how powerful was ashura without help?

[Narutohokage324]

yeah... 10vs 1 is own power

You do realize that Hagoromo split the Juubi on his deathbed right? DB and manga confirms it o -o

 

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You do realize that Hagoromo split the Juubi on his deathbed right? DB and manga confirms it o -o

?i was talking about....shikaku + kuuybi + hachibi,etc +ashura vs indra... 10 character vs 1 character

 

[Narutohokage324]

?i was talking about....shikaku + kuuybi + hachibi,etc +ashura vs indra... 10 character vs 1 character

You do realize that the Tailed Beasts were not created until Hagoromo was on his deathbed, right?

 

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You do realize that the Tailed Beasts were not created until Hagoromo was on his deathbed, right?

and? ....

 

[Aznkidd]

If you ever read the manga at all, you will notice that power comes from friendship > invidual.
Like how naruto able to defeat gaara, because it wasnt helps from sasuke or helps from sakura. Because the power come from

Protecting the precious one

Next time read the manga again before you making any false assumption.

 

[itsxtrayy]

The power bloomed inside of himself, but without others helping him pave the way. Weaker than him

Indra descendants aren't all that powerful by themselves. Madara need the Kyuubi to even clash with Hashirama, and Sasuke still needed Tailed Beasts to fight with Naruto

I find your comment about Sasuke hilarious, it's true he needed the bijuu power to fight Naruto, but your saying that like Naruto didn't have all of the bijuu's inside him and especially Kurama gathering Huge amounts of nature chakra for him. Any fight against Naruto is automatically at least 2 on 1.

 

[Narutohokage324]

and? ....

He didn't have TB. His power is his own.

 

[Tarinth]

I'd just like to quickly point out that Ashura was always the talentless one from birth, not up
to the point of the fight. It was pretty clearly stated that his power was his own, but that in order
to fully utilize his powers, he needed the aid of others. In other words, he always had the power to
match up to his brother, but he wasn't a prodigy at utilizing it like Indra. Only by working with others (making
friends and developing strong bonds and the desire to help others) did he find the way to fully realize
his powers. (I.E. Naruto always had Kurama (although in Ashura's case it was just his own dormant powers))
but still was wrecked by others much weaker than Kurama until he figured out to finally truly use that power.

There's no need to continually try to prove that Sasuke or the Indra line, or the Uchiha clan as a whole is better
than the Senjus. They are more or less all equal (there are exceptions but overall it's pretty balanced so just
get over it)

 

[Omar19992010]

Ashura is a weaker version of RSM Naruto and Indra is a weaker version of Rinnegan Sasuke.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

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The power bloomed inside of himself, but without others helping him pave the way. Weaker than him

Indra descendants aren't all that powerful by themselves. Madara need the Kyuubi to even clash with Hashirama, and Sasuke still needed Tailed Beasts to fight with Naruto

Sasuke didn't need the Bijuus to fight Naruto.It was the opposite,Naruto needed the Bijuu to fight Sasuke.

 

[sasukesworld]

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I can't rep you, but you're right.
Good scan.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

I can't rep you, but you're right.
Good scan.

lol,it's us 3 on another thread.Me,you,and the OP. We make a great team,but unlike Ashura we can Solo alone.

Prove me wrong with manga facts --> if you don't have them don't bs (one picture with Ashura with a bunch of people behind him does not mean anything)

We all know Kishi loves parallels, so by looking at Naruto&Sasuke and Madara&Hashirama we can easily extrapolate that they were equal.

Naruto with half Kurama matched Sasuke with all Biiju chakra.
Hashi kicked Madara's ass, even though Madara had Kurama.

He already posted facts,Ashura couldn't do anything alone.The Sage made that clear when describing his son.Yet you deny Ashura needed his large group of buddies to even think about posing a match against Indra.

I wonder how many of them lost their lives that day.

Also,Naruto had chakra from all the Bijuu aswell.The Sage said it twice,but then again,you do deny the Sage's own words so perhaps you think he's lying.

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Naruto needed the Bijuu to pose a match against Sasuke.Sasuke didn't need them to beat Sasuke,same as he didn't the other 3 times he stomped him.

This. In the next page of that scan, Hagoromo said Ashura's chakra bloomed; that's what put him on Indra level. Nothing said he had Bijuus, Naruto's RM is what he got after getting Hagoromo yang chakra which represents Ashura who had yang powers while Indra had yin.

Also Hagoromo story has him naming Ashura as his heir which starts the brother's feud then he goes on about splitting the Juubi into the Bijuus and sending them off if I remember right.

We saw a panel of their battle.Ashura was in Kyuubi mode so yeah,he had atleast one of his Bijuu Bros backing him up.

Slight correction.

He didn't need them to fight naruto.
He needed them to stop their stalemating and to kill naruto.

Correction,he took them to force Naruto to realize he had ti fight seriously,then Naruto used almost all his chakra fighting BPS Sasuke,then the Kyuubi gathered,and gave all the nature energy aboveground to Naruto while Naruto was to busy fighting Sasuke to gather chakra on his own.

This guy... Lol

Just so you know, Ashura has never been stated to have used the Biju.

Correct,but we saw him use a Kyuubi avatar.

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I find your comment about Sasuke hilarious, it's true he needed the bijuu power to fight Naruto, but your saying that like Naruto didn't have all of the bijuu's inside him and especially Kurama gathering Huge amounts of nature chakra for him. Any fight against Naruto is automatically at least 2 on 1.

Sasuke didn't need thr Bijuu.But yeah you're right about everything else you said in your comment.That's how some Naruto Fans are.

 

[UzumakiWade]

Well not counting Indra's spoonfeeds (EMS, Rinnegan, if he has those), then they're still pretty much equal.
Wow at the "Naruto needed bijuu's to fight Sasuke" sure, more like Sasuke + Rinnegan + EMS needed Rinnegan + EMS + Bijuu's to continue fighting on par with Naruto who didn't use any of the other bijuu techs, only kurama. If Sasuke didn't need bijuu's, why would he use them when his intention was to destroy them?

 

[Sageflash]

Stronger than Sasuke

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Well not counting Indra's spoonfeeds (EMS, Rinnegan, if he has those), then they're still pretty much equal.
Wow at the "Naruto needed bijuu's to fight Sasuke" sure, more like Sasuke + Rinnegan + EMS needed Rinnegan + EMS + Bijuu's to continue fighting on par with Naruto who didn't use any of the other bijuu techs, only kurama. If Sasuke didn't need bijuu's, why would he use them when his intention was to destroy them?

Look at how you are purposefully mentioning Sasuke's powers,and not all of Naruto's - Naruto had SM,RM, Yin Kyuubi,aswell as chakra from the other bijuus.Plus while Naruto was too busy fighting Sasuke to gather chakra on his own,the Kyuubi did it for him by gathering all the natural energy aboveground,and giving it to Naruto,which Naruto then used to make Senjutsu.I said this above already.

Why did you choose to reply about a select portion of my comment? So i would have to repeat myself? Sasuke took chakra from the Bijuu to force Naruto to realize he had to fight seriously. Powerwise it wasn't neccessary to take them,he could have just continuosly fought Naruto,while Naruto underestimated him,then end up finishing him early.

Instead he gave Naruto warnings to get serious.Naruto couldn't use the other Bijuus abilities because he hadn't learned how to use them,or do you believe he mastered all their moves? Each time he used it he had their help,he made a Rasengan,or RasenShuriken,and they applied their chakra to it,or do you think he called out for their help each time he ever used their technique for no reason?

 

[V h o]

Nothing never said Ashura had bijuu, don't know where that fanfic comes from. Also we don't know what his comrades did to help Ashura.

 

[UzumakiWade]

Look at how you are purposefully mentioning Sasuke's powers,and not all of Naruto's - Naruto had SM,RM, Yin Kyuubi,aswell as chakra from the other bijuus.

SM = Power-up that Naruto trained for, so not really a handout.
RM = Sage power-up
Bijuu chakra= sage power up, RM and Bijuu chakra are the same thing. Doesn't really matter because let me ask you this, Do you have a scan of Naruto using any other Rasenshurikens besides TBB and regular rasenshuriken?

Why did you choose to reply about a select portion of my comment? So i would have to repeat myself? Sasuke took chakra from the Bijuu to force Naruto to realize he had to fight seriously. Powerwise it wasn't neccessary to take them,he could have just continuosly fought Naruto,while Naruto underestimated him,then end up finishing him early.

1.Yes
2. And you know why? Because Sasuke couldn't force Naruto to become serious himself, because Naruto knew Sasuke alone wasn't powerful enough to be able to kill him, so he didn't have to take him seriously.
3. It wasn't necessary? Let me ask you something, when you gain another power, which makes you stronger than you were before, and when you don't win in a fight, how the hell would the weaker version of you be able to fight and kill the person the stronger version of you couldn't kill? Underestimating or not, Naruto wouldn't have died, even when Sasuke got the bijuu's, Naruto wasn't serious even then. Only when he formed those two rasenshuriken to fight against Sasuke's Indra's Arrow thats when he got serious, even Sasuke mentions : "So you finally want to kill me, Naruto"

Instead he gave Naruto warnings to get serious.Naruto couldn't use the other Bijuus abilities because he hadn't learned how to use them,or do you believe he mastered all their moves? Each time he used it he had their help,he made a Rasengan,or RasenShuriken,and they applied their chakra to it,or do you think he called out for their help each time he ever used their technique for no reason?

And whats stopping him from doing that again? Tell me why he couldn't call any of the bijuu's besides Kurama this time? He still had their chakra inside him, so nothing was stopping him from calling one of them.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

SM = Power-up that Naruto trained for, so not really a handout.
RM = Sage power-up
Bijuu chakra= sage power up, RM and Bijuu chakra are the same thing. Doesn't really matter because let me ask you this, Do you have a scan of Naruto using any other Rasenshurikens besides TBB and regular rasenshuriken?




1.Yes
2. And you know why? Because Sasuke couldn't force Naruto to become serious himself, because Naruto knew Sasuke alone wasn't powerful enough to be able to kill him, so he didn't have to take him seriously.
3. It wasn't necessary? Let me ask you something, when you gain another power, which makes you stronger than you were before, and when you don't win in a fight, how the hell would the weaker version of you be able to fight and kill the person the stronger version of you couldn't kill? Underestimating or not, Naruto wouldn't have died, even when Sasuke got the bijuu's, Naruto wasn't serious even then. Only when he formed those two rasenshuriken to fight against Sasuke's Indra's Arrow thats when he got serious, even Sasuke mentions : "So you finally want to kill me, Naruto"





And whats stopping him from doing that again? Tell me why he couldn't call any of the bijuu's besides Kurama this time? He still had their chakra inside him, so nothing was stopping him from calling one of them.

We are talking about Naruto Vs Sasuke as a whole.So to not list Naruto's powers is ridiculous.As i said,Naruto could only use their special abilities cause he had their help,and yes Naruto did have chakra from all the Bijuus.

Sasuke could of forced Naruto to get serious.You assume he couldn't because he took chakra from the Bijuu.It's not like Sasuke went all out,and Naruto shrugged it off.It's not like Sasuke used most of his own chakra whilst going all out and Naruto shrugged it off,then he decided to take the Bijuus chakra as a last resort.

Instead Sasuke flawlessly put all the Bijuu in Genjutsu,then Chibaku Tensei,with absolute ease,and had them suspended in the air while he fought Naruto all throughout chapter 695,using multiple techniques all without showing any sign off exhuastion.

But Sasuke taking chakra from the Bijuu is convienent to you,cause you can act like that was neccesary.You do realize Naruto is the guy who was tramsforming into a bunch of naked males in the most important battle in history,against the strongest person in history,with the world at stake right? Naruto wasn't serious against Kaguya,does that mean he was stronger than her,and could beat her alone? No.

But Naruto not being serious right away against Sasuke means he's stronger than him,and could beat him right? To you yes.Due to not ever even thinking about what i just said about how Naruto is with Kaguya,and wanting to put Naruto above Sasuke.

Sasuke owned the Bijuu,so Naruto couldn't get support from his Bijuus bros.He had their chakra to use,but he couldn't talk to all 9 of them for help against Sasuke,like calling upon four tails again to load up some magma style,or one tails for some magnet.Sasuke made sure Naruto would only have one helper.

Also,the winner of the battle isn't the one who can make the bigger explosions.It could end without it.I'll give my reasonings some other time.I'm not going fully in depth now.

 

[UzumakiWade]

We are talking about Naruto Vs Sasuke as a whole.So to not list Naruto's powers is ridiculous.As i said,Naruto could only use their special abilities cause he had their help,and yes Naruto did have chakra from all the Bijuus.

Uhmm...what? Were talking about what they did in VoTe 2 and their abilities in VoTe 2, adding in abillities they have but did not use is ridiculous since were not creating a hypothetical battle between them, were discussing an actual battle from the manga. Stick with the discussion bud.

Sasuke could of forced Naruto to get serious.You assume he couldn't because he took chakra from the Bijuu.It's not like Sasuke went all out,and Naruto shrugged it off.It's not like Sasuke used most of his own chakra whilst going all out and Naruto shrugged it off,then he decided to take the Bijuus chakra as a last resort.

Okay, then explain to me, if Sasuke is so "powerful" on his own, why would he need bijuu chakra? Why would he take it in the first place? And if he was strong enough without the bijuu, then how come he still tied when he got the bijuu? You realize Sasuke with bijuu is stronger than Sasuke without bijuu? Yet he tied with Naruto.

Instead Sasuke flawlessly put all the Bijuu in Genjutsu,then Chibaku Tensei,with absolute ease,and had them suspended in the air while he fought Naruto all throughout chapter 695,using multiple techniques all without showing any sign off exhuastion.

Yes, and then he took the bijuu chakra.

But Sasuke taking chakra from the Bijuu is convienent to you,cause you can act like that was neccesary.You do realize Naruto is the guy who was tramsforming into a bunch of naked males in the most important battle in history,against the strongest person in history,with the world at stake right? Naruto wasn't serious against Kaguya,does that mean he was stronger than her,and could beat her alone? No.

Just because Naruto used a dumb technique doesn't mean he wasn't serious, he was trying to distract Kaguya, which worked, it was a plan he formed with Sasuke, which Sasuke agreed to, so if Naruto wasn't serious, Sasuke wouldn't have been serious either, since he knew exactly what Naruto was talking about, and allowed it, if he was serious, he would have told Naruto not to be stupid and do something like that. So its obvious they were serious.

But Naruto not being serious right away against Sasuke means he's stronger than him,and could beat him right? To you yes.Due to not ever even thinking about what i just said about how Naruto is with Kaguya,and wanting to put Naruto above Sasuke.

Stop putting words into my mouth, i never said that, your the one going off saying "Ohhh, Sasuke was strong enough already but he wanted Naruto to get serious by getting bijuu chakra" and im stating that he didn't even get serious when Sasuke got the bijuu chakra, trust me buddy, the only one desperately trying to put one character over another is you, i never even stated Naruto > Sasuke and you go on putting words in my mouth.

Sasuke owned the Bijuu,so Naruto couldn't get support from his Bijuus bros.He had their chakra to use,but he couldn't talk to all 9 of them for help against Sasuke,like calling upon four tails again to load up some magma style,or one tails for some magnet.Sasuke made sure Naruto would only have one helper.

Sasuke didn't "own" the bijuu, he just had them under genjutsu, and let me ask you this, Kurama was also put into genjutsu, why could Naruto talk to him? Half of Kurama means half of Kurama's chakra, which means Naruto had kurama's chakra and not kurama entirely, just like he had the bijuu chakra, yet he could talk to kurama. We clearly saw Kurama being put in a genjutsu too. Yet Naruto was talking to him throughout the battle.

Also,the winner of the battle isn't the one who can make the bigger explosions.It could end without it.I'll give my reasonings some other time.I'm not going fully in depth now.

Okay, first of all, what are you talking about? What winner of the battle? The winner of VoTe 2 was Naruto (Before you start saying the common arguments such as "Ohhh they were both in the same condition" let me just say that if a person admits defeat, that means he is defeated regardless of the condition of both fighters). Were not talking about a different fight, i don't know what your talking about, im talking about VoTe 2, and thats what we were debating about the whole time, your throwing the topic in all these directions. What winner? What reasoning? What battle?

 

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Sasuke didn't need the Bijuus to fight Naruto.It was the opposite,Naruto needed the Bijuu to fight Sasuke.

Yet Sasuke still felt the need to use their power through the fight. Naruto only ever used Kurama the TB given to him during a child. nearly his own power. If he had used the other TB's then he would of used that OP 9 TB RS he used against Kaguya on Sasuke but I guess he didn't.