how powerful was ashura without help?

[Naruto X Hunter]

Uhmm...what? Were talking about what they did in VoTe 2 and their abilities in VoTe 2, adding in abillities they have but did not use is ridiculous since were not creating a hypothetical battle between them, were discussing an actual battle from the manga. Stick with the discussion bud.



Okay, then explain to me, if Sasuke is so "powerful" on his own, why would he need bijuu chakra? Why would he take it in the first place? And if he was strong enough without the bijuu, then how come he still tied when he got the bijuu? You realize Sasuke with bijuu is stronger than Sasuke without bijuu? Yet he tied with Naruto.



Yes, and then he took the bijuu chakra.



Just because Naruto used a dumb technique doesn't mean he wasn't serious, he was trying to distract Kaguya, which worked, it was a plan he formed with Sasuke, which Sasuke agreed to, so if Naruto wasn't serious, Sasuke wouldn't have been serious either, since he knew exactly what Naruto was talking about, and allowed it, if he was serious, he would have told Naruto not to be stupid and do something like that. So its obvious they were serious.



Stop putting words into my mouth, i never said that, your the one going off saying "Ohhh, Sasuke was strong enough already but he wanted Naruto to get serious by getting bijuu chakra" and im stating that he didn't even get serious when Sasuke got the bijuu chakra, trust me buddy, the only one desperately trying to put one character over another is you, i never even stated Naruto > Sasuke and you go on putting words in my mouth.



Sasuke didn't "own" the bijuu, he just had them under genjutsu, and let me ask you this, Kurama was also put into genjutsu, why could Naruto talk to him? Half of Kurama means half of Kurama's chakra, which means Naruto had kurama's chakra and not kurama entirely, just like he had the bijuu chakra, yet he could talk to kurama. We clearly saw Kurama being put in a genjutsu too. Yet Naruto was talking to him throughout the battle.



Okay, first of all, what are you talking about? What winner of the battle? The winner of VoTe 2 was Naruto (Before you start saying the common arguments such as "Ohhh they were both in the same condition" let me just say that if a person admits defeat, that means he is defeated regardless of the condition of both fighters). Were not talking about a different fight, i don't know what your talking about, im talking about VoTe 2, and thats what we were debating about the whole time, your throwing the topic in all these directions. What winner? What reasoning? What battle?

Plot that's why.Duh.

Sasuke knew the gay technique was ridiculous,and after it failed he said he knew it wouldn't work.Remember during the Madara battle when Naruto said it pissed him off how he always followed orders from Sasuke,and hasn't changed? Well Sasuke decided to go with Naruto's naked males plan that time,which failed.Sasuke's usually the Boss for a reason.

I would post all the pages i'm referring too but i'm tired.

And no Naruto wasn't entirely serious.Sasuke was the one who was focused on the enemy infront of them.Sasuke attacked Kaguya as soon as he could,meanwhile Naruto is too busy worried about Obito to fight Kaguya,even while the world was at stake.Sasuke even tells Naruto to join him against Kaguya,that there's nothing he can do to save Obito,Naruto says nothing,so Sasuke fights her on his own.Sasuke tried getting Naruto to focus multiple times in that battle before that aswell.

And in their battle,the Kyuubi is the one who tells Naruto wassup,so he actually is aware of the gravity of the situation.You can tell your kid how important it is too look both ways while crossing the street,yet he may still not take it serious...

Wow,you are actually mixing up the Bijuu now.By "own" i mean he solo'd them.Sasuke solo'd the YANG Kyuubi,Naruto had the YIN Kyuubi inside of him.

I'm not throwing the topic off topic,you are just failing to get things,like Naruto does until someone (usually Sasuke),sets him straight.

The battle was a draw.Sasuke lost an ideals,not the physical battle which was obviously a draw.

Yet Sasuke still felt the need to use their power through the fight. Naruto only ever used Kurama the TB given to him during a child. nearly his own power. If he had used the other TB's then he would of used that OP 9 TB RS he used against Kaguya on Sasuke but I guess he didn't.

Read my comments above,i've already countered this.

 

[UzumakiWade]

Plot that's why.Duh.

What was plot? Naruto couldn't use the other bijuu's because of plot? or what?

Sasuke knew the gay technique was ridiculous,and after it failed he said he knew it wouldn't work.Remember during the Madara battle when Naruto said it pissed him off how he always followed orders from Sasuke,and hasn't changed? Well Sasuke decided to go with Naruto's naked males plan that time,which failed.Sasuke's usually the Boss for a reason.

And you want to know why he let Naruto do the thinking that time? Because they were out of options and out of ideas, they didn't know what to do, and whatever shot they could blow against Kaguya was relevant. So since they were out of options, Naruto's jutsu had a chance, and it did distract her temporarily, just not enough time for them to seal her. But it still partially worked.

I would post all the pages i'm referring too but i'm tired.

I get where your referring to

And no Naruto wasn't entirely serious.Sasuke was the one who was focused on the enemy infront of them.Sasuke attacked Kaguya as soon as he could,meanwhile Naruto is too busy worried about Obito,Sasuke even tells Naruto to join him against Kaguya,that there's nothing he can do to save Obito,Naruto says,nothing,so Sasuke fights her on his own.Sasuke tried getting Naruto to focus multiple times in that battle.

Naruto was only worried about Obito after he got killed, and let me just mention that Naruto was doing the most in the Kaguya fight, definitely more than Sasuke, Naruto was dealing serious damage while Sasuke was getting pushed around. Show me anything Sasuke did to Kaguya that is as impressive as when Naruto took off her arm.

And i n their battle,the Kyuubi is the one who tells Naruto wassup,so he actually is aware of the gravity of the situation.You can tell your kid how important it is too look both ways while crossing the street,yet he may still not take it serious...

Kyuubi wasn't helping Naruto in any way besides power-wise, he was giving Naruto power, thats basically it.

Wow,you are actually mixing up the Bijuu now.By "own" i mean he solo'd them.Sasuke solo'd the YANG Kyuubi,Naruto had the YIN Kyuubi inside of him.

When did i mix them up? I said half of Kurama, isn't Yin Kurama half of kurama? Thats what i was talking about lol.

I'm not throwing the topic off topic,you are just failing to get things,like Naruto does until someone (usually Sasuke),sets him straight.

More like your failing to do things right, just like Sasuke does until someone sets him straight( usually Naruto).

The battle was a draw.Sasuke lost an ideals,not the physical battle which was obviously a draw.

Let me ask you one more thing, your in a battle, you don't want to continue the fight, yet you can't win, what do you do to tell the person you give up? Verbally admit defeat. Sasuke did the same, Naruto wanted to continue the fight, Sasuke admitted defeat. Whatever reason you can give, you can't deny Sasuke admitted his defeat whether they were in the same condition or not.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

How Powerful is Indra without his eyes? Yep more then likely weaker then Ashura is without the help of others I'd guess.