be like the Sage and the Juubi battling together against a common enemy, solving the circle of hatred that Hagoromo and his mother started.

That's quite an interesting point of view. I would rep if I could, but it seems I must spread some points.
 

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agreed. i just dont see naruto having the rinnegan.he is symbolicaly reffered as the younger son.he has the body.SM+BM is his thing really.he might get juubi`s powers but that`s it
 

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As I said earlier, Kishimoto only acts based on logic (sometimes he stretches his logic to reach some conclusions, but he doesn't act without logic).

This said, I agree that Naruto will definitely have some upgrade. But my criticism is that:

- He lacks the DNA to awake a Doujutsu, so he won't awake that doujutsu (until proven wrong, of course).
- He lacks the knowledge/experience to perform Doujutsu techniques (for obvious reasons).
- He didn't have potential to awake a Doujutsu from birth (Sasuke did; Hagoromo did if not born with Rinnegan).

He knows the effects techniques, but there is a huge difference between knowing the techniques and knowing the mechanics to perform the techniques.



I have to say, I wanted Naruto to be totally equal to Sasuke. But when you think about it, Sasuke wields Hagoromo's DNA in his blood, but Naruto doesn't. The Yin part of Rinnegan was inherited by the Elder Son, and as we are talking about inheritance, this is related not only to Yin, but to genetics as well, and the Uchiha Clan existence is enough proof for this statement.

I also mentioned that the Yang of the Eyes of the Sage turned into common eyes, and with the flow of time these common eyes became the eyes of the Senju Clan. So you're not saying anything new, we agree to this extent.

So, answering your first questions... Naruto is someone that handles chakra, in huge proportions, so if he has an upgrade, it has to be related to chakra, not to DNA, and Rinnegan is something related to DNA, Madara is the proof, arguing about this fact at this point would be futile.

Henceforth, you're right about your last sentence: Naruto and Sasuke can't be taken as Yin and Yang, even if (I) wanted them being equal... because their physical properties are totally different. The only possible Yin and Yang for them (in this context) is their philosophy.

This told, it is most likely that Naruto has an upgrade related to body or to chakra, rather than eyes (which properties belongs to the Elder Son bloodline).

Look at chapter 462, and you'll notice that chakra and physical properties are very separated. <<The Elder Son inherited his eyes and his powerful chakra>>

So, telling that the Rinnegan is the final manifestation of the Senju and the Uchiha, you only hold the half of the truth. You should say that the Rinnegan is the final manifestation of "The Eyes of the Senju and the Eyes of the Uchiha". You can't discard the powerful body inherited by the Younger Son, and the common body that was inherited by the Elder Son. These also are Yin and Yang of the Sage's Body.

...think about it. Why didn't Obito turn his MS into Rinnegan when becoming the Ten Tails Jinchuuriki? I really don't see Naruto awakening the Rinnegan if someone who met even more requirements could not.


Again there are issues with Obito, he had the Rinnegan and the Sharingan. Its possible this formed some sort of interferance I don't know but i do know that Obito isn't a great example.

You keep talking about DNA, Uchiha DNA is linked to their BRAINS (spiritual power minds!) not their eyes (the Sharingan is a result of the special chakra effecting the optic nerve). Senju DNA is linked to their BODIES not their "normal" eyes as you so put it. The DNA we are speaking about are a manifested forms of Juubi power. Genetic modification to incorporate senju or uchiha dna into either an uchiha or senju can potentially produce a Rinnegan. But that yin yang originally came from the juubi so the Rinnegan must come from it. There is no other way to explain it. So going to the source of that power must produce similar results.

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Naruto & Sasuke Bloodline:

Sasuke exemplifies the elder son bloodline. The most advanced example of the bloodline alive today, EMS and dark chakra comparative to Madara's own. Strong Chakra with a potent Yin component.

By comparison the fact is that Naruto hasn't expressed any evidence of Senju powers at all. Senju powers involve the Mokuton, apparent talent and massive Yang power. Are massive reserves even a part of the Senju bloodline? Strong Yang doesn't mean massive reserves.

The only thing he has shown is massive chakra reserves and powerful yang, no Mokuton, no real talent. All he has ever had going for him is the influence Kurama has had on Naruto's body which resulted in massive reserves even greater than his normal Uzumaki heritage would supply. Alongside that the ability to manage these reserves, however is that a talent or is it just a natural side effect of his situation. The massive reserves of yang chakra can be explained as being an influence of not only Kurama's unbalanced state but also Naruto being a dumb ass. Ergo his Yin energy is limited because of his own stupidity. That doesn't sound like a bloodline to me does it...Hashirama wasn't a moron was he, his Yang power was just much stronger than his already formidable Yin.

Also how can the Uzumaki be of the Senju younger son bloodline. No senju have ever been shown to use Chakra chains of any form which seems to be an ability that Uzumaki can unlock. If the senju were the root of the Uzumaki bloodline then wouldn't Tsunade (a far superior ninja) have unlocked such abilities when faced with loosing her beloved family? Why would the Leaf village send off for an Uzumaki to seal the kyuubi into? Why not just use a Senju if they have the same blood? No something doesn't make sense there about that.

Ultimately I'm not convinced that Naruto will gain a "chakra" upgrade here, What kind of upgrade could it realistically be? Obtio gained great speed and the black stuff. But Again if he gained even a portion of that ability for someone like Naruto its STILL a power up that's mostly useless. Madara isn't going to be beaten by speed in this case.

I challenge you to come up with a realistic power up based on chakra that can logically make sense and be useful right off bat in this situation.
 
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Again there are issues with Obito, he had the Rinnegan and the Sharingan. Its possible this formed some sort of interferance I don't know but i do know that Obito isn't a great example.

You keep talking about DNA, Uchiha DNA is linked to their BRAINS (spiritual power minds!) not their eyes (the Sharingan is a result of the special chakra effecting the optic nerve). Senju DNA is linked to their BODIES not their "normal" eyes as you so put it. The DNA we are speaking about are a manifested forms of Juubi power. Genetic modification to incorporate senju or uchiha dna into either an uchiha or senju can potentially produce a Rinnegan. But that yin yang originally came from the juubi so the Rinnegan must come from it. There is no other way to explain it. So going to the source of that power must produce similar results.

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Naruto & Sasuke Bloodline:

Sasuke exemplifies the elder son bloodline. The most advanced example of the bloodline alive today, EMS and dark chakra comparative to Madara's own. Strong Chakra with a potent Yin component.

By comparison the fact is that Naruto hasn't expressed any evidence of Senju powers at all. Senju powers involve the Mokuton, apparent talent and massive Yang power. Are massive reserves even a part of the Senju bloodline? Strong Yang doesn't mean massive reserves.

The only thing he has shown is massive chakra reserves and powerful yang, no Mokuton, no real talent. All he has ever had going for him is the influence Kurama has had on Naruto's body which resulted in massive reserves even greater than his normal Uzumaki heritage would supply. Alongside that the ability to manage these reserves, however is that a talent or is it just a natural side effect of his situation. The massive reserves of yang chakra can be explained as being an influence of not only Kurama's unbalanced state but also Naruto being a dumb ass. Ergo his Yin energy is limited because of his own stupidity. That doesn't sound like a bloodline to me does it...Hashirama wasn't a moron was he, his Yang power was just much stronger than his already formidable Yin.

Also how can the Uzumaki be of the Senju younger son bloodline. No senju have ever been shown to use Chakra chains of any form which seems to be an ability that Uzumaki can unlock. If the senju were the root of the Uzumaki bloodline then wouldn't Tsunade (a far superior ninja) have unlocked such abilities when faced with loosing her beloved family? Why would the Leaf village send off for an Uzumaki to seal the kyuubi into? Why not just use a Senju if they have the same blood? No something doesn't make sense there about that.

Ultimately I'm not convinced that Naruto will gain a "chakra" upgrade here, What kind of upgrade could it realistically be? Obtio gained great speed and the black stuff. But Again if he gained even a portion of that ability for someone like Naruto its STILL a power up that's mostly useless. Madara isn't going to be beaten by speed in this case.

I challenge you to come up with a realistic power up based on chakra that can logically make sense and be useful right off bat in this situation.

You bought good points into discussion. Let me analyze and answer part by part.

Again there are issues with Obito, he had the Rinnegan and the Sharingan. Its possible this formed some sort of interferance I don't know but i do know that Obito isn't a great example.

You keep talking about DNA, Uchiha DNA is linked to their BRAINS (spiritual power minds!) not their eyes (the Sharingan is a result of the special chakra effecting the optic nerve). Senju DNA is linked to their BODIES not their "normal" eyes as you so put it. The DNA we are speaking about are a manifested forms of Juubi power. Genetic modification to incorporate senju or uchiha dna into either an uchiha or senju can potentially produce a Rinnegan. But that yin yang originally came from the juubi so the Rinnegan must come from it. There is no other way to explain it. So going to the source of that power must produce similar results.

You answered yourself in there. Naruto would need a special brain able to sprout special chakra, in order to awake special eyes.

Hagoromo was the first human 'born' with the holy chakra, so his DNA was compatible with Doujutsu awakening from the start.

If the logic that 'only bijuu chakra' would be so true, Obito's MS should changed to Rinnegan, or advanced to a new stage of Doujutsu due the stimulae. The fact is that: It did not.

I really don't care if you consider that this is a bad example... the fact that his eye didn't change still remains.

Naruto & Sasuke Bloodline:

Sasuke exemplifies the elder son bloodline. The most advanced example of the bloodline alive today, EMS and dark chakra comparative to Madara's own. Strong Chakra with a potent Yin component.

By comparison the fact is that Naruto hasn't expressed any evidence of Senju powers at all. Senju powers involve the Mokuton, apparent talent and massive Yang power. Are massive reserves even a part of the Senju bloodline? Strong Yang doesn't mean massive reserves.

Exactly. Sasuke is the living example of his bloodline... and in the case of Naruto (even if it was stated that Nagato comes from the Senju lineage), I don't consider Naruto as someone with the Senju Bloodline heritage (at least not being that strong). We only know that he has huge chakra reserves, and following this line, I already proved that the Uchiha and Senju Clan don't have huge chakra reserves, as few character does.

Also, for the things about great chakra reserves:

As you can see, I know that the Uchiha only holds great spiritual energy, and powerful eyes. But Naruto only has high spiritual energy and high physical energy, he doesn't have powerful eyes nor the powerful body. As much he has great lifeforce, I guess we should agree in this point.

The only thing he has shown is massive chakra reserves and powerful yang, no Mokuton, no real talent. All he has ever had going for him is the influence Kurama has had on Naruto's body which resulted in massive reserves even greater than his normal Uzumaki heritage would supply. Alongside that the ability to manage these reserves, however is that a talent or is it just a natural side effect of his situation. The massive reserves of yang chakra can be explained as being an influence of not only Kurama's unbalanced state but also Naruto being a dumb ass. Ergo his Yin energy is limited because of his own stupidity. That doesn't sound like a bloodline to me does it...Hashirama wasn't a moron was he, his Yang power was just much stronger than his already formidable Yin.

Also how can the Uzumaki be of the Senju younger son bloodline. No senju have ever been shown to use Chakra chains of any form which seems to be an ability that Uzumaki can unlock. If the senju were the root of the Uzumaki bloodline then wouldn't Tsunade (a far superior ninja) have unlocked such abilities when faced with loosing her beloved family? Why would the Leaf village send off for an Uzumaki to seal the kyuubi into? Why not just use a Senju if they have the same blood? No something doesn't make sense there about that.

No comments in here, since the answer to the previous quote explains clearly my POV.

Ultimately I'm not convinced that Naruto will gain a "chakra" upgrade here, What kind of upgrade could it realistically be? Obtio gained great speed and the black stuff. But Again if he gained even a portion of that ability for someone like Naruto its STILL a power up that's mostly useless. Madara isn't going to be beaten by speed in this case.

I challenge you to come up with a realistic power up based on chakra that can logically make sense and be useful right off bat in this situation.

Speedblitz, sensing and raw power were already in the pack. Also, extending chakra manipulation/capacity.

The interesting thing to see would be resonance with Madara's bijuu, so Madara could lose some control (just like Obito before gaining full control over the Juubi).

This would follow the same principle used to defeat Obito, but instead of using physical raw power (Yang Kurama), it would use something like telepathy (Naruto has Yin Kurama right now for that purpose).

In the end, Naruto didn't use his body per se... he used chakra to defeat Obito. But Sasuke used his eyes.
 
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You bought good points into discussion. Let me analyze and answer part by part.



You answered yourself in there. Naruto would need a special brain able to sprout special chakra, in order to awake special eyes.

Hagoromo was the first human 'born' with the holy chakra, so his DNA was compatible with Doujutsu awakening from the start.

If the logic that 'only bijuu chakra' would be so true, Obito's MS should changed to Rinnegan, or advanced to a new stage of Doujutsu due the stimulae. The fact is that: It did not.

I really don't care if you consider that this is a bad example... the fact that his eye didn't change still remains.



Exactly. Sasuke is the living example of his bloodline... and in the case of Naruto (even if it was stated that Nagato comes from the Senju lineage), I don't consider Naruto as someone with the Senju Bloodline heritage (at least not being that strong). We only know that he has huge chakra reserves, and following this line, I already proved that the Uchiha and Senju Clan don't have huge chakra reserves, as few character does.

Also, for the things about great chakra reserves:

As you can see, I know that the Uchiha only holds great spiritual energy, and powerful eyes. But Naruto only has high spiritual energy and high physical energy, he doesn't have powerful eyes nor the powerful body. As much he has great lifeforce, I guess we should agree in this point.



No comments in here, since the answer to the previous quote explains clearly my POV.



Speedblitz, sensing and raw power were already in the pack. Also, extending chakra manipulation/capacity.

The interesting thing to see would be resonance with Madara's bijuu, so Madara could lose some control (just like Obito before gaining full control over the Juubi).

This would follow the same principle used to defeat Obito, but instead of using physical raw power (Yang Kurama), it would use something like telepathy (Naruto has Yin Kurama right now for that purpose).

In the end, Naruto didn't use his body per se... he used chakra to defeat Obito. But Sasuke used his eyes.

You make good points, however Obito and Madara are not the same. Naruto's Biju resonance was great enough to pull the Biju from Obito but is that the same with Madara? And even if he does Base Madara still seems to be beyond Naruto and Sasuke. Madara also likely knows FAR more about the Rinnegan and the Rikudo powers than Obito did. Not only that but Madara has Sage mode. (whether that will last remains to be seen)

A little speed boost isn't going to equalize this even with Naruto's Biju resonance.

So lets assume Naruto does gain a pseudo replica of Madara's own Rikudo powers, Madara's own version of the mode is still far superior in power to Naruto's and he has a better grasp of it.

As an alternate to that:

You mentioned telepathy regarding Yin Kurama. Well I wouldn't want to go in that direction but I would like to see some resonance or perfect Biju mode from Naruto considering his own vast Yang reserves will come into balance with the Yin chakra of Yin Kurama. Could this union perhaps create some new manner of power different than what we have already seen. Because tbh I'm getting bored of the predictable Power ups.

About the telepathy again, Naruto has exhibited the ability to use prior connections established to communicate his thoughts unconsciously (the whole SA using Yamanaka mind link). Direct contact of chakra with Obito also allowed him to "mind fk him". My point on this would be that its nothing new, Naruto on his own can do this, its what Chakra was originally for he is just discovering its true powers.

Could we see some expansion on this front instead of pure combat powers because lets face it Madara has em beat on that front.

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Also why the SPECIFIC use of the word "vitality" to describe Uzumaki powers where as the Younger Son is described as having powerful yang....odd choice of words, it has to mean something, if the Uzumaki were the same Kishimoto wouldn't bother making the distinction. In my interpretation they mean the same damn thing, powerful bodies. IE both bodies have high endurance and high levels of energy capable of being drawn to create chakra. Am I missing something here?
 

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I'm sorry Hirudora, I'm with Valandil here. He brings up far better points in contrast.
 

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Thanks for your support. Although this thread doesn't touch how Naruto could/couldn't use the doujutsu in his fighting style, I think this Doujutsu doesn't fit with any of the main character's fighting style.

No. I guess not.


At this point, i would get a huge picture of sasuke, but that would be spamming because i would post it 500 times.
 

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I won't doubt about Naruto with Rinnegan if that happens. He was able to connect his or Kurama's chakra with the whole alliance and to use SM + BM and adding sage chakra to bijudama, etc. I'm sure he would be able to use Rinnegan if Kishi wants it.

Btw, it seems like awakening the Rinnegan causes a exalted feeling. It happened to Madara and probably kid Nagato as well.
 
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Any plans to respond to my post valandil988?

OT: Either way, plenty of crow will be served very soon.
 

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Any plans to respond to my post valandil988?

OT: Either way, plenty of crow will be served very soon.

I don't see why you talk in such absolutes. The best argument you gave me on my thread was that (paraphrased) it wouldn't suit him or you didn't think it would look good on him (frankly, you said that about Sasuke as well). Nobody has attempted nor can refute the chain of events portion of my thread, as it's pretty much absolute in of itself because it's entirely based on what happened in the manga.

OT: Hiru, when I get some time in the next little while I'll respond to this thread in full detail as to why I disagree with your assertion.
 

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Again there are issues with Obito, he had the Rinnegan and the Sharingan. Its possible this formed some sort of interferance I don't know but i do know that Obito isn't a great example.

You keep talking about DNA, Uchiha DNA is linked to their BRAINS (spiritual power minds!) not their eyes (the Sharingan is a result of the special chakra effecting the optic nerve). Senju DNA is linked to their BODIES not their "normal" eyes as you so put it. The DNA we are speaking about are a manifested forms of Juubi power. Genetic modification to incorporate senju or uchiha dna into either an uchiha or senju can potentially produce a Rinnegan. But that yin yang originally came from the juubi so the Rinnegan must come from it. There is no other way to explain it. So going to the source of that power must produce similar results.

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Naruto & Sasuke Bloodline:

Sasuke exemplifies the elder son bloodline. The most advanced example of the bloodline alive today, EMS and dark chakra comparative to Madara's own. Strong Chakra with a potent Yin component.

By comparison the fact is that Naruto hasn't expressed any evidence of Senju powers at all. Senju powers involve the Mokuton, apparent talent and massive Yang power. Are massive reserves even a part of the Senju bloodline? Strong Yang doesn't mean massive reserves.

The only thing he has shown is massive chakra reserves and powerful yang, no Mokuton, no real talent. All he has ever had going for him is the influence Kurama has had on Naruto's body which resulted in massive reserves even greater than his normal Uzumaki heritage would supply. Alongside that the ability to manage these reserves, however is that a talent or is it just a natural side effect of his situation. The massive reserves of yang chakra can be explained as being an influence of not only Kurama's unbalanced state but also Naruto being a dumb ass. Ergo his Yin energy is limited because of his own stupidity. That doesn't sound like a bloodline to me does it...Hashirama wasn't a moron was he, his Yang power was just much stronger than his already formidable Yin.

Also how can the Uzumaki be of the Senju younger son bloodline. No senju have ever been shown to use Chakra chains of any form which seems to be an ability that Uzumaki can unlock. If the senju were the root of the Uzumaki bloodline then wouldn't Tsunade (a far superior ninja) have unlocked such abilities when faced with loosing her beloved family? Why would the Leaf village send off for an Uzumaki to seal the kyuubi into? Why not just use a Senju if they have the same blood? No something doesn't make sense there about that.

Ultimately I'm not convinced that Naruto will gain a "chakra" upgrade here, What kind of upgrade could it realistically be? Obtio gained great speed and the black stuff. But Again if he gained even a portion of that ability for someone like Naruto its STILL a power up that's mostly useless. Madara isn't going to be beaten by speed in this case.

I challenge you to come up with a realistic power up based on chakra that can logically make sense and be useful right off bat in this situation.

I undertand largly why most people think naruto will simply get a stronger "cloak mode" instead of a ability that requires technique ( mokuton, rinnegan, etc.....) The argument against the notion that naruto gets a ability like rinnegan is that it wouldnot do any good because of time, however the truth is that we don't know- in manga time insot always an issue- look at goku and the hyperbolic time chamber, or ichigo and the dangai. What if naruto goes through some training in the kamui dimenseion- multiplied by the growth factor of the shadow clone justu?

-It's entiterly possible that naruto masters new abilties quick through a training session, furthermore kishi hasnot seemed to mind pulling abilies out of no where. When obito gained the juubi's power, obito mastered his new form very fast, and madara controlled the juubi instantly. Obito didnot learn how to make/use the omnyouton orbs, he just did. he didnot need to learn how to use the bijudama flower or the sun god barrier- he just did. - if obito learned/gained all these abilties whats to say naruto can't. -I personally like the theory that when minato and naruto merged chakra they gained some of each others memories ( like shadow clone returns memories) and thats how minato gaines SM. But if thats true, what when the kyubi chakra returns to naruto ( from ninja alliance) he gains the collective skill and abilities of the entire shinobi alliance.

-truthfully, this is kishi's manga -anything can happen - from time dialation ( thousand years of training) to mastering a new incredibly technique vary quickly ( obito and omnyouton, Sasuke and blaze release ( when did he have time to train that, he has been laying in bed)

Now, onto your next bit about heritage and bloodline- yes I agree with you about how close Sasuke and Madara and the older son- Eyes, abilties, etc....

However with Naruto you have to be a bit open minded. We don't know enough about the senju to say exactly what their bloodline abiltiies are-other than hashirama. -Saying senju=mokuton isnot really accurate, as far as we know only hashirama could do that.-furthermore the bit about powerfull yang- again only really applies to hashirama. We have no idea what was so special about the senju, that made the uchiha defect to their side.

-We do see the uzamki in naruto though. - only females have shown chakra chains, so just because he can't use them doesnsot discredit his heritage. His lack of seal mastery is interesting, but seal master seems to be learned so perhaps Naruto has never had the opportunity to learn anything? So far, Naruto has his uzumaki heritage's vitality + his former status as a jinkuriki. your right, Naruto hasnot shown much relating him to the senju, unlike sasuke who mirrors madara. However, again, we barely know anything about the senu. hashirama and naruto seem vary similar- sure Naruto has never had a formal education, didnot have parents raise him, lived alone- so he acts like a idiot but he has his moments, like is father.

Your right, even if Uzumaki and Senju are related- its distant, not direct. However, we don't know minato's heritage. (Blonde Hair, any other senju's have blonde hair + he is a mirror of tobirama + Jiriaya has white hair )- see any possible relationship between Minato, Jiriaya, tsunade, and tobirama here?? Just a possiblity.

A probable chakra upgrade for naruto would follow with how obito transformed- omnyouton orbs, and mokuton bijudama trees. However, personally if kishi goes that way I would be fairly bored.

My personal favorite upgrade for naruto would be rikudo abilties ( omnyouton+mokuton trees-bijudama) and he gains some of his fathers abilties because of chakra share.
-Is this enough?- yes. Most people don't realize how powerfull hiraishin + mass shadow clones are.

It's obvious that Sasuke and naruto are going to counter madara. It would make symbolic sense. Madara is the sage, with pieces of himself in conflict- most likely Naruto and sasuke are going to work togethor with (Uchiha and Senju) abilites. thats what the symbolism says and knowing kishimotto thats what he is going to do- does he care about your opinion

-The truth is that the forshadowing is there - ( did obito being tobi not have logical problems) - I if were you I would prepare for illogically- Naruto getting six path powers. -there is a good chance this is what kishi has in store ( he has alot of hints for this) and he doesnot care how he gets there.
-Don't be surprised if in a week or two your one of the only people who think its bs- and everbody else is pointing to all of kishi's "forshadowing"

-The biggest problem with logical thinking is that people in nature are irrational beings. Kishimotto is just as irrational as anybody else. Not only that but he specifically has a history of irrationality with the Naruto Manga.

-My true answer to your question is that logically, neithor sasuke nor Naruto can do anything to even touch Rikudo madara. SO, logically Naruto doesnot get any power up and before he returns to the real world Madara already crated a bijudama and killed all the shinobi.
 

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Great Fighters adapt to the situation,Naruto is one who has adopted over the years so do not count Him out or you will lose. Naruto as the S06P may be His destiny and if so then the Rinnegan is His birthright.
 

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i dont like the idea either but lets not act like naruto isnt a genius who learns very quickly.
sage mode,rasengan,sage mode/kurama combo, chakra separation


he did all these in record time according to the manga.
 

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i dont like the idea either but lets not act like naruto isnt a genius who learns very quickly.
sage mode,rasengan,sage mode/kurama combo, chakra separation


he did all these in record time according to the manga.

Yeah which he basically did by cheating :p Shadow clone jutsu is an OP cheat tech. Dat Tobirama :cool:


Any plans to respond to my post valandil988?

OT: Either way, plenty of crow will be served very soon.

:what: are you trying to act tough or something?


Regardless :sweat: I seem to have forgotten what post you mean.


I undertand largly why most people think naruto will simply get a stronger "cloak mode" instead of a ability that requires technique ( mokuton, rinnegan, etc.....) The argument against the notion that naruto gets a ability like rinnegan is that it wouldnot do any good because of time, however the truth is that we don't know- in manga time insot always an issue- look at goku and the hyperbolic time chamber, or ichigo and the dangai. What if naruto goes through some training in the kamui dimenseion- multiplied by the growth factor of the shadow clone justu?
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Minimized quote lol :p

Umm yeah? I agree I suppose, problem I have is if Kishimoto give black stuff to Naruto and weirdo orbs I will rage. And btw the Biju dama flowers were Mokuton if you didn't notice.

Mokuton seems to be tied to the Juubi's body ergo its a BODY power ergo its the Yang power that the younger son inherited, why its so rare is a mystery to me. Perhaps there are required unlocks. Much like the Sharingan it might be emotionally triggered or motivated. We simply don't know.

Perhaps instead of combat and hate triggering it its some form of enlightenment or perhaps stupid as it sounds love is required.
 
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Lots of idiots predicting Naruto will get Rinnegan. Why? Because most NB users are probably under 18. Reality is yeah, Naruto lacks Uchiha DNA. If you've read the manga at all, Naruto has no way of ever getting Rinnegan unless Sasuke gave him Itachi's eyes or something. While that would be deeply symbolic, I doubt Sasuke will die.

I will admit it'd be an epic ending if Sasuke sacrificed himself and somehow gave Naruto his eyes.
 

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Lots of idiots predicting Naruto will get Rinnegan. Why? Because most NB users are probably under 18. Reality is yeah, Naruto lacks Uchiha DNA. If you've read the manga at all, Naruto has no way of ever getting Rinnegan unless Sasuke gave him Itachi's eyes or something. While that would be deeply symbolic, I doubt Sasuke will die.

I will admit it'd be an epic ending if Sasuke sacrificed himself and somehow gave Naruto his eyes.

Obito already said he wanted Kakashi to crush his left eye (Rinnegan), but now his hands is on Naruto so maybe he will give it to him, unless he already knows that Naruto would awaken something beyond Rinnegan.
 

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Jubi was just seeing the Sage, who obviously is always pictured with Rinnegan so far so it doesn't mean Naruto's getting it. I don't find it suitable for him, it's already stated he has the Sage's most prized Jutsu.
 

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I don't see why you talk in such absolutes. The best argument you gave me on my thread was that (paraphrased) it wouldn't suit him or you didn't think it would look good on him (frankly, you said that about Sasuke as well). Nobody has attempted nor can refute the chain of events portion of my thread, as it's pretty much absolute in of itself because it's entirely based on what happened in the manga.

OT: Hiru, when I get some time in the next little while I'll respond to this thread in full detail as to why I disagree with your assertion.

Obito became the Juubi's Jinchuriki. His Sharingan didn't turn into a Rinnegan.

OT: My response specifically dealt with valandil988's assertion that Sage Mode is a power of Yang nature; this is fan fiction.
 
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