Hyuga clan Breaking Out Infinite Tsukyomi

[Honord Sage]

But Hinata is still connected Emotional to Naruto and Naruto might be able to Help Her from the inside if He can power Her up to escape from the inside.

 

[Raekwon26]

But Hinata is still connected Emotional to Naruto and Naruto might be able to Help Her from the inside if He can power Her up to escape from the inside.

Good grief........

 

[Honord Sage]

Good grief........

So you can't stand that their connected to each other,deal with it its Cannon. It happen and were their a connection their is hope.

 

[grindheim]

wow. nice thread. it's very plausible theories.

 

[JustAnotherNarutoFan]

Ermmm... How is it? I can't see it. Please explain.

I see that they are the same as everybody else.

She was the only one where we got sort of an inner monologue, doubt that Kishi did this without a reason. Yeah she is bound and was out of chakra before the jutsu even started. Everyone else seemed to be paralyzed and dazed once they were captured but she still had "free" thoughts so I assumed that being Hyuuga allows you to withstand the illusion part of the jutsu. Not that that helps much because you probably need to be kage level or beyond to escape the tree itself.

 

[mohdzarif]

But Hinata is still connected Emotional to Naruto and Naruto might be able to Help Her from the inside if He can power Her up to escape from the inside.

Wow!!! At least come up with something logical while you are fangirling.

With Sakura, you bash and downplay her always, but with Hinata, you become crazy.

 

[mohdzarif]

She was the only one where we got sort of an inner monologue, doubt that Kishi did this without a reason. Yeah she is bound and was out of chakra before the jutsu even started. Everyone else seemed to be paralyzed and dazed once they were captured but she still had "free" thoughts so I assumed that being Hyuuga allows you to withstand the illusion part of the jutsu. Not that that helps much because you probably need to be kage level or beyond to escape the tree itself.

I still doubt that. Whatever... that's what you believe.

We will see what's up next.

 

[vacationheaven]

good find sir.. but supposing that the hyuuga clan or hinata can resist the IT, why is it that in the manga he has the moon rinnegan effect on her eyes and saying that she cant move, i think its not only the chakra flow that is affected but her own body and will was just traumatized....

 

[AaaaNinja]

She was the only one where we got sort of an inner monologue, doubt that Kishi did this without a reason. Yeah she is bound and was out of chakra before the jutsu even started. Everyone else seemed to be paralyzed and dazed once they were captured but she still had "free" thoughts so I assumed that being Hyuuga allows you to withstand the illusion part of the jutsu. Not that that helps much because you probably need to be kage level or beyond to escape the tree itself.

I agree.

1. It could be a simple trick for transitioning the story back to the main characters.
2. Other characters reacted once the genjutsu took effect, but they were exclusively characters who were unaffected; the Edos. If it was the author's conscious choice to exclude all other kinds of dialog (regular living human's thoughts) then there's a reason. But we don't know whether it is.
3. Hinata is conscious. Is she the only one?
4. Will she remain conscious or were those just her final thoughts before succumbing.
5. Can Sasuke sense it too? Does he have the same special senses that Naruto has?

I bolded the FACTS.

 

[JustAnotherNarutoFan]

good find sir.. but supposing that the hyuuga clan or hinata can resist the IT, why is it that in the manga he has the moon rinnegan effect on her eyes and saying that she cant move, i think its not only the chakra flow that is affected but her own body and will was just traumatized....

Well if you look carefully you see that once people are "captured" by the moon they stop speaking, moving and most likely even free thinking. We only see Hinata once she is partially wrapped up already, she was almost out of chakra before that happened, the tree can subdue and drain chakra so right now she wouldn't be able to escape anyway.

Then there can be a multitude of reasons why she can't break the jutsu fully. Maybe she is to exhausted, the Byakugan only counters the illusion and not the other effects or just because you know you are in a Genjutsu doesn't mean you can escape.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Well it's your hard effort that made me acknowledge your dedication thanks to all the list of facts that you laid out really helps me realize my mistakes, because I'm the type of guy who come's to being open mind. So for that particular reason I should be thanking you or else I would run wild without realizing the error on part of my argument.

Thanks... And those are some good personality features you possess.

Oh no I'm referring to the fight with Edo Itachi vs Killer Bee .

Fighting Itachi Bee get caught in Tsukyomi when he looked at his eyes . When he destroyed Itachi's illusion Hachibi realized it was an illusion and snapped him out.

If Bee starts receiving damage from Tsukuyomi Hachibi would notice right away.

When Hachibi pokes Bee he is instantly able to fight again.
Here we still see illusionary crow which turns to be a shuriken — Bee reacts immediately.

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Killer Bee was caught in a regular genjutsu, not Tsukuyomi...
After Itachi sneaked behind Bee and expelled the fire coated shurikens, he hadn't performed any eye contact with Bee until then. Bee countered them, and at that time Itachi had the Sharingan activated, not the Mangekyou Sharingan.

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After Killer Bee grabbed Itachi with the Hachibi tentacle, he realized that he was under a genjutsu.

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I don't know whether Itachi performed the genjutsu with the previous eye contact (Sharingan) with Bee...

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...or he launched it without any eye contact via mere finger gestures at that very moment.

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But it definitely wasn't Tsukuyomi because Itachi did not activate MS at that time (the crow did not eject from Naruto's mouth). Therefore, Hachibi snapped Bee out of it with ease, and Bee effectively countered the shuriken.

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Itachi only activated the MS first 3 pages later in the manga, after which Naruto warned Bee to be careful, and Itachi's crow came out of Naruto's mouth at that very moment (a sign of stimulation of MS)

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If he had previously triggered the MS when he put Bee under genjutsu, then the crow would come out much earlier, which proves that Bee wasn't caught under Tsukuyomi.

Anyway you got really good point how Itachi was only using regular Sharingan Genjutsu without directly looking at Itachi eyes when Naruto get caught under Genjutsu but it still doesn't take away how Jiryiaya explained you need someone to support and supply chakra to disrupt it like Hachibi snapped Bee. I mean this is the other best way scenario to break out other than you have to born lucky that matches the same Sharingan bloodline.

To break a genjutsu, you need to disrupt your chakra flow. You can be masterful with your chakra control (like Hyugas and medical nins) to disrupt it yourself. And if you can't do that, your partner can do it for you, like Sakura and Chiyo disrupted Naruto's chakra). In a jinchuuriki's case, the bijuu is basically your partner who can disrupt the chakra flow for you. So what Jiraiya said was right, I'm not contradicting that, but his statement only goes for regular genjutsus. I've already explained above that Edo Itachi used a regular genjutsu on Bee.

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But regarding Tsukuyomi, I'm afraid that is not possible. You only have to be born lucky in that case, but every jutsu has its weakness. Tsukuyomi's weakness is that it requires eye contact to perform which can be avoided.

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Theoretically speaking Have you forgot how Ao with his eye shut was able to deduce Danzo with Shisui eyes (The greatest Genjutsu of all time ) by directly looking through the eyes so more likely they're more immune to it .

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Oh right... I actually forgot that. The Byakugan has significant advantages due to its vision, which can help prevent falling victim of Tsukuyomi.
1. 360 degree vision: Hyugas can fight Itachi without exposure of their eyes.
2. Vision through barriers: Hyugas can fight Itachi with eyes closed (no eye contact)
3. Can see chakra: Hyugas can see the chakra build up in Itachi's eyes.
But the last point (which you mentioned) is actually not all that useful against Tsukuyomi. Because if Hyugas see the chakra build up in Itachi's eyes, they will get hit by Tsukuyomi (in case their eyes are open). But if their eyes are closed, then seeing chakra build up is useless, because they will not get hit by Tsukuyomi anyway. But its still an advantage against Amaterasu.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Thanks... And those are some good personality features you possess.


Killer Bee was caught in a regular genjutsu, not Tsukuyomi...
After Itachi sneaked behind Bee and expelled the fire coated shurikens, he hadn't performed any eye contact with Bee until then. Bee countered them, and at that time Itachi had the Sharingan activated, not the Mangekyou Sharingan.

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After Killer Bee grabbed Itachi with the Hachibi tentacle, he realized that he was under a genjutsu.

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I don't know whether Itachi performed the genjutsu with the previous eye contact (Sharingan) with Bee...

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...or he launched it without any eye contact via mere finger gestures at that very moment.

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But it definitely wasn't Tsukuyomi because Itachi did not activate MS at that time (the crow did not eject from Naruto's mouth). Therefore, Hachibi snapped Bee out of it with ease, and Bee effectively countered the shuriken.

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Itachi only activated the MS first 3 pages later in the manga, after which Naruto warned Bee to be careful, and Itachi's crow came out of Naruto's mouth at that very moment (a sign of stimulation of MS)

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If he had previously triggered the MS when he put Bee under genjutsu, then the crow would come out much earlier, which proves that Bee wasn't caught under Tsukuyomi.


To break a genjutsu, you need to disrupt your chakra flow. You can be masterful with your chakra control (like Hyugas and medical nins) to disrupt it yourself. And if you can't do that, your partner can do it for you, like Sakura and Chiyo disrupted Naruto's chakra). In a jinchuuriki's case, the bijuu is basically your partner who can disrupt the chakra flow for you. So what Jiraiya said was right, I'm not contradicting that, but his statement only goes for regular genjutsus. I've already explained above that Edo Itachi used a regular genjutsu on Bee.

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But regarding Tsukuyomi, I'm afraid that is not possible. You only have to be born lucky in that case, but every jutsu has its weakness. Tsukuyomi's weakness is that it requires eye contact to perform which can be avoided.

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Right it's hard to see Itachi eyes in the manga scan so I assumed he uses MS Tsukoymi cast on Bee and as for breaking out I guess it's sucks if you're not born with the same Uchiha Sharingan bloodline but anyway thanks for clarifying.

Oh right... I actually forgot that. The Byakugan has significant advantages due to its vision, which can help prevent falling victim of Tsukuyomi.
1. 360 degree vision: Hyugas can fight Itachi without exposure of their eyes.
2. Vision through barriers: Hyugas can fight Itachi with eyes closed (no eye contact)
3. Can see chakra: Hyugas can see the chakra build up in Itachi's eyes.
But the last point (which you mentioned) is actually not all that useful against Tsukuyomi. Because if Hyugas see the chakra build up in Itachi's eyes, they will get hit by Tsukuyomi (in case their eyes are open). But if their eyes are closed, then seeing chakra build up is useless, because they will not get hit by Tsukuyomi anyway. But its still an advantage against Amaterasu.

Yea that's what I mean by immune when closing the eyes, it probably won't get hit by Tsukuyomi theoretically