How will Naruto make it up the ninja ranks?
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Raidenuser
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I don't think Naruto is unintelligent. He appeared that way as he missed most of his basic schooling. He is also still young. He is starting to show the ability to think things through.
Gai is a Jonin and often just rushes in too xd so I don't think that will stop you becoming Jonin if you have skills
Kakashi Fang
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He taught Konoharmaru rasengan, and that's an A-rank Jonin level jutsu.
He could also teach shadow clone deception tactics.
He could also put in a good word with the toads so they can teach his students or so they can have contracts with them.
Naruto could also teach Sage Mode if he wants too.
He could teach basic chakra control, taijutsu, and genjutsu escapes as well.
Naruto would be a great Jonin leader if you ask me.
1.) You would be safe with him, almost certainly.
2.) He could teach you rasengan and all it's variants.
3.) He has alot of friends that if asked by Naruto would help train his students in a heartbeat, such as Kakashi Guy Yamato Tsunade Neji.
I would want to be on his team.
He could also teach shadow clone deception tactics.
He could also put in a good word with the toads so they can teach his students or so they can have contracts with them.
Naruto could also teach Sage Mode if he wants too.
He could teach basic chakra control, taijutsu, and genjutsu escapes as well.
Naruto would be a great Jonin leader if you ask me.
1.) You would be safe with him, almost certainly.
2.) He could teach you rasengan and all it's variants.
3.) He has alot of friends that if asked by Naruto would help train his students in a heartbeat, such as Kakashi Guy Yamato Tsunade Neji.
I would want to be on his team.
EliteKakashi
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Jiraiya had fire and earth release. Naruto isn't even close to him in terms of jutsu.
Kakashi is a jounin because of his intelligence just as much as his thousands of techniques. And Kakashi taught Sasuke how to master his sharingan and trained him with how to use chidori. Naruto was Jiraiya's student.
We've never actually seen Gai prepare for a fight by himself, so we can't really say either way. And if you notice, in this war, he waited for Kakashi to tell him the plan. He didn't just start throwing punches all over the place.
zombiejesus
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yea he is a splendid ninja lol but for real he is becoming a very good ninja all around while he will never be as smart as shikamaru nobody else willl either
you are forgetting that naruto as conqured is inner hatred and this is something he will want to teach the all village in the future to stop wars which might break out in future as for jutsus they wont be needed if people can conquer there inner hatred it will be a good future for everyone
Raidenuser
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I just used Gai as an illustration that not all Jonin are as highly intelligent as Kakashi etc. We certainly have seen Gai fight alone and he does sometimes rush in without thinking
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Naruto is pretty smart. It is shown in his fight against Kakuzu of Akatsuki. Anyway he has a class of his own already JINCHURIIKI. And they can become Kage as shown by the fourth Mizukage. Also he can always use books and borrow other Jounin when it comes to teaching techs he doesn't know as Kakashi did for him when he needed to focus on Sasuke when they were younger. Also he is just sixteen, if he survives this he still has years to learn jutsus.
I see that's a lot of emotions floating around, either hating Naruto or loving him. I will try to address a few of the points made in this thread.
1 - Naruto trained with Jiraya for nearly 3 years alone. Do you really think that Jiraya didn't teach him more than it was shown? I agree that Jiraya didn't teach everything he knew, but certainly, he taught more than the rasegan and kuchyose alone.
2 - Yes, Shikamaru is Jounin material for sure more than any other Jounin, but let's not forget that his IQ is way above average. I would take a wild guess and say it's around 180 at least. Just remember how he played the entire battle against Kakuzu and his partner in his head and planned for every contigence and variable.
3 - If intelligence is a Jounin requirement, Gai would still be at school. He is as dumb as a door knob. (no offenses to the door's knobs)
4 - Yes, Naruto is hot-headed and eager to jump in battle rather than thinking it over. But this is mostly due to his will of protecting the others, rather than plain stupidity. He knows he can take the hits better than most (or anyone else now), so he'd rather risk himself than endanger others.
5 - Despite what has been said, remember that Naruto learned the chakra control technique (walking up the tress) as fast as Sasuke who is considered a Genius. Also, let's not forget that Naruto had the kyubi chakra already leaking into his (due to the seal), what made it a lot harder for him to control his chakra flow.
6 - Also, regarding other main characters number of jutsus. Both Itachi and Sasuke pretty much only show the katon ( fire style) which is the Uchiha trade mark and the sharigan, nothing else (Sasuke has chidori). Remove the sharigan and they are left with little else. (please, I am stating a fact, not flaming Sasuke or Itachi)
7 - Sasuke has many lighting style jutsus, but if you pay close attention, they are all variations of chidori. Naruto has many variations of the Rasegan as well.
8 - Yes, Naruto was a very poor student (can't get any worse than he was) when at school. But let's remember one thing guys, he had no motivation, no parental or adult supervision to tell him to study or to clarify any doubts he might have.
9 - It has been said that once a ninja becomes a Jounin, he tries to unlock other chakra types, but not before (there are exceptions of course)
In the end, it is fair to say that compared to Sarutobi he is lacking a lot of jutsus, and compared to some jounins as well, however if we compare Naruto to the average shinobi, he has more jutsus than most. Just take a look at Garaa who is a Kage; his only jutsus are sand based - temari only uses wind based jutsus (and mostly the same) and she is a Jounin. Their brother (forgot the name) only has puppet control, and is also a jounin. Even Neji who is a jonoha jounin only has the light hand technique ( guess that's what it's called).
Besides all that, there is also what Itachi said about how to be a Hokage. Plus, it's not the ability to think or create strategies that matter, but the ability to lead and give hope to those around you.
PS. Despite all I said, I am still not sure he would make a good teacher. Just imagine a whole generation of genin doing the sexy no jutsu? that would be sick, but would make Jiraya proud .
1 - Naruto trained with Jiraya for nearly 3 years alone. Do you really think that Jiraya didn't teach him more than it was shown? I agree that Jiraya didn't teach everything he knew, but certainly, he taught more than the rasegan and kuchyose alone.
2 - Yes, Shikamaru is Jounin material for sure more than any other Jounin, but let's not forget that his IQ is way above average. I would take a wild guess and say it's around 180 at least. Just remember how he played the entire battle against Kakuzu and his partner in his head and planned for every contigence and variable.
3 - If intelligence is a Jounin requirement, Gai would still be at school. He is as dumb as a door knob. (no offenses to the door's knobs)
4 - Yes, Naruto is hot-headed and eager to jump in battle rather than thinking it over. But this is mostly due to his will of protecting the others, rather than plain stupidity. He knows he can take the hits better than most (or anyone else now), so he'd rather risk himself than endanger others.
5 - Despite what has been said, remember that Naruto learned the chakra control technique (walking up the tress) as fast as Sasuke who is considered a Genius. Also, let's not forget that Naruto had the kyubi chakra already leaking into his (due to the seal), what made it a lot harder for him to control his chakra flow.
6 - Also, regarding other main characters number of jutsus. Both Itachi and Sasuke pretty much only show the katon ( fire style) which is the Uchiha trade mark and the sharigan, nothing else (Sasuke has chidori). Remove the sharigan and they are left with little else. (please, I am stating a fact, not flaming Sasuke or Itachi)
7 - Sasuke has many lighting style jutsus, but if you pay close attention, they are all variations of chidori. Naruto has many variations of the Rasegan as well.
8 - Yes, Naruto was a very poor student (can't get any worse than he was) when at school. But let's remember one thing guys, he had no motivation, no parental or adult supervision to tell him to study or to clarify any doubts he might have.
9 - It has been said that once a ninja becomes a Jounin, he tries to unlock other chakra types, but not before (there are exceptions of course)
In the end, it is fair to say that compared to Sarutobi he is lacking a lot of jutsus, and compared to some jounins as well, however if we compare Naruto to the average shinobi, he has more jutsus than most. Just take a look at Garaa who is a Kage; his only jutsus are sand based - temari only uses wind based jutsus (and mostly the same) and she is a Jounin. Their brother (forgot the name) only has puppet control, and is also a jounin. Even Neji who is a jonoha jounin only has the light hand technique ( guess that's what it's called).
Besides all that, there is also what Itachi said about how to be a Hokage. Plus, it's not the ability to think or create strategies that matter, but the ability to lead and give hope to those around you.
PS. Despite all I said, I am still not sure he would make a good teacher. Just imagine a whole generation of genin doing the sexy no jutsu? that would be sick, but would make Jiraya proud .
EliteKakashi
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I was talking more so about fights that the team leaders prepare for, not ones that they just randomly come across, lol.I just used Gai as an illustration that not all Jonin are as highly intelligent as Kakashi etc. We certainly have seen Gai fight alone and he does sometimes rush in without thinking
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And to be fair, the genius Neji got trapped by Kisame, yet Gai did not. Gai actually took his weapon away from him. While of course, it didn't matter in the long run, it still showed he was capable of thinking clearly in battle, even when surprised.
EliteKakashi
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If he was taught more than that, don't you think he would have used it by now? He's been in a ton of battles since being trained.
Shika's IQ was over 200 back at the chuunin exams, according to Asuma. Can't imagine what it is now.
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When Gai gets serious he's far from dumb. No he's not a genius, but he's also far from being dumb.
This says nothing about his intelligence, though..Just that, over time, he managed to improve his chakra control. Ebisu helped him with that.
Sasuke and Itachi weren't/aren't trying to move up the ninja ranks, either. Not sure how they're relevant to the conversation.
I'm not sure how that makes up for his lack of intelligence(in regards to team leading and etc).
And Kakashi stated most jounin are capable of using 2 elements. I don't recall that statement ever being said(Not calling you wrong, just don't remember it).
The issue here is not that he's not powerful, not that he doesn't inspire, but that he doesn't have the essentials to make it as a jounin. He could potentially be an outstanding Hokage because of his power, how he can inspire people, etc, but before that he MUST become a better strategist and given that he'll most likely have to move through the ranks, he will have to learn more than just 2 jutsu.In the end, it is fair to say that compared to Sarutobi he is lacking a lot of jutsus, and compared to some jounins as well, however if we compare Naruto to the average shinobi, he has more jutsus than most. Just take a look at Garaa who is a Kage; his only jutsus are sand based - temari only uses wind based jutsus (and mostly the same) and she is a Jounin. Their brother (forgot the name) only has puppet control, and is also a jounin. Even Neji who is a jonoha jounin only has the light hand technique ( guess that's what it's called).
Besides all that, there is also what Itachi said about how to be a Hokage. Plus, it's not the ability to think or create strategies that matter, but the ability to lead and give hope to those around you.
PS. Despite all I said, I am still not sure he would make a good teacher. Just imagine a whole generation of genin doing the sexy no jutsu? that would be sick, but would make Jiraya proud .
You use the sand siblings as an example, but for one, we don't know much at all about Kankuro and Temari. I don't think they're a fair comparison. And as far as Gaara relying on only sand, that's acceptable because he's pretty much a genius when it comes to using it and he's mastered it completely. He protected his entire village with sand.
I'm not downing Naruto in the slightest. He's the most powerful ninja in the series. But I'm questioning, given his shortcomings in terms of strategy and teaching ability, how can he make it through the ranks?