How strong is Adult Naruto without Kurama?

[HowDidIGetPrem]

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Clearly Kishi disagrees with you, Naruto clearly confirms he's got lot of chakra and the reason go that is the 9 tails chakra he's been recieving all his life.

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Naruto has internal 9 tails chakra which heals him. It's also the one that leaks and mixes with his. It's also separate to the cloak which Naruto draws on.

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As you can see the Naruto Orochimaru is reffering to is one that draws on the 9 tails's chakra to get stronger. Naruto's demon fox influence is evident on his face. The internal chakra that naruto receives and has been receiving for his whole life which raised his reseeves is different to this.

I think your either mistaking one type of chakra for the other or trying to lump both into one category which clearly isn't the case.

The source Naruto draws his cloak from is the internal one. There's only two sections of chakra, and one is his own, so there could be nowhere else for Naruto to draw the cloak from. Naruto never says he's constantly fed Kurama's chakra either; Only the chakra that leaks(when he draws out the cloak or his eyes change). Naruto never even attributes it as the sole reason. The influence on Naruto's face has been there since birth and is the result of the weakening of the seal, so it honestly is a part of Naruto even if the fox isn't as it isn't a consequence of him being a jin.

 

[Askeladd]

Still above Sasuke.

 

[salamander uchiha]

The source Naruto draws his cloak from is the internal one. There's only two sections of chakra, and one is his own, so there could be nowhere else for Naruto to draw the cloak from. Naruto never says he's constantly fed Kurama's chakra either; Only the chakra that leaks. Naruto never even attributes it as the sole reason. The influence on Naruto's face has been there since birth and is the result of the weakening of the seal, so it honestly is part of Naruto even if the fox isn't as it isn't a consequence of him being a jin.

What on earth are you talking about, the two are clearly different in effect even if the source is Kurama. Naruto doesn't need to state hes constantly fed Kurama's chakra the fact that he says his whole life automatically includes that. When a tap drips water, it drips constantly provided their is water to drip. It doesn't have a drip on and off time unless it's on a timer which isn't the case.

Nauto states he has lots of chakra. Why? He gives the reason as because he's been receiving the 9 tails chakra his whole life as his only reason. That is a self explanatory statement it doesn't require excuses.

As for Kurama's influence the only part of it which is Naruto are the whiskers, the sharp canine, deeping of whiskers and red eyes come from Naruto actually drawing on 9 tails chakra, which is sprat from the mixing chakra he receives.

 

[shadowcb]

Naruto would still be very strong. He would be Kage level and atl east stronger then any of the current kages.

Naruto's skills don't come from the 9 tails, in fact the 9 tails makes it harder for him to control his chakra so it would have been easier for him to learn and perfrom jutsu. Naruto would still have body that can handle any and all types of chakra, that includes tail beast chakra and sage chakra.

Naruto would still have a larger amount of chakra. Kishi tell us how much chakra Naruto gains from the 9 tails -

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- Seal Toad tells us Naruto only receives a small amount of chakra from the 9 tails. Some people will deny or ignore this fact, but the truth is this is the only scene in the manga that goes into detail exactly how the seal works and what Naruto needed to do to use the seal to get all of the 9 tails chakra.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

What on earth are you talking about, the two are clearly different even if the source is Kurama. Naruto doesn't need to state hes constantly fed Kurama's chakra the fact that he says his whole life automatically includes that. When a tap drips water, it drips constantly provided their is water to drip. It doesn't have a drip on and off time.

Nauto states he has lots of chakra. Why? He gives the reason as because he's been receiving the 9 tails chakra his whole life as his only reason. That is a self explanatory statement.

As for Kurama's influence the only part of it which is Naruto are the whiskers, the sharp canine, deeping of whiskers and red eyes come from Naruto actually drawing on 9 tails chakra, which is sprat from the mixing chakra he receives.

Naruto literally says he only gets what leaks from Kurama. Literally every time Kurama has leaked, it was accompanied by a cloak and a change in his eyes. I'm not saying Kurama doesn't feed Naruto. Simply that Kurama does not feed Naruto 24/7 as others seem to believe.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Naruto literally says he only gets what leaks from Kurama. Literally every time Kurama has leaked it, it was accompanied by a cloak and a change in his eyes. I'm not saying Kurama doesn't feed Naruto. Simply that Kurama does not feed Naruto 24/7 as others seem to believe.

Yes and the seal is designed so Naruto constantly receives chakra and it constantly mixes with his. Hence he gave the reason as receiving it his whole life red eyes or not. The whole life receipt of chakra doesn't include his eyes becoming red because at that time Naruto's actually drawing on the chakra directly from the 9 tails. That is different to what leaks and mixes with his. Also Kakashi confirms the 9 tails is the root of Naruto's stamina/chakra as early as part one so it played a significant part even at that point.

You are right in that Kurama doesn't constantly feed Naruto otherwise he'd have never run out of stamina/chakra. It's more like a leaking tap which over time adds to his reserves raising them many fold.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

what's your thoughts on Yamato assisting in suppressing Kurama's chakra as Naruto trained? I can't link the image, but when Kakashi says Naruto has about 4x his chakra and could have 100x it illustrates that he isn't just speaking of Naruto's own chakra tank. What I'm saying is pretty vague, but the idea is that Naruto doesn't have to consciously tap (aka draw on the chakra himself) into Kurama's reserves or have any particular emotion, and when it actually came about his features changed. It happened 100% own it's own as a slow transition that ramped up the more intensive the training got. Is that not the leak? Also, what leaks mixes, Naruto said that.

 

[salamander uchiha]

what's your thoughts on Yamato assisting in suppressing Kurama's chakra as Naruto trained? I can't link the image, but when Kakashi says Naruto has about 4x his chakra and could have 100x it illustrates that he isn't just speaking of Naruto's own chakra tank. What I'm saying is pretty vague, but the idea is that Naruto doesn't have to consciously tap (aka draw on the chakra himself) into Kurama's reserves or have any particular emotion, and when it actually came about his features changed. It happened 100% own it's own as a slow transition that ramped up the more intensive the training got. Is that not the leak? Also, what leaks mixes, Naruto said that.

That was suppressing the chakra Naruto draws on when he's frustrated/angry. It's different to the one mixing at a steady pace. Kakashi saying Naruto has 4 times his chakra actually includes that chakra already added to Naruto's reserves over the years there's no distinction between the 2 since its become a part of Naruto. Even Naruto counts that as his own chakra while confirming it's originally from the Kyubi when he's training with Killer Bee.

The chakra cloak that Naruto draws on can rise up to 100 times if not suppressed but that cloak is temporary. So Kakashi's statement in that instant is solely referring to the cloak and not the mixing chakra and that which has already mixed. Yamato suppresses that chakra not the internal chakra that been mixing from him being a host. I hope it's a lot clearer.

 

[To Whatever]

Naruto reserves would still be above average

 

[Styles]

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Clearly Kishi disagrees with you, Naruto confirms he's got lot of chakra and the reason go that is the 9 tails chakra he's been recieving all his life. So Orochimaru wasn't referring to the internal chakra. Yes Naruto has two types of 9 tails chakra one he draws on and the internal one that mixes with his.

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Naruto has internal 9 tails chakra which heals him. It's also the one that leaks and mixes with his. It's also separate to the cloak which Naruto draws on.

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As you can see the Naruto Orochimaru is reffering to is one that draws on the 9 tails's chakra to get stronger. Naruto's demon fox influence is evident on his face. The internal chakra that naruto receives and has been receiving for his whole life which raised his reseeves is different to this.

I think your either mistaking one type of chakra for the other or trying to lump both into one category which clearly isn't the case.

Dayum.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

That was suppressing the chakra Naruto draws on when he's frustrated/angry. It's different to the one mixing at a steady pace. Kakashi saying Naruto has 4 times his chakra actually includes that chakra already added to Naruto's reserves over the years there's no distinction between the 2 since its become a part of Naruto. Even Naruto counts that as his own chakra while confirming it's originally from the Kyubi when he's training with Killer Bee.

The chakra cloak that Naruto draws on can rise up to 100 times if not suppressed but that cloak is temporary. So Kakashi's statement in that instant is solely referring to the cloak and not the mixing chakra and that which has already mixed. Yamato suppresses that chakra not the internal chakra that been mixing from him being a host. I hope it's a lot clearer.

The cloak would be the same, he’d just be able to do more shit. The cloak we see pre kcm is the kyuubi starting to take over in narutos moments of mental weakness. Kakashis statement was if he had direct access like he does in bm and above(which actually holds weight if you count all the shit naruto did involving chakra, sharing chakra, etc. after he gains bm) your right about what Yamato is suppressing though. The thing is; I think it’s all the same chakra regardless. The cloaks only came up cause kurama was the one in somewhat control and able to let out more of his own chakra, thus the cloaks. I personally don’t think it’s seperate chakra. It’s the same chakra that’s mixing with narutos, just the kyuubi himself using it(and thus, being able to use much more of it) wasn’t trying to debate or anything your post just got me thinking about it

 

[Greatness23]

Still kage level, not in the God class obviously, but he'd separate himself from the pack in another war. Sauce would be the stallion who mouts the world of course.

 

[Detonator99]

Cant believe that till this day this peeps stilll think that naruto is using chakra from kurama all the time

Even after orochimaru placed a seal on him witch would prevent him from drawing any chakra from the nine tails at any cost and made his own chakra unstable kabuto still said that his chakra was immense and he would be a monster once he master it.

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Also not forgetting that kishi stated he was able to do the multi shadow clone jutsu with his own chakra and not kuramas.

 

[Michael]

Still kage level, not in the God class obviously, but he'd separate himself from the pack in another war. Sauce would be the stallion who mouts the world of course.

As ashura incarnite, Naruto's power was bound to suffice for sasuke. It's sad people don't understand that a weak Naruto = weak sasuke. Yin & Yang dynamic kishi made this clear.

 

[Greatness23]

As ashura incarnite, Naruto's power was bound to suffice for sasuke. It's sad people don't understand that a weak Naruto = weak sasuke. Yin & Yang dynamic kishi made this clear.

That makes zero sense

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Also not forgetting that kishi stated he was able to do the multi shadow clone jutsu with his own chakra and not kuramas.

At this point, Kishi's words are no different than the databook's.

 

[Detonator99]

At this point, Kishi's words are no different than the databook's.

Pretty much am refering in the databok of course lol people always acting like it wasn't written by kishi himself.

 

[esenn1]

I'm a Naruto fan. But I confess that if he hadn't had Kurama, he wouldn't have had any chance against an upper-normal Ninja

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Mid-high Kage tier imo. But its really difficult to say considering most of his techniques and style revolves around Kurama. That's how Kishi developed him to be.

 

[Chaosmark101]

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Kishi's words >>>>> Fanboy opinions