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You missed my point :bdpf:
I am saying it's a fanfic scale because it is nonsensical
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How powerful is Beerus? [Analysis]
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So can we all agree as far as Death Battle is concerned that Goku or Beerus can definitely kill Superman?
That and Goku has a better outfit than that Man of Steel.
That and Goku has a better outfit than that Man of Steel.
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Is there a fact that supports that its limited to 200 billion galaxies? Its more believable that the universe in endless rather than its stopping somewhere with a sign that says "end of universe". We don't have an technology even 1% advanced enough to prove anything of the sort. So kindly change your name to son jackass.
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Apparently your validity > NASA? For starters, the Universe keeps expanding, it isn't by default endless. For now NASA has posed a shadow of doubt regarding "200 billion galaxies" existing in the observable universe. Furthermore, you don't need to drag irrelevant topics to a post debating fiction not real life. "Name to Son jackass". Are you implying that insults would solidify your argument? What if I said "Are you retarded!?" Due to the lack of intellectual process on the topic?
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Quotation from elder Kai, "There will be nothing left in the Universe" that's material destruction, not timeline. I really don't why that's so hard to grasp.Nothing = No space or time :sdo:
How would trunks and Black be affected??? Once you disturb a timeline, a separate universe is created hence "multiverse":sdo: meaning you're breaking laws of fiction as well as physics. Stop playing with "fanfic scales which prove nothing other than hype of nonsensical explanations :|
There is no call to action/conclusion question on this paragraph...
Fiction was created to defy the laws of physics.In RL, surpassing the speed of light is't possible. And even if it was, characters like Superman, Flash, Beerus doing it all the time does not hold negative effects on the planet according to the theory of relativity. So yes its best to keep the hypothetical real life concepts aside fiction and go by what's established.
And if you wanna keep derailing the actual topic at hand, be my guest..
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Fiction defies the laws of physics? Wrong, what you call fiction should be interpreted as a seperate universe. Taking yours example that states surpassing the speed of light is a impossible feat. As of yet it is a impossible feat in this universe, but the others like DBZ, DC, Marvel are able to since their own laws allow them to.
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The definition of fiction itself is "literature in the form of prose, especially novels, that describes imaginary events and people". Some fiction tend to follow RL physics whereas some of them don't. Especially Dragonball since they've shown time travel capabilities, SoL+ travel and inverse shockwaves. The entire argument was made regarding if the universe is endless or not. There isn't a definite answer in real life, but in fiction there certainly is. Darkseid's death was collapsing 52 universes. Dr strange explained that there's a high dimensional existence known as the "multiverse". We've seen additional cosmos in Dragonball such as the kaioh realm and the nameless planet where the tournament was conducted. I emphasized that there are destructive capicity tiers which surpass universal in fiction, but people sadly misinterpreted that.
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The one punch man? Lol its a great anime with a ridiculous fan base. The reason Saitama "one shots" the opponent is cus they're comparatively weak. There's no guarantee this ability would be applicable against verses who have shown greater feats like take Goku for example. Goku survived universe crumbling blows from Beerus. That's sufficient evidence that he can tank all of Saitama's punches since Saitama lacks striking feats on that level of magnitude. Debates are judged by facts, and if you can't prove something, the assertion would be inapplicable.
The point of Saitama's character is to one punch everything...He'll kill Goku with a serious punch. He's a parody character, it's not so much that the fan base is ridiculous but rather the DBZ fanbase is butthurt to see someone stronger than Goku.
It's nice that you're showing destructive power feats but it doesn't mean much in VS debates when their reaction speeds are unknown or just fan made (which can usually be proven to be inconsistent). When people do VS debates and especially with a series like DBZ, they value destructive power too much and overlook reaction feats.
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That's not debates work though. In versus standards, feats hold greater merit than anything. The author simply potrays Saitama as an overpowering being living amongst fodders. For example, if current Goku was sent back to the Android arc, he'd be one shotting anyone he faces since his stats dwarf them comparatively. A Parody character is someone like Bugs Bunny, Bobobo, Toribot, etc. One which doesn't follow the fictions logic. Saitama however DOES. He doesn't go out of his fiction and kill the author, he doesn't pull house sized constructs inexplicably out of nowhere, he doesn't get killed and reappears without explanation. The fact he provides a recurring "gag" (aka being too strong for everyone in his verse) doesn't make him a parody character in the strict sense of the word. He doesn't have "toonforce" type abilities, otherwise Yamcha is a "parody" character as well since his incompetence is used as comedy several times. Or Chichi is a "parody" character because she can scare Goku no matter how strong he gets.
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To add on, "Reaction speed" is a fallacy per se. Travel speed correlates to reaction speed since the brain perceives the speed being travelled. Simplification? Think of a character who can travel massively faster than light. Now, he's supposed to travel across a path filled with obstacles. For him to successfully make it to the other side, he'd have to avoid bumping into those objects and to do that, his reaction speed should approximately be equal to his travel speed.
Beerus is massively faster than light in terms of travel speed. There have been highball calcs suggesting Quadrillions and reasonable ones suggesting Billions. And this is due to the fact that he can keep up with 2/3rd the speed of Whis. This was shown in DBS (episode 2). And Whis has a travel speed feat of travelling across five galaxies in a timeframe of 35 minutes. The fact that Whis is able to halt and ovoid the meteoroids and other celestial objects encountered in the space is enough evidence that his reaction is >/= to his travel.
Beerus is massively faster than light in terms of travel speed. There have been highball calcs suggesting Quadrillions and reasonable ones suggesting Billions. And this is due to the fact that he can keep up with 2/3rd the speed of Whis. This was shown in DBS (episode 2). And Whis has a travel speed feat of travelling across five galaxies in a timeframe of 35 minutes. The fact that Whis is able to halt and ovoid the meteoroids and other celestial objects encountered in the space is enough evidence that his reaction is >/= to his travel.
Lol you don't get it. Saitama was made to one shot everything. He's a paraody of characters/series who strive to be the strongest. It's a title that he's the one punch man so in this case we don't have to value feats so much.
It's not. Characters could have different levels of movement speed & reaction speed, most times it's not the same. Unless you can pull out a statement where it's said that Beerus has the same movement/reaction speed.
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lmao please, put beerus in OPM universe and he'd also be the "one punch" god.