How strong is Adult Naruto without Kurama?

[Guntah]

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His base self did better against Momoshiki than any of the other Gokage. Therefore, I still think Naruto without Kurama's aid would be well beyond Kage level, and that's without even taking Sage Mode into consideration.

 

[lndra]

High Kage level

 

[salamander uchiha]

They do have a massive quantity of chakra, according to the DB.

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No they don't that's clearly an additiin/mistranslation. The scans showing a scene referencing Uuzmaki traits proofs being red hair and longevity(life force) as identification markers of people being uzumaki. But somehow chakra is being referenced referring to the picture in that box. That's probably a fan addition like the ones on Hiruzuen's scans(he can learn/knows every jutsu) or the ones that used to say Nagato's rinnegan was immune to genjutsu.

 

[Exaar]

As long as he has the boost he got from the sage, He will always be stupidly strong, Regardless of Kurama.

Also to people questioning Naruto Chakra/Stamina, He would've had decently large levels due to the fact he was able to take half of Kurama's chakra being sealed inside his body as a newborn baby.
Obviously it wouldn't be as big we know it to be but it would still be far above average.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Kushina says it takes powerful chakra to subdue Kurama as a host.

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Minato himself went numb from half of Kurama within a second while Naruto has had the beast for over a decade without the issue. Even Minato had enough chakra to perform Sage Mode, which was said to require an extreme amount of chakra and strong body.

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As a testament to Naruto's chakra, he was capable of making multiple clones fight on multiple fronts in the war despite Kurama pulling from him all the while. Keep in mind the typical shinobi can't even make 3, let alone more while in a chakra draining mode and performing some of the most powerful justu we'd seen at that point.

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I'm not interested in creating a whole new Naruto where his parents are alive and the storyline is completely different, so I'lll just say that without Kurama he'd still be a monster capable of SM(puts him above Pain and co) and have access to Rikudo Chakra which puts him nicely past the other kages.

 

[Char Aznable]

You clearly ignored the scan where Naruto confirms, Naruto has large chakra reserves because of kurama once they mix with his they're his reserves. Orochimaru didn't seal the reserves he created an imbalance in the leaking process. Naruto didn't suddenly lose all the staminachakra he'd acquired over the 13 + years prior to the 5 elements seal.


Kakashi's referring to the Kyubi cloak and not the internal chakra Naruto received via the seal. Which mountain toad and Naruto both confirm he received from him becoming a him. I provided the scan which confirms Naruto has been receiving that his whole life.




Nice fanfic



Yes he was a big hindrance whenever Naruto needed bailing out

Please come back with actual facts not fanfic.

@Windup, solo'ed this.

Manga facts of Naruto's natural Uzumaki traits and hype >>> Fan Opinions that he's singularly dependent on Kurama for everything.

 

[Uverdore9]

@Windup, solo'ed this.

Manga facts of Naruto's natural Uzumaki traits and hype >>> Fan Opinions that he's singularly dependent on Kurama for everything.

But. So6p said naruto didn't inherit anything from his parents.

 

[Styles]

There is too.
Chapter 63 in Part 1. When Naruto fought the Rain Genjutsu all night while spamming Kage Bushin. As well as transforming into Kabuto, Sasuke and Sakura, and using his shadow clones to release them from the genjutsu, so Sasuke and co could trap Oboro's team at daybreak. Naruto then beat Oboro's team by himself.

All this was accomplished after Orochimaru put the Five Pronged Seal on Naruto's belly. Where the 4 Pronged Uzumaki seal for Kurama was. This cut Naruto off from Kurama's chakra and left him with only his own Uzumaki reserves.


Kabuto also says this in Chapter 63.

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So yeah, Kakashi and Kabuto got it right. Even without Kurama, Naruto would still be a tank.

Kurama's chakra was still fusing with Naruto's tho. Just wasn't stable. Jiraiya stated it.

 

[salamander uchiha]

@Windup, solo'ed this.

Manga facts of Naruto's natural Uzumaki traits and hype >>> Fan Opinions that he's singularly dependent on Kurama for everything.

Windup didn't solo anything or counter it for that matter. My advice take some comprehension lessons.

Manga facts are Uzumaki have strong lifeforce and red hair, Kushina survived extraction of full kurama and is still concious and assisting Minato by subdueing full Kurama after giving child birth. Manga fact Naruto gets fodderised after having full kurama extracted i didnt see the Uzumaki trait there

Manga fact Kishina solos whole kurama Naruto is getting fodderised by 50% kurama u til kushina steps in.

Manga fact 3 Uzumaki have red hair Naruto doesn't althoigh I don't consider it as important as the prior facts.

Manga fact Naruto admits has large chakra reserves because of kurama's chakra mixing with his. Kakshi confirms the root of Naruto's stamina is kurama. Naruto's 4 times reserves therefore originate from kurama. Those same reserves allow him to learn sagemode.
Manga facts >>> your fanfic.

Ps. I don't think anybody said he's solely dependant on Kurama, Naruto's dependant on Kurama for most of his feats and what he's shown.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Even without kurama Naruto is still ashura incarnate, he'd be very powerful and still defeated sasuke. As the protagonist/MC, his power is absolute.

I agree, but let's not reach too much, he's no Sakura

 

[Styles]

And yet Naruto spammed shadow clones all night, after Orochimaru sealed Naruto from accessing the kyubi chakra. Not to mention Kakashi saying without Kurama, Naruto would have 4x as much chakra than himself (Kakashi).

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Also, you need large chakra reserves to become a jin in the first place. As well as to master sage mode. Without Kurama, Naruto could still master sage mode and his rasengan shuriken.

People seem to forget that up until the war arc (around chapter 550 or so), Kurama was more of a hindrance than a help.

@Bold You really don't. Kushina became a jin because her strong chakra. Same as Naruto it was confirmed he could hold Kurama because he inherited Kushina's strong chakra.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Kurama's chakra was still fusing with Naruto's tho. Just wasn't stable. Jiraiya stated it.

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Yea he did and what those fans ignore is that chakra that he recieved for 12+ years had become a permanent part of Naruto's reserves.

Naruto has 2 types of kyubi chakra, the fist is the internal one that mixes with his and also enhances him physically healing factor, recovery, endurance, durability and ever increasing chakra reserves. The second type which he draws on such as cloak etc which gives him a temporary boost granting him huge amounts of chakra to spam jutsu and extra enhancement.

@Bold You really don't. Kushina became a jin because her strong chakra. Same as Naruto it was confirmed he could hold Kurama because he inherited Kushina's strong chakra.

More facts from you, I'm sure the Naruto fans will casually ignore them.

 

[Styles]

They do have a massive quantity of chakra, according to the DB.

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So large chakra reserves is proof that she's an Uzumaki. Yet somehow Kishi in the manga never said anything about them having large chakra reserves. And also said this is proof of being Uzumaki.

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Yea he did and what those fans ignore is that chakra that he recieved for 12+ years had become a permanent part of Naruto's reserves.

Naruto has 2 types of kyubi chakra, the fist is the internal one that mixes with his and also enhances him physically healing factor, recovery, endurance, durability and ever increasing chakra reserves. The second type which he draws on such as cloak etc which gives him a temporary boost granting him huge amounts of chakra to spam jutsu and extra enhancement.



More facts from you, I'm sure the Naruto fans will casually ignore them.

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[Shogo Makishima]

So large chakra reserves is proof that she's an Uzumaki. Yet somehow Kishi in the manga never said anything about them having large chakra reserves. And also said this is proof of being Uzumaki.

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It's mostly overlooked kushina and minato chakra was embedded in the seal supressing the nine tails from emerging fully. If anyone thinks naruto was supressing kurama on his own without chakra chains and while he was an infant shame on them really

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

It's mostly overlooked kushina and minato chakra was embedded in the seal supressing the nine tails from emerging fully. If anyone thinks naruto was supressing kurama on his own without chakra chains and while he was an infant shame on them really

Their chakra was in the seal so they could see Naruto again and for no other reason.

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[Char Aznable]

But. So6p said naruto didn't inherit anything from his parents.

Hagormo said that talent and skill is not hereditary. Minato was a genius, while Naruto was a doofus.

Physical traits, sharingan, high chakra reserves, other KKG are hereditary.

 

[Styles]

It's mostly overlooked kushina and minato chakra was embedded in the seal supressing the nine tails from emerging fully. If anyone thinks naruto was supressing kurama on his own without chakra chains and while he was an infant shame on them really

I think they just did that so Naruto wouldn't unleash the seal until he was ready like Minato's case vs pain. And like Kushina coming when he was ready.

 

[Uverdore9]

Hagormo said that talent and skill is not hereditary. Minato was a genius, while Naruto was a doofus.

Physical traits, sharingan, high chakra reserves, other KKG are hereditary.

Nah. He clearly said if your parents have this and that it doesn't mean you'll inherit them and this case uzumaki life force and spiral zetsu knows that he said naruto will die if thier is bijuu extraction applied in him.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Proof that Kurama hadn't been mingling with Naruto's chakra since forever and he had only recently started having the two mix after his encounter with Orochimaru(birth aside):

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Orochimaru clearly states they're on the brink of symbioses aka joining when he checks out Naruto. Naruto's chakra had not been mixing with the fox at that point.

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Jirayai attributes the unstable mixing to the odd numbered seal that Orochimaru placed. Of course there's the matter of leaked chakra meshing with Naruto's, but how many times did the fox's chakra leak at that point? Like thrice. Vs Haku, Vs that first fodder, and vs Orochimaru.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Proof that Kurama hadn't been mingling with Naruto's chakra since forever and he had only recently started having the two mix after his encounter with Orochimaru(birth aside):

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Orochimaru clearly states they're on the brink of symbioses aka joining when he checks out Naruto. Naruto's chakra had not been mixing with the fox at that point.

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Jirayai attributes the unstable mixing to the odd numbered seal that Orochimaru placed. Of course there's the matter of leaked chakra meshing with Naruto's, but how many times did the fox's chakra leak at that point? Like thrice. Vs Haku, Vs that first fodder, and vs Orochimaru.

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Clearly Kishi disagrees with you, Naruto confirms he's got lot of chakra and the reason go that is the 9 tails chakra he's been recieving all his life. So Orochimaru wasn't referring to the internal chakra. Yes Naruto has two types of 9 tails chakra one he draws on and the internal one that mixes with his.

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Naruto has internal 9 tails chakra which heals him. It's also the one that leaks and mixes with his. It's also separate to the cloak which Naruto draws on.

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As you can see the Naruto Orochimaru is reffering to is one that draws on the 9 tails's chakra to get stronger. Naruto's demon fox influence is evident on his face. The internal chakra that naruto receives and has been receiving for his whole life which raised his reseeves is different to this.

I think your either mistaking one type of chakra for the other or trying to lump both into one category which clearly isn't the case.