[Discussion] How is Luffy supposed to beat Doflamingo when...

[Anduril]

I am sick of people underestimating luffy.
Dofa is shit in comparison to luffy.

 

[TheHokage]

A fight is a fight. :|

Yes, he was. But you're forgetting one very important detail mate: Sanji didn't even remotely go all-out.

Sanji didn't go all out you say he used his strongest attacks Diable Jambe and it had no effect on him at all and Vergo didn't even use Haki like he did against Smoker.

Cool, Smoker hit Vergo. But what I said was one DJ from Sanji sent Vergo into a wall. Whereas Smoker went all-out and didn't do such a feat.

Smoker sent Vergo flying with a elbow and punch so your point makes no sense the only reason Smoker's hits started to take no damage because Vergo was using his Haki to protect him.

I'm basing Smoker's Haki being weak not with Vergo - but with Law. Why? Because if his Haki was indeed strong (not as strong as Vergo's though, but strong), his heart wouldn't be extracted from a little push from Law. Since Smoker himself stated those techs won't work so well on a proficient Haki user. Furthermore, since you love bringing Vergo into a debate regarding Sanji & Smoker - Vergo was only cut in half by Law because Law went all-out with his swing. So comparing his heart-nudge and mountain-cutter is not suffice.

What? Haki doesn't protect someone from Law's devil fruit powers Smoker stated Tashigi's haki wasn't strong enough because she attempted to fight him in a sword fight and she immediately lost having her sword cut in half and even then it doesn't mean Smokers haki is weak because he was hit by Laws attack since the technique he used was intended to take his heart if Law had used that on anyone else and hit the same thing would have happened. We have no idea how strong Smoker's haki is and trying to measure from his battle with Vergo is stupid since Vergo specialized in Haki.

So has Coby. And the funny thing is, that claim you just pointed out, is in favor Coby being the Garp to Luffy's Roger. Why? Because they both started their journey together - Luffy found his first crew-member and Coby became a marine.

Please Coby has traveled under Garp's wing through the Grandline...Also you seem to think both Garp and Roger started at the same time like Luffy and Coby where the hell was stated. All we know from Garp and Roger's relationship was they battled constantly across the Grandline and even almost killed each other several times we also know they weren't friends also name one pirate that's afraid of Coby.

yes, it would make sense if they're equally strong or Luffy is slightly weaker, but their simply not.

On what bases is this based off? The only fight we've seen Smoker in was against someone who had better Haki than him Luffy would not be able to do the same haki feats as Vergo so the battle would be a lot more of a slug fest where they would be constantly getting damaged unlike the battle with Vergo the only reason Smoker lost was because of Vergo's haki.

Funny thing is I don't care if Coby's the Garp to Luffy's Roger. Since I find these parallels in OP childish. All I care is if Coby is Luffy's end-all rival.

So let me ask why do you always deny declaim Smoker then whenever the topic comes up, I've never denied Coby will be one of Luffy's last fights in One Piece however he's not the Garp of the Generation just because he's Luffy's rival he doesn't strike fear in the hearts of pirates like Smoker does also Smoker has set his position in stone by fighting against and with the Supernova who are the main pirates for the new era.

2.) I don't downplay his strength, lol. I just post to how my deduction of OP dictates. Hell, the M3 are my fav characters, but I downplay the fvck out of them when people say they're Top TIER's. Additionally, albeit I love Kidd's character, if you check a thread I posted in recently, you'll see I went outta my way to prove he's weak in front of Luffy & Law.

So you admit you show favoritism in your opinions when it comes to the characters you like?

No matter how much you deny it...without Smoker Law couldn't have defeated Vergo in that fight without his devil fruit Law would have been defeated.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

How's Luffy supposed to beat Doflamingo when Sanji and Smoker got raped? Both are on the same tier and are only slightly weaker than Luffy. Doflamingo No-diffed both. Going by that he should be able to No-Low diff Luffy. How is Luffy supposed to win?

The way I see it, Dodo's on a whole different league.

Luffy vs Doflamingo. It will take forever to see that coming. I can't imagine how the fight will look like. However, no one cares how Luffy will win against Doflamingo. We want them to face each other. I'll make sure to buy Raffaelo and few RedBull.

 

[ziggyZ]

That's irrelevant in the Smoker/Sanji match up.

Then why bring it up?

No, he wasn't. Vergo wasn't using his preferred fighting style and yet he was the one to deal injury.

If you scale it up, Sanji has 2 levels before he you know he's gone all-out (DJ and then HM). And Vergo has 1 level (full CoA: hardening). So if you compare both of them, once they go all-out, they're essentially equal and hype dictates Sanji to be stronger.

It just means Law's CoO is better who could attack before Smoker noticed.

Mihawk has constant CoO, as evident when he fought Luffy, but Luffy was able to divert his attack to evade Mihawk. So this means that even though Law's CoO foretold first, Smoker should've evaded it because the last CoO is the one that gives the advantage.

If we use this logic, the all of the M3's haki is better than any supernova that went to NW to make a name for themselves. Which is silly. Sanji had more to do than train like Luffy and Zoro during those two years.

But the SNe didn't have duties to carry out unlike the Marines (especially the VA's). So they had more time for training. Plus most of them didn't go out and wreck-shop. Furthermore, theoretically, Luffy wasn't as strong as Law/Kidd/Drake Pre-TS, so for the M3 to get the greater boost in training makes sense.

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Sanji didn't go all out you say he used his strongest attacks Diable Jambe and it had no effect on him at all and Vergo didn't even use Haki like he did against Smoker.

Huh? Please, show me the panel where he did use DJ. And when Sanji kicked Vergo the first time, Sanji commented on Vergo's body being coated in CoA.

Smoker sent Vergo flying with a elbow and punch so your point makes no sense the only reason Smoker's hits started to take no damage because Vergo was using his Haki to protect him.

Exactly, when Smoker's started delivering full-brunt attacks, they did not effect Vergo to such an extent.

What? Haki doesn't protect someone from Law's devil fruit powers

Well it does. Since Haki is the counter to DF's.

Smoker stated Tashigi's haki wasn't strong enough because she attempted to fight him in a sword fight and she immediately lost having her sword cut in half and even then it doesn't mean Smokers haki is weak because he was hit by Laws attack since the technique he used was intended to take his heart if Law had used that on anyone else and hit the same thing would have happened. We have no idea how strong Smoker's haki is and trying to measure from his battle with Vergo is stupid since Vergo specialized in Haki.

If you re-read the fight, you'd see Smoker was not cut-up like Vergo/Tashigi because every time they connected blows, it was his Jutte that hit his sword - meaning at those instances his DF was canceled. And if Law is able to use the "scalples" tech on anyone to the same degree as he did on Somker, why didn't he do it to Vergo and then go on to torture him by squeezing his heart - because after what Vergo did to Law, any sane person would think that's the best approach when you know you'll win.

Please Coby has traveled under Garp's wing through the Grandline...Also you seem to think both Garp and Roger started at the same time like Luffy and Coby where the hell was stated.

Lel, no I don't. And I'm pretty sure I never said such a thing, hahaha. You said Luffy and Smoker traveled the GL together (implying they started out near the same time). And I replied that Luffy's true journey started when he met Coby.

All we know from Garp and Roger's relationship was they battled constantly across the Grandline and even almost killed each other several times we also know they weren't friends also name one pirate that's afraid of Coby.

Pretty sure Roger considered him as a friend. And tell me when Coby has ever done anything in the Pirate-world by himself to get his name out there Pre-TS? Never. Meaning that question is superfluous because he spent his time training to be strong enough for others to recognize him.

On what bases is this based off? The only fight we've seen Smoker in was against someone who had better Haki than him Luffy would not be able to do the same haki feats as Vergo so the battle would be a lot more of a slug fest where they would be constantly getting damaged unlike the battle with Vergo the only reason Smoker lost was because of Vergo's haki.

Luffy is faster; Luffy's has a enormously greater DC; Luffy's reach is incalculably greater; Luffy's Haki is theoretically greater; Luffy's width dwarfs Smoker in comparison. So there ya have it.

So let me ask why do you always deny declaim Smoker then whenever the topic comes up,

Because I see that if anyone deserves to the Garp to his Roger, it should be Smoker. Mostly because Luffy's strongest Marine opponent by EoS should be Coby (since Garp was Roger's strongest Marine opponent prior to his death). But with that said, if OP were to end within the next year or two, I'd accept Smoker to be the Garp to his Roger since it's build-up. But since there's so much to go, I think we've yet to see anything their progression as a pair (Luffy & Coby).

I've never denied Coby will be one of Luffy's last fights in One Piece however he's not the Garp of the Generation just because he's Luffy's rival he doesn't strike fear in the hearts of pirates like Smoker does also Smoker has set his position in stone by fighting against and with the Supernova who are the main pirates for the new era.

See the thing with Smoker is that he didn't need to get stronger while traveling Paradise since he was stronger/as strong as Luffy and the SNe. Whereas Coby had to get stronger, meaning he couldn't have been allowed
to receive such panel time as the likes of Smoker. Hence there was more need for him. But now that Coby must've at least gotten to the W3-level by now, he should receive the panel-time to get his name out there.

So you admit you show favoritism in your opinions when it comes to the characters you like?

What? I didn't say anything that slightly indicated that.

No matter how much you deny it...without Smoker Law couldn't have defeated Vergo in that fight without his devil fruit Law would have been defeated.

I'm not denying it. I'm just looking at things through different windows. And one of them is that: the only reason Smoker was a variable in that fight was so he could be the pawn to get Law's heart back. So if Vergo never had it in the first place, Smoker's use in that fight would be redundant.

 

[Punk Hazard]

To be fair, Lucci woulda raped Sanji at Enie's Lobby

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He's the protagonist, he'll find a way to win .

Magellan, Kuma, Kizaru, Akainu and Aokiji say hi.

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[ziggyZ]

Underestimating him greatly, give him a good enough reason and someone incredibly important that needs protecting and bam, you've got yourself a God Tier protagonist.

You're think of FT mate.

 

[juzumaki]

I get that my point was Smoker would have put up a better fight if it wasn't for the fact he was still not fully healed from his battles on Punk hazard don't get me wrong again Smoker would still lose to Doflamingo and I view Luffy and Smoker quite similar in strength Luffy's a little bit more powerful but whatever, I agree Luffy at the moment until we see something extraordinary from Luffy he will most likely lose against Doflamingo.

I also agree that Sanji would give Luffy and Smoker a decent fight but at the end of the day Luffy and Smoker are stronger than Sanji.

The only reason smoker beat luffy was because of his devil fruit he's isn't as strong as we think he is cause he got fodder used twice in less than 10 chapter plus we havnt seen luffy go all out since the timeskip

 

[Anduril]

Magellan, Kuma, Kizaru, Akainu and Aokiji say hi.

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Perfect

 

[Aertes]

Luffy Sanji and Smoker are on the same tier? Bϊtch please.
But to be fair, I don't think Luffy alone can beat DonFlamingo at this point.

 

[Netferarri]

Luffy can't beat Doffy at the moment. He is not admiral tier at the moment.

 

[Kuzan]

Luffy can't beat Doffy at the moment. He is not admiral tier at the moment.

Doffy isnt Admiral tier either, his power lies somewhere between VA and Admiral.

 

[Sherlock.]

Luffy is wayyyyyyyyyyyyy stronger than Sanji and Smoker. Even during Ennies Lobby Arc the difference between Luffy and Sanji was clearly shown by that Douriki thing.... =D =D
I think Luffy's Haki Mastery will come into play when he beats Doffy.... IDK why but many people think Luffy cannot beat Doffy alone.... Luffy will beat him simply because -
1.He defeated someone strong like Don Chinjao with Low-Mid Diff.
2.He will be completely pissed off while fighting Doffy (Rebecca,Law Backstories) He hits hardest when he is pissed off enough or/and when he knows what he's fighting for.... Lol Lol (He got pawned by Lucci at Water 7 but fought well once he knew Robin's actions were to save them)
3.He will have to go all out like he never before did. It's been 100 + Chapters after the time skip. It will probably be 150 + Post TS Chapters by the time we have Luffy vs. Doffy Final Fight. I think we will get to see Luffy go full rage mode for the first time after TS.... =D =D

 

[TheHokage]

The only reason smoker beat luffy was because of his devil fruit he's isn't as strong as we think he is cause he got fodder used twice in less than 10 chapter plus we havnt seen luffy go all out since the timeskip

What exactly do you class as fodder someone who gets beat by high tier fighters? Perhaps if Smoker had lost to say Usopp I'd class him as fodder however losing to Doflamingo, Law and Vergo isn't shameful at all fighting two warlords and one Vice admiral all in the same arc please...not to mention Smoker did not just rely on his devil fruit at all.

True you're right we haven't seen Luffy go all out I'll admit that but if Smoker were to fight Luffy it would be a whole different story as think about it Luffy does not have some OP devil fruit like Law, Luffy doesn't have the level or Armanent Haki as Vergo and with Doflamingo it was obvious Doflamingo was going to own Smoker as it hyped him up not to mention allowed Aokiji to come into the picture.

So when it comes down to it Luffy vs Smoker would be a pretty even fight due to their abilities and fighting styles they are both brawlers Smoker doesn't use those attacks that the CP9 used, also Smoker's power is still only going to go up as well with Luffy's so the next time they see each other they'll still be relatively even in battle.

As for one it would make no sense to me why Oda would have Luffy saying he want's to fight Smoker when there both at their best and rejecting to fight him in Tashigi's body since it implies they are close in strength.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

Easy. By being stronger than them =D

What exactly do you class as fodder someone who gets beat by high tier fighters? Perhaps if Smoker had lost to say Usopp I'd class him as fodder however losing to Doflamingo, Law and Vergo isn't shameful at all fighting two warlords and one Vice admiral all in the same arc please...not to mention Smoker did not just rely on his devil fruit at all.

True you're right we haven't seen Luffy go all out I'll admit that but if Smoker were to fight Luffy it would be a whole different story as think about it Luffy does not have some OP devil fruit like Law, Luffy doesn't have the level or Armanent Haki as Vergo and with Doflamingo it was obvious Doflamingo was going to own Smoker as it hyped him up not to mention allowed Aokiji to come into the picture.

So when it comes down to it Luffy vs Smoker would be a pretty even fight due to their abilities and fighting styles they are both brawlers Smoker doesn't use those attacks that the CP9 used, also Smoker's power is still only going to go up as well with Luffy's so the next time they see each other they'll still be relatively even in battle.

As for one it would make no sense to me why Oda would have Luffy saying he want's to fight Smoker when there both at their best and rejecting to fight him in Tashigi's body since it implies they are close in strength.

I'm sorry, but how can we be sure Luffy can't Haki up his entire body? His Elephant Gun is a lot bigger than Vergo's body and he's capable of covering all of that with blackened Haki.

 

[TheHokage]

Easy. By being stronger than them =D



I'm sorry, but how can we be sure Luffy can't Haki up his entire body? His Elephant Gun is a lot bigger than Vergo's body and he's capable of covering all of that with blackened Haki.

Because he would have done it by now...and even then his Haki wouldn't be as strong since it doesn't matter if you have Haki it depends on who's is stronger Vergo's Armanant Haki is on a completely different level from what we've seen it was so strong it dented the metal walls meters behind Smoker after Smoker took the hit.

Luffy might be able to cover his body with haki but if the person he's fighting has a better haki then he's going to lose and it's fair to say that if a warlord like Doflamingo who has Haki is praising Vergo on his haki then it's completely on a different level it's like I've said before Law would have lost as well if it hadn't been for his DF.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

Because he would have done it by now...and even then his Haki wouldn't be as strong since it doesn't matter if you have Haki it depends on who's is stronger Vergo's Armanant Haki is on a completely different level from what we've seen it was so strong it dented the metal walls meters behind Smoker after Smoker took the hit.

Luffy might be able to cover his body with haki but if the person he's fighting has a better haki then he's going to lose and it's fair to say that if a warlord like Doflamingo who has Haki is praising Vergo on his haki then it's completely on a different level it's like I've said before Law would have lost as well if it hadn't been for his DF.

Why would he have used it? He hasn't faced any opponent that Luffy would need to use that against. I'm not saying that Luffy has as strong CoA as Vergo, but I think you're underestimating him.

If someone has stronger Haki, that doesn't mean you will lose. Case in point, Luffy vs Marigold and Sandersonia.

 

[Fujitora]

Luffy is not beating him alone.

 

[TheHokage]

Why would he have used it? He hasn't faced any opponent that Luffy would need to use that against. I'm not saying that Luffy has as strong CoA as Vergo, but I think you're underestimating him.

If someone has stronger Haki, that doesn't mean you will lose. Case in point, Luffy vs Marigold and Sandersonia.

Well Luffy could have used Haki all around his body when he battled Hordy and stopping Hordy biting him however he didn't Luffy hasn't mastered Haki yet he's got the basics down plus a little bit more but he hasn't mastered it to the level like someone of Vergo's caliber.

In a Ardamant Haki fight the person with the stronger Haki is going to win for instance when Vergo hit Smoker with his Haki bamboo stick it snapped Smoker's Haki jinte and the shockwave completely crushed the metal walls meters behind Smoker.

I'm not underestimating Luffy, I think you're just underestimating Vergo.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

Well Luffy could have used Haki all around his body when he battled Hordy and stopping Hordy biting him however he didn't Luffy hasn't mastered Haki yet he's got the basics down plus a little bit more but he hasn't mastered it to the level like someone of Vergo's caliber.

In a Ardamant Haki fight the person with the stronger Haki is going to win for instance when Vergo hit Smoker with his Haki bamboo stick it snapped Smoker's Haki jinte and the shockwave completely crushed the metal walls meters behind Smoker.

I'm not underestimating Luffy, I think you're just underestimating Vergo.

I'm not saying Luffy has stronger CoA, I'm saying that I'm pretty sure he can cover his body in it.

No. Having stronger CoA doesn't mean you'll win a fight. Sorry, but that's just stupid thinking.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

I don't see Luffy beating him either.
Iv been saying that for ages.
I hope people will actually realise now that Luffy still has a long way to go to get to Doffys level.