"hype" and its usage, right or wrong? which ways?

[KingHashirama]

Hype is useless unless it has feats to back it up.It's one thing to talk the talk,but walking the walk is a different matter.

feats: an achievement that requires great courage, skill, or strength.

Hype is only given because those characters have had off-screen feats.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

All I see is speculation and biased opinion.

 

[The Work]

Itachi ran from jiraiya doesn't sound like something an invincible man would do I dnt wanna hear he didn't want to hurt him because he is from konoha u forget he almost killed kakashi and fought the other jounin

Please. Itachi had soloed Kakashi, Kurenai, and Asuma before that fight with Jiraiya. The solo king just decided to wait until he got Naruto. He was too busy tanking Sasuke.

 

[MickNerks]

- Hiruzen " god of shinobi" "storngest of the hokage": holy shit some people still can't comprehend the hype. Even those who do not believe he is the strongest cannot seem to see what the hype is regards to context within the manga. Which has led to the typical "kishimoto took back his words" "kishimoto didn't give a f*ck about part 1 anymore".. no. Kishimoto stayed within the limits of part 1 hype. Because most people forget that when hiruzen recieved his hype in the form a "past tense", meaning "was the strongest hokage", "was the god of shinobi".. at that same time Hashirama and Tobirama were already being hailed as the best shinobi<< present tense. On top of that by the time hiruzen recieved his hype Hashirama's powers weren't even considered to be real. So again with Hiruzen his hype only applies to his generation and the ones after.
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Hashirama and Tobirama were stated to be the best shinobi of there era. And even if it wasnt only stated to being their era, hiruzen was stated (not by iruka) to have superior strength to Hashirama and Tobirama during his prime. Hiruzen in his prime was said to be stronger than the 2 previous hokage, and because no one has seen his prime, people often cant conceive how powerful Hiruzen could have been and just shrug it off as untrue.

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Though its common knowledge older hiruzen isnt superior to them in strength, hiruzen in his youth was stated by many to be the strongest hokage to exist (this statement even includes minato due to it being made after minato's death).

His Hype directly states that in his youth his strength surpassed all other hokage that existed in the leaf, but this often is ignored because it was never shown.

 

[WalksInShadows]

these are my own personal rules about hype:

1. Hype doesn't mean very much unless it is backed up with something to verify/suggest it. For ex: Itachi's claim about Izuna vs. what was seen from him.

2. Hype surrounding chakra reserves aren't usually disputable if the dialogue leaves no room for doubt. For ex: someone having bijuu-lvl reserves or someone saying for a fact that Party A has more/less than Party B.

3. Hype, in regards to someone's character or moral fiber when it comes to trying to use it as some sort of stand alone feat, means nothing to me. For ex: Hashirama's statement about Itachi being a better ninja than him or this or that person possessing WoF.

4. DB hype also means nothing to me if the manga evidence contradicts it.

I do agree that in the realm of comparing the lvl of someone's genius/strength, precaution needs to be taken when looking at those statements. Certain ppl who have made statements like Iruka either made them because they were trying to blowing smoke up someone's tail pipe, they have been shown to possess a limited understanding of other fighters(whether they be in or out of their respective village/era), or both.

 

[KingHashirama]

Hashirama and Tobirama were stated to be the best shinobi of there era. And even if it wasnt only stated to being their era, hiruzen was stated (not by iruka) to have superior strength to Hashirama and Tobirama during his prime. Hiruzen in his prime was said to be stronger than the 2 previous hokage, and because no one has seen his prime, people often cant conceive how powerful Hiruzen could have been and just shrug it off as untrue.

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Though its common knowledge older hiruzen isnt superior to them in strength, hiruzen in his youth was stated by many to be the strongest hokage to exist (this statement even includes minato due to it being made after minato's death).

His Hype directly states that in his youth his strength surpassed all other hokage that existed in the leaf, but this often is ignored because it was never shown.

Here is the problem, No one in konoha had surpassed Hashirama or Tobirama in regards to being the best shinobi. Also, what iruka stated is in the form of "past tense" and in being a rumor "people say he was"..

And here is the scan about Tobirama and Hashirama being hailed as the best of konoha, even after Minato and Hiruzen.

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[BenjerminGaye]

Here is the problem, No one in konoha had surpassed Hashirama or Tobirama in regards to being the best shinobi. Also, what iruka stated is in the form of "past tense" and in being a rumor "people say he was"..

And here is the scan about Tobirama and Hashirama being hailed as the best of konoha, even after Minato and Hiruzen.

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That claim was made by fodder anbu. It's about as valuable as iruka's brown nosing.

 

[KingHashirama]

That claim was made by fodder anbu. It's about as valuable as iruka's brown nosing.

1. did you just say anbu = iruka?

2. Iruka himslef stated a rumor

3. What anbu stated referred to the present, what iruka stated referred to the past.

4. Just because to you he is a fodder, doesn't mean what he said has no relevance, despite it being the utmost truth from what he have seen also.

As i said read in context, and compare them in context of situations and times.

 

[Raijingan]

Please. Itachi had soloed Kakashi, Kurenai, and Asuma before that fight with Jiraiya. The solo king just decided to wait until he got Naruto. He was too busy tanking Sasuke.

I seem to remember that Itachi told Kisame that Jiraiya was stronger than him

 

[BenjerminGaye]

1. did you just say anbu = iruka?

2. Iruka himslef stated a rumor

3. What anbu stated referred to the present, what iruka stated referred to the past.

4. Just because to you he is a fodder, doesn't mean what he said has no relevance, despite it being the utmost truth from what he have seen also.

As i said read in context, and compare them in context of situations and times.

1. In being knowledge? Yes. At best he heard that from a bingo book.

2. Your point? Both said they were hailed as "xyz" despite not being there to see xyz.

3. No. The anbu referred the to the past. "Hailed" is in the past tense.

4. I'm not even gonna bother with this one. Like most hype it's simple hearsay.

 

[KingHashirama]

1. In being knowledge? Yes. At best he heard that from a bingo book.

2. Your point? Both said they were hailed as "xyz" despite not being there to see xyz.

3. No. The anbu referred the to the past. "Hailed" is in the past tense.

4. I'm not even gonna bother with this one. Like most hype it's simple hearsay.

1. Please show me he heard it from a bingo book

2. They described their current stated in the village, acknowledge they simply stated how they are precieved by the people of the village at that time.

3. " are" : present 2d singular or present plural of be
"hailed" : acclaim enthusiastically as being a specified thing.

^^ nothing about that is past tense.

4. You shouldn't because you would not be able to counter it..

 

[MickNerks]

Here is the problem, No one in konoha had surpassed Hashirama or Tobirama in regards to being the best shinobi. Also, what iruka stated is in the form of "past tense" and in being a rumor "people say he was"..

And here is the scan about Tobirama and Hashirama being hailed as the best of konoha, even after Minato and Hiruzen.

Thats hype doesnt disregard hiruzen's hype which was given to him in the same battle. Orochimaru states that Hiruzen "Was Hailed" as the god of shinobi, which is a higher status than "best shinobi" and created after hashirama and tobirama gained their status as best shinobi.

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And Iruka stating that people stated that hiruzen had superlative strength, is no different from kabuto's statement that "people though hashirama's power to be a fairytale". They were both stated by multiple people, which was heard and repeated by iruka and kabuto.

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[KingHashirama]

Thats hype doesnt disregard hiruzen's hype which was given to him in the same battle. Orochimaru states that Hiruzen "Was Hailed" as the god of shinobi, which is a higher status than "best shinobi" and created after hashirama and tobirama gained their status as best shinobi.

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And Iruka stating that people stated that hiruzen had superlative strength, is no different from kabuto's statement that "people though hashirama's power to be a fairytale". They were both stated by multiple people, which was heard and repeated by iruka and kabuto.

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THe very post you provided is already countered in the OP. But let me repeat myself again regarding it.

Notice the post you provided and the post i provided as the difference of tenses.

"are hailed as " (present tense) vs "was hailed as" Past tense.

How does one not become the best shinobi despite being the god of shinobi at a certain point? << Because that is regarding his own era. Not regarding the past, where Hiruzen himself acknowledges Hashirama as the God of Shinobi. Furthermore the statement is made invalid and related to only Hiruzen's time and only a specific area. When people like Seigetsu only acknolwedge Hashirama as the god of shinobi.


For your second scan, you are making 2 different things into the same.

Kabuto = States that Hashirama's powers are simply regarded as fairy tails, aka fake, non-existant. Just like the Sage of the 6 paths. <<< this is about people not believing hashirama had those powers.

Iruka = is saying that some people state that Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage. << about people saying Hiruzen is the strongest.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

1. Please show me he heard it from a bingo book

2. They described their current stated in the village, acknowledge they simply stated how their precieved by the people of the village at that time.

3. " are" : present 2d singular or present plural of be
"hailed" : acclaim enthusiastically as being a specified thing.

^^ nothing about that is past tense.

4. You shouldn't because you would not be able to counter it..

1. So was he with hashirama on the battlefield?

2.tbh. I can't understand what you're trying to say here. It doesn't change what both said despite not knowing the extents of their actual abilities.

3. Bruh its past tense. Even when trying to explain it you're using past tense words like acclaim.

4. It doesn't have any relevance since despite what the said ,anbu he wasn't there to take account. Like you already said in this very thread by his time the abilities of the first and second were considered fairy tales. That's why this point didn't deserve a legitimate counter. It contradicts statements you already made in your op. You'd be arguing against yourself. Not to mention it not being true since Tobirama admitted inferiority to minato on multiple accounts.

I'm done here. You're the type that would try to argue with me to infinity.

 

[KingHashirama]

1. So was he with hashirama on the battlefield?

2.tbh. I can't understand what you're trying to say here. It doesn't change what both said despite not knowing the extents of their actual abilities.

3. Bruh its past tense. Even when trying to explain it you're using past tense words like acclaim.

4. It doesn't have any relevance since despite what the said ,anbu he wasn't there to take account. Like you already said in this very thread by his time the abilities of the first and second were considered fairy tales. That's why this point didn't deserve a legitimate counter. It contradicts statements you already made in your op. You'd be arguing against yourself. Not to mention it not being true since Tobirama admitted inferiority to minato on multiple accounts.

I'm done here. You're the type that would try to argue with me to infinity.

1. Again, he expressed the state of which those 2 were being hailed as in the village, despite them seeing Minato and Hiruzen. I don't know why you are continuing to argue on this one.. let me guess because i put down Minato's hype?

2. acclaim : praise enthusiastically and publicly.

3. False, it doesn't contradict what i'm saying at all. the mere fact Tobirama and Hashirama's powers were considered fairy tail simply proves my point and validates them being hailed as the best shinobi. Clearly you seem to think me saying "you are faster than me " " you can kick better than me" = me saying you are better than me in fighting. <<<<< That shit don't work like that.

Thank you.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

1. Again, he expressed the state of which those 2 were being hailed as in the village, despite them seeing Minato and Hiruzen. I don't know why you are continuing to argue on this one.. let me guess because i put down Minato's hype?

2. acclaim : praise enthusiastically and publicly.

3. False, it doesn't contradict what i'm saying at all. the mere fact Tobirama and Hashirama's powers were considered fairy tail simply proves my point and validates them being hailed as the best shinobi. Clearly you seem to think me saying "you are faster than me " " you can kick better than me" = me saying you are better than me in fighting. <<<<< That shit don't work like that.

Thank you.

1. It doesn't change him not knowing about them. Or fighting wit them or being there to see either of the two's abilities his source isn't first hand, Thus it holds no weight.

2. Use the word" acclaim" in the present tense.

3. The fact they're considered fairy tale means that ppl of this generation have limited to no knowledge of their actual abilities. It would be like jman speaking of kaguya. Lol that's exactly what it means.

 

[MickNerks]

THe very post you provided is already countered in the OP. But let me repeat myself again regarding it.

Notice the post you provided and the post i provided as the difference of tenses.

"are hailed as " (present tense) vs "was hailed as" Past tense.

How does one not become the best shinobi despite being the god of shinobi at a certain point? << Because that is regarding his own era. Not regarding the past, where Hiruzen himself acknowledges Hashirama as the God of Shinobi. Furthermore the statement is made invalid and related to only Hiruzen's time and only a specific area. When people like Seigetsu only acknolwedge Hashirama as the god of shinobi.


For your second scan, you are making 2 different things into the same.

Kabuto = States that Hashirama's powers are simply regarded as fairy tails, aka fake, non-existant. Just like the Sage of the 6 paths. <<< this is about people not believing hashirama had those powers.

Iruka = is saying that some people state that Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage. << about people saying Hiruzen is the strongest.

Sorry it took me so long. I had to go get the Viz translations.

Ok. Anbu official stated "....... Both Famed as the Ultimate Shinobi"

Orochimaru stated that ".......Even you, who has been hailed as a Shinobi God"

Both refer to present tense. Both Hashirama and Tobirama are ultimate shinobi, and Hiruzen is a shinobi god. Niether one in the Viz translation is used in past tense.

 

[BlacLord™]

Hiruwankers go ape and stay stupid things like "Hiruzen > Hashirama" etc.

They seem to forget that "was said to be.." isn't the same as actually being, it's just hype, hype that those fanboys take oh so seriously, it's just ridic.

 

[KCMNaruto]

I'll just leave this here.​

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Really tell me then Itachi where was your Yata Mirror when Nagato pulled CT, well of course you know it won't shield you well so I took another actions to get rid of CT.

CT gg

 

[Blackdeath667]

look at some of kabuto abilities and then look at some of kaguya's theirs truth in the statement

many can beat minato
their are characters who beat itachi

**** fodderizuzen