[Discussion] How is Luffy supposed to beat Doflamingo when...

[Equalist]

He can never beat him logiclly but since he is the main, there will be an asspull U_U

You're thinking Ichigo Bleachtard. Luffy has never needed an asspull to take down the antagonists. I suggest you read a chapter or two of One Piece before you make dumbass comments.

 

[ziggyZ]

Come now mate, don't put Smoker on the same boat as Luffy & Sanji.


OT: That's why I've always been saying Law & Luffy will beat him together. But everyone continued to say Luffy will beat him by himself.

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BUt I don't know how it'll play out now since Law is pretty much trying to hang himself.

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

well DD is pretty op, n his cutting techs make him a bad opponent for Luffy(not saying Luffy is distinctively week vs cutting attacks, just that his defence vs them is not as good as his vs blunt force attacks, so vs overheat he shld b ok), though i wonder if he's bosukoka cldnt handle attacks like 5 coloured strings(reoson being i think 5cs is not that strong a cutti technique compared to those say Mihawk n Zoro produce n well Sanji bounced back from it pretty quickly). I dont know how Luffy will escape or deal with being trapped mid air/fight, but Law seems not to have that problem n this cld b coz of his df or some other thing so maybe Luffy will power thru or something, all in all DD is a tough obstacle for sure n Luffy will probably lose the first encounter n to win Law might have to assist hin.

 

[ziggyZ]

I'm calling it now! This is how it'll end:



Law on the verge of death: Dammit! This alliance was doomed from the start.

Nami from afar: LUFFY!!!!!

Doffy: Fuffuffuffu, Will of D ain't nothing compared to my blood b!tch. Time to die. Ffuffuffu!

Zoro beaten up: Fvck! Fvck! Fvck! Oi Luffy! We just got to the NW, we can't fvcking die now! Get up and win!!!!!

Robin from afar: LIVE LUFFY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Luffy stands up: Yosha... [his arm ignites into Red Hawk] I'm all fired up.

Luffy flies at Doffy: GOMU GOMU NO NAKAMA PUNCH!!!!!!









EDIT: This could also be how it ends:



*Doffy kicks Luffy and he flies into his mansion*

*Luffy stands up and sees the Mera Mera no Mi*

Luffy: If Blackbeard can do it, why can't I? [gets the fruit and bites it]

*Doffy appears*

Doffy: Fuffuffuffu, you just committed suicide.

Luffy: No I didn't.

Doffy: Well, you did.

Luffy: Let's be honest here.

Doffy: I am.

Luffy: Cool.

Doffy: True. But fvck it, killing you with my hands is what I want. [Doffy cuts him]

*Luffy it's the ground hard but feels this power inside him and gets up*

Doffy: Wot?! How????

Luffy: I'm a D b!tch.

*Doffy hits him with his strings again but this time it goes through Luffy's Logia body*

Doffy: Shit, I didn't use Haki.

Luffy: Ace, at a time like this... I wonder what you would say. "I'm fired up"

Doffy: Huh?

Luffy flying towards Doffy: GOMU GOMU NO FIRE DRAGON'S PISTOL!!!!!!!

 

[David1996]

I'm calling it now! This is how it'll end:



Law on the verge of death: Dammit! This alliance was doomed from the start.

Nami from afar: LUFFY!!!!!

Doffy: Fuffuffuffu, Will of D ain't nothing compared to my blood b!tch. Time to die. Ffuffuffu!

Zoro beaten up: Fvck! Fvck! Fvck! Oi Luffy! We just got to the NW, we can't fvcking die now! Get up and win!!!!!

Robin from afar: LIVE LUFFY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Luffy stands up: Yosha... [his arm ignites into Red Hawk] I'm all fired up.

Luffy flies at Doffy: GOMU GOMU NO NAKAMA PUNCH!!!!!!

Natsu in this ***** !!

 

[Equalist]

well DD is pretty op, n his cutting techs make him a bad opponent for Luffy(not saying Luffy is distinctively week vs cutting attacks, just that his defence vs them is not as good as his vs blunt force attacks, so vs overheat he shld b ok), though i wonder if he's bosukoka cldnt handle attacks like 5 coloured strings(reoson being i think 5cs is not that strong a cutti technique compared to those say Mihawk n Zoro produce n well Sanji bounced back from it pretty quickly). I dont know how Luffy will escape or deal with being trapped mid air/fight, but Law seems not to have that problem n this cld b coz of his df or some other thing so maybe Luffy will power thru or something, all in all DD is a tough obstacle for sure n Luffy will probably lose the first encounter n to win Law might have to assist hin.

I disagree with everything you've posted. The odds of DD being able to cut Luffy with his strings is likely yes, but it's unlikely his threads will pose a mortal threat to Luffy. You are correct in that Luffy is typically unskilled at dealing with these kinds of attacks but I highly doubt that after training for two years he'd still have the same tactical incompetence he had beforehand. On top of that, you pointed out that DD's strings are not that strong when compared to say Mihawk's and Zoro's. If Sanji could bounce back from such an attack as you say, I've no reason to think Luffy won't outright tank. If Luffy gets trapped by DD's strings he has numerous ways to escape: 1) expand his body 2) brute force 3) gear 1st or 2nd his choice. Of course I've no reason to think that anything other than brute force would be needed in such a situation. It's doubtful this battle is going to be as drawn out as say Crocodile. I see Luffy and DD fighting with Luffy getting the best of him off the bat, but DD forcing Luffy into a strategic retreat because this - being DD's country means he's holding all the cards. In a straight of fight Luffy would push DD's shit in, but DD is going to have a tremendous number of advantages due to the sociopolitical nature of the region and his influence therein.

 

[Hijey]

Smoker got taped with one hit.

Sanji was just getting toyed with, until doflamingo had to put a little effort to finish him off (or supposedly because of the strawhats ridiculous endurance).

You don't know what happened with the DD/Smoker fight since it got off paneled.

Come now mate, don't put Smoker on the same boat as Luffy & Sanji.

The Smoker underrating is strong as ever. He is on the same ballpark as them and is stronger than Sanj.

 

[ziggyZ]

The Smoker underrating is strong as ever. He is on the same ballpark as them and is stronger than Sanj.

I'm not underrating him, lel. After-all, he's shown nothing impressive. And in regards to Sanji, Smoker wouldn't beat him nor the other way a la his fight with Ace.

But power-scaling wise, Sanji is stronger than Smoker, period.

 

[TheHokage]

I'm not underrating him, lel. After-all, he's shown nothing impressive. And in regards to Sanji, Smoker wouldn't beat him nor the other way a la his fight with Ace.

But power-scaling wise, Sanji is stronger than Smoker, period.

And what do you base this on? Other than your obvious hatred for Smoker.

 

[Hijey]

I'm not underrating him, lel. After-all, he's shown nothing impressive. And in regards to Sanji, Smoker wouldn't beat him nor the other way a la his fight with Ace.

But power-scaling wise, Sanji is stronger than Smoker, period.

Lel, you are putting Sanji over him for no reason. What power scaling? Smoker performed better against Vergo who was using his preferred fighting style than Sanji did against Vergo who was using Sanji's fighting style. Smoker is stronger than Sanji.

 

[Fireplay]

I'm calling it now! This is how it'll end:



Law on the verge of death: Dammit! This alliance was doomed from the start.

Nami from afar: LUFFY!!!!!

Doffy: Fuffuffuffu, Will of D ain't nothing compared to my blood b!tch. Time to die. Ffuffuffu!

Zoro beaten up: Fvck! Fvck! Fvck! Oi Luffy! We just got to the NW, we can't fvcking die now! Get up and win!!!!!

Robin from afar: LIVE LUFFY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Luffy stands up: Yosha... [his arm ignites into Red Hawk] I'm all fired up.

Luffy flies at Doffy: GOMU GOMU NO NAKAMA PUNCH!!!!!!









EDIT: This could also be how it ends:



*Doffy kicks Luffy and he flies into his mansion*

*Luffy stands up and sees the Mera Mera no Mi*

Luffy: If Blackbeard can do it, why can't I? [gets the fruit and bites it]

*Doffy appears*

Doffy: Fuffuffuffu, you just committed suicide.

Luffy: No I didn't.

Doffy: Well, you did.

Luffy: Let's be honest here.

Doffy: I am.

Luffy: Cool.

Doffy: True. But fvck it, killing you with my hands is what I want. [Doffy cuts him]

*Luffy it's the ground hard but feels this power inside him and gets up*

Doffy: Wot?! How????

Luffy: I'm a D b!tch.

*Doffy hits him with his strings again but this time it goes through Luffy's Logia body*

Doffy: Shit, I didn't use Haki.

Luffy: Ace, at a time like this... I wonder what you would say. "I'm fired up"

Doffy: Huh?

Luffy flying towards Doffy: GOMU GOMU NO FIRE DRAGON'S PISTOL!!!!!!!

I smell Fairy Tail XD.

 

[Equalist]

I'm calling it now! This is how it'll end:



Law on the verge of death: Dammit! This alliance was doomed from the start.

Nami from afar: LUFFY!!!!!

Doffy: Fuffuffuffu, Will of D ain't nothing compared to my blood b!tch. Time to die. Ffuffuffu!

Zoro beaten up: Fvck! Fvck! Fvck! Oi Luffy! We just got to the NW, we can't fvcking die now! Get up and win!!!!!

Robin from afar: LIVE LUFFY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Luffy stands up: Yosha... [his arm ignites into Red Hawk] I'm all fired up.

Luffy flies at Doffy: GOMU GOMU NO NAKAMA PUNCH!!!!!!









EDIT: This could also be how it ends:



*Doffy kicks Luffy and he flies into his mansion*

*Luffy stands up and sees the Mera Mera no Mi*

Luffy: If Blackbeard can do it, why can't I? [gets the fruit and bites it]

*Doffy appears*

Doffy: Fuffuffuffu, you just committed suicide.

Luffy: No I didn't.

Doffy: Well, you did.

Luffy: Let's be honest here.

Doffy: I am.

Luffy: Cool.

Doffy: True. But fvck it, killing you with my hands is what I want. [Doffy cuts him]

*Luffy it's the ground hard but feels this power inside him and gets up*

Doffy: Wot?! How????

Luffy: I'm a D b!tch.

*Doffy hits him with his strings again but this time it goes through Luffy's Logia body*

Doffy: Shit, I didn't use Haki.

Luffy: Ace, at a time like this... I wonder what you would say. "I'm fired up"

Doffy: Huh?

Luffy flying towards Doffy: GOMU GOMU NO FIRE DRAGON'S PISTOL!!!!!!!

I won't put you on blast for having a shitty fanfic there so I'll just throw some constructive criticism. The Will of D is bad f#cking news and DD would never say something stupid that would indicate his "blood" is somehow superior. Not only does your mention of something so base show you're a terrible writer but someone with that much Naruto on the brain isn't competent enough to speculate about One Piece. Secondly, DD would never forget to use Haki against a serious opponent. I'm not sure your dumbass has ever been in a fight but that's the same as DD saying oh no I forgot to throw a punch. Now GTFO my thread virgin.

 

[ziggyZ]

And what do you base this on? Other than your obvious hatred for Smoker.

Mmm, interesting.

Lel, you are putting Sanji over him for no reason. What power scaling? Smoker performed better against Vergo who was using his preferred fighting style than Sanji did against Vergo who was using Sanji's fighting style. Smoker is stronger than Sanji.

1.) Smoker went all-out with Vergo and got Mid DIFF'd.
2.) Sanji danced with him for less than a minute, used DJ once - and that once hit sent him flying into a wall (Smoker didn't do such a thing and yet he was trying).
3.) Smoker's Haki is weak; if it wasn't, Law wouldn't have extracted his heart so easily. Since Smoker told Tashigi her Haki is too poor to fight Law, meaning so is Smoker's.
4.) Sanji's CoA can very well be on the same level as Smoker's, but he's shown to have a somewhat proficient CoO (something Smoker has yet to show), meaning he could read Smoker's speed and act accordingly by using his own speed and flight to hit continuously hit him.

So yeah. Sanji>Smoker.

 

[Kuriboh]

I cant even see luffy fighting doffy in this arc, i think it will be avoided somehow, If they do fight that means law will lose and/or die

 

[TheHokage]

1.) Smoker went all-out with Vergo and got Mid DIFF'd.
2.) Sanji danced with him for less than a minute, used DJ once - and that once hit sent him flying into a wall (Smoker didn't do such a thing and yet he was trying).
3.) Smoker's Haki is weak; if it wasn't, Law wouldn't have extracted his heart so easily. Since Smoker told Tashigi her Haki is too poor to fight Law, meaning so is Smoker's.
4.) Sanji's CoA can very well be on the same level as Smoker's, but he's shown to have a somewhat proficient CoO (something Smoker has yet to show), meaning he could read Smoker's speed and act accordingly by using his own speed and flight to hit continuously hit him.

So yeah. Sanji>Smoker.

Please the Smoker vs Vergo and Sanji vs Vergo was completely different...

For one Vergo is actually powerful if it wasn't for Law's OP devil fruit he wouldn't have won either, also Sanji battled Virgo for a minute and was on the verge of losing his bone cracked off one kick, it also seems that you're forgetting Smoker also hit Virgo twice so it completely makes no sense what you're saying.

Also on what evidence do you have that proves Smokers haki is weak? Vergo is a haki 'monster' he was praised by Doflamingo himself for his haki so if you're trying to imply Smoker's haki is weak because Vergo's was better don't you see the fail in that?

Luffy and Smoker are rivals no matter how much you want to deny that they've traveled the Grandline together pretty much battling so it makes sense that Smoker is around the same strength as Luffy.

Perhaps you should stop being so bias because you want Coby to be this ultimate Garp of the generation when he's not I'll admit Coby will be strong enough to fight Luffy but that'll only be EoS (He still won't be the Garp of the generation mind you)...Smoker in the end was the reason Law was able to take down Vergo.

Just exactly what is your beef with Smoker's character you seem to go out of your way every time to down play his strength I've got an idea why but seriously what's the deal?

 

[Hijey]

1.) Smoker went all-out with Vergo and got Mid DIFF'd.

Smoker was using a losing tactic to get Law's heart.

2.) Sanji danced with him for less than a minute, used DJ once - and that once hit sent him flying into a wall (Smoker didn't do such a thing and yet he was trying).

Smoker was able to send a serious Vergo flying to the wall. As soon as Vergo took Sanji seriously, he overpowered him and almost broke Sanji's leg.

3.) Smoker's Haki is weak; if it wasn't, Law wouldn't have extracted his heart so easily. Since Smoker told Tashigi her Haki is too poor to fight Law, meaning so is Smoker's.

No it doesn't mean that all. Smoker only lost to Law because Law used his technique while being behind a rock. Not knowing enough about Law's devil fruit abilities is why he got defeated as quickly as he did.

4.) Sanji's CoA can very well be on the same level as Smoker's, but he's shown to have a somewhat proficient CoO (something Smoker has yet to show), meaning he could read Smoker's speed and act accordingly by using his own speed and flight to hit continuously hit him.

So yeah. Sanji>Smoker.

"Smoker's CoO could very well be on the same level as Sanji's, but he's shown to be somewhat proficient CoA(something Sanji has yet to show)." Smoker was able to react to a near point blank explosion and was fast enough to counter attack. If anything, it is more likely that Smoker's CoO is closer to Sanji's CoO than Sanji's CoA is to Smoker's.

 

[kuramasage]

Smoker was still a little injured and tired from his fight with Vergo. Plus, his Jutte, which is his main offensive weapon, had been broken. Basically, Dofla fought a very handicapped Smoker. Heck, we didn't see the fight. What's to say Smoker didn't turn into smoke and almost suffocated Dofla?

Dofla complimented Sanji's strength and only won so easily because Sanji was got off-guard by the Ito-Ito no Mi. While, I agree Dofla would be able to beat Sanji anyway, it wouldn't be as easy if Sanji knew what to expect.

 

[ziggyZ]

Please the Smoker vs Vergo and Sanji vs Vergo was completely different...

A fight is a fight. :|

For one Vergo is actually powerful if it wasn't for Law's OP devil fruit he wouldn't have won either, also Sanji battled Virgo for a minute and was on the verge of losing his bone cracked off one kick,

Yes, he was. But you're forgetting one very important detail mate: Sanji didn't even remotely go all-out.

it also seems that you're forgetting Smoker also hit Virgo twice so it completely makes no sense what you're saying.

Cool, Smoker hit Vergo. But what I said was one DJ from Sanji sent Vergo into a wall. Whereas Smoker went all-out and didn't do such a feat.

Also on what evidence do you have that proves Smokers haki is weak? Vergo is a haki 'monster' he was praised by Doflamingo himself for his haki so if you're trying to imply Smoker's haki is weak because Vergo's was better don't you see the fail in that?

I'm basing Smoker's Haki being weak not with Vergo - but with Law. Why? Because if his Haki was indeed strong (not as strong as Vergo's though, but strong), his heart wouldn't be extracted from a little push from Law. Since Smoker himself stated those techs won't work so well on a proficient Haki user. Furthermore, since you love bringing Vergo into a debate regarding Sanji & Smoker - Vergo was only cut in half by Law because Law went all-out with his swing. So comparing his heart-nudge and mountain-cutter is not suffice.

Luffy and Smoker are rivals no matter how much you want to deny that they've traveled the Grandline

So has Coby. And the funny thing is, that claim you just pointed out, is in favor Coby being the Garp to Luffy's Roger. Why? Because they both started their journey together - Luffy found his first crew-member and Coby became a marine.

together pretty much battling so it makes sense that Smoker is around the same strength as Luffy.

yes, it would make sense if they're equally strong or Luffy is slightly weaker, but their simply not.

Perhaps you should stop being so bias because you want Coby to be this ultimate Garp of the generation when he's not I'll admit Coby will be strong enough to fight Luffy but that'll only be EoS (He still won't be the Garp of the generation mind you[)/QUOTE]Funny thing is I don't care if Coby's the Garp to Luffy's Roger. Since I find these parallels in OP childish. All I care is if Coby is Luffy's end-all rival.

Smoker in the end was the reason Law was able to take down Vergo.

And...

Just exactly what is your beef with Smoker's character you seem to go out of your way every time to down play his strength I've got an idea why but seriously what's the deal?

Lel Lol
1.) I actually like his character, since I think he's a sick-cvnt. Especially when he told Sengoku & Co. to munch on his c*ck. Plus, the fact that he didn't want recognition for something he didn't deserve appeals to me and reiterates my view on him being a sick-cvnt.
2.) I don't downplay his strength, lol. I just post to how my deduction of OP dictates. Hell, the M3 are my fav characters, but I downplay the fvck out of them when people say they're Top TIER's. Additionally, albeit I love Kidd's character, if you check a thread I posted in recently, you'll see I went outta my way to prove he's weak in front of Luffy & Law.

Smoker was using a losing tactic to get Law's heart.

He wouldn't need to if he was strong enough to beat him.

Smoker was able to send a serious Vergo flying to the wall. As soon as Vergo took Sanji seriously, he overpowered him and almost broke Sanji's leg.

Quick question: when he did so, was Sanji using DJ? If you don't know the answer, well I can give you a hint?

No it doesn't mean that all. Smoker only lost to Law because Law used his technique while being behind a rock. Not knowing enough about Law's devil fruit abilities is why he got defeated as quickly as he did.

Yes it does. Since I'm not specifying Haki as CoA, I'm using it as a general term for what it essentially is: CoO, CoA & CotSK. But as of now, there's yet to any confirmation that either of the two have CotSK, so in regards to Sanji & Smoker, the other two suffice.
OT: It kinda does mean Haki is weak, 'cause if it wasn't he would've used CoO to foretell the attack and dodge.

"Smoker's CoO could very well be on the same level as Sanji's, but he's shown to be somewhat proficient CoA(something Sanji has yet to show)." Smoker was able to react to a near point blank explosion and was fast enough to counter attack. If anything, it is more likely that Smoker's CoO is closer to Sanji's CoO than Sanji's CoA is to Smoker's.

Then explain why he couldn't escape from Law's "scalpel" attack?

Moreover, Smoker's Haki couldn't be > Sanji's since Smoker spent 2 years making a name for himself in the NW and by doing so, his Haki was developing. Whereas Sanji spent the best part of 2 years to train his Haki.

 

[Hijey]

He wouldn't need to if he was strong enough to beat him.

That's irrelevant in the Smoker/Sanji match up.

Quick question: when he did so, was Sanji using DJ? If you don't know the answer, well I can give you a hint?

No, he wasn't. Vergo wasn't using his preferred fighting style and yet he was the one to deal injury.

Yes it does. Since I'm not specifying Haki as CoA, I'm using it as a general term for what it essentially is: CoO, CoA & CotSK. But as of now, there's yet to any confirmation that either of the two have CotSK, so in regards to Sanji & Smoker, the other two suffice.
OT: It kinda does mean Haki is weak, 'cause if it wasn't he would've used CoO to foretell the attack and dodge


Then explain why he couldn't escape from Law's "scalpel" attack?

It just means Law's CoO is better who could attack before Smoker noticed.

Moreover, Smoker's Haki couldn't be > Sanji's since Smoker spent 2 years making a name for himself in the NW and by doing so, his Haki was developing. Whereas Sanji spent the best part of 2 years to train his

If we use this logic, the all of the M3's haki is better than any supernova that went to NW to make a name for themselves. Which is silly. Sanji had more to do than train like Luffy and Zoro during those two years.

 

[AmaniPaz]

Underestimating him greatly, give him a good enough reason and someone incredibly important that needs protecting and bam, you've got yourself a God Tier protagonist.