[Discussion] How is Luffy supposed to beat Doflamingo when...

[TheHokage]

I'm not saying Luffy has stronger CoA, I'm saying that I'm pretty sure he can cover his body in it.

No. Having stronger CoA doesn't mean you'll win a fight. Sorry, but that's just stupid thinking.

Well to be honest there would be no point in Luffy hardening his body like Vergo did unless he had the same level of Haki...

Anyway I'm not sure if you get my point or you're just ignoring it however my point was if someone with Haki punched another person with Haki and said person had stronger Haki and used it to protect themselves (Like Vergo did against Smoker) then the person with stronger Haki won't be hurt since they used their superior Haki to prevent the punch from damaging them.

 

[LitzSabr]

Well to be honest there would be no point in Luffy hardening his body like Vergo did unless he had the same level of Haki...

Anyway I'm not sure if you get my point or you're just ignoring it however my point was if someone with Haki punched another person with Haki and said person had stronger Haki and used it to protect themselves (Like Vergo did against Smoker) then the person with stronger Haki won't be hurt since they used their superior Haki to prevent the punch from damaging them.

Rightly said, Having stronger CoA doesn't mean you'll win a fight. Haki is one thing and Raw power is another. Vergo's haki is better than Luffy but Luffy's Raw strength easily overcomes it.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

Well to be honest there would be no point in Luffy hardening his body like Vergo did unless he had the same level of Haki...

Anyway I'm not sure if you get my point or you're just ignoring it however my point was if someone with Haki punched another person with Haki and said person had stronger Haki and used it to protect themselves (Like Vergo did against Smoker) then the person with stronger Haki won't be hurt since they used their superior Haki to prevent the punch from damaging them.

That only applies if you match each other's strength. If one person's offense is stronger than someone's defense, it will break through.

Rightly said, Having stronger CoA doesn't mean you'll win a fight. Haki is one thing and Raw power is another. Vergo's haki is better than Luffy but Luffy's Raw strength easily overcomes it.

Ka-ching.

 

[VongolaX]

Well Luffy could have used Haki all around his body when he battled Hordy and stopping Hordy biting him however he didn't Luffy hasn't mastered Haki yet he's got the basics down plus a little bit more but he hasn't mastered it to the level like someone of Vergo's caliber.

In a Ardamant Haki fight the person with the stronger Haki is going to win for instance when Vergo hit Smoker with his Haki bamboo stick it snapped Smoker's Haki jinte and the shockwave completely crushed the metal walls meters behind Smoker.

I'm not underestimating Luffy, I think you're just underestimating Vergo.

What? :|

Luffy just bested a legend in terms of armors haki and kings haki.

You're telling me that Vergo's haki would do the same?

Chinjao didn't use a fullbody haki and we all know that he would wipe vergo in a haki fight.


Luffy>>>>>Vergo in terms of haki 110%

 

[LitzSabr]

What? :|

Luffy just bested a legend in terms of armors haki and kings haki.

You're telling me that Vergo's haki would do the same?

Chinjao didn't use a fullbody haki and we all know that he would wipe vergo in a haki fight.


Luffy>>>>>Vergo in terms of haki 110%

Are you kidding me?
Vergo's Haki is clearly better than Luffy's. Even Law had to do an attack on mountain scale to bypass his Haki. The thing Luffy has which puts him above Vergo is his raw power and then the enhancements from Gomu Gomu no mi.
Also Vergo too is stronger than Chinjao.

 

[TheHokage]

What? :|

Luffy just bested a legend in terms of armors haki and kings haki.

You're telling me that Vergo's haki would do the same?

Chinjao didn't use a fullbody haki and we all know that he would wipe vergo in a haki fight.


Luffy>>>>>Vergo in terms of haki 110%

Chinjao's Haki was only useful for him when his head was fully pointed hence the reason he was so mad at Garp...Vergo specialized in Busoshoku Haki and was praised by Doflamingo who also has Haki so I'm pretty sure Vergo's Haki was most likely even stronger than Doflamingo's (Busoshoku Haki that is)

We don't know whether or not Vergo's Haki would block Luffy's attack since we never saw them fight however Vergo tanked Sanji's attacks, Smoker's attacks and even Law's countershock Law only bypassed Vergo's Haki due to his devil fruit ability.

Now perhaps if Luffy beat Chinjao who was at his best then maybe you would have a point but your point is completely cancelled because Chinjao had his head messed up by Garp and just so you know Garp in his prime then completely destroys Luffy in Haki at the moment.

 

[VongolaX]

Are you kidding me?
Vergo's Haki is clearly better than Luffy's. Even Law had to do an attack on mountain scale to bypass his Haki. The thing Luffy has which puts him above Vergo is his raw power and then the enhancements from Gomu Gomu no mi.
Also Vergo too is stronger than Chinjao.

Your misconception of Haki and devil fruit power is very said

Vergo>>>>Chinjao?

I'm going to assume that you don't even know what one piece is....:|


Come back when vergo splits a continent with his banshou haki

 

[VongolaX]

Chinjao's Haki was only useful for him when his head was fully pointed hence the reason he was so mad at Garp...Vergo specialized in Busoshoku Haki and was praised by Doflamingo who also has Haki so I'm pretty sure Vergo's Haki was most likely even stronger than Doflamingo's (Busoshoku Haki that is)

We don't know whether or not Vergo's Haki would block Luffy's attack since we never saw them fight however Vergo tanked Sanji's attacks, Smoker's attacks and even Law's countershock Law only bypassed Vergo's Haki due to his devil fruit ability.

Now perhaps if Luffy beat Chinjao who was at his best then maybe you would have a point but your point is completely cancelled because Chinjao had his head messed up by Garp and just so you know Garp in his prime then completely destroys Luffy in Haki at the moment.

Chinjao's pointed head was powerful indeed, but his haki was also remarkable enough for garp to train by knocking out 8 mountains.

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He is definitely not in his prime and his pointed head was strong thanks to his banshou haki.

But how would someone that powerful levels reduce from 8 mountain/continent haki strength to a person that took a slash that cut one mountain (vergo included)?

You should know why sanji's attacks were stopped by vergo, he used the iron mass technique:

The one the cp9 used

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Only diablo jambei sent vergo flying <-----sanji did not used haki

 

[LitzSabr]

Your misconception of Haki and devil fruit power is very said

Vergo>>>>Chinjao?

I'm going to assume that you don't even know what one piece is....:|


Come back when vergo splits a continent with his banshou haki

Lol Dude, Luffy beat Chinjao with one Gatling Gun. That just shows how weak he has gotten. He isn't in his prime anyone, P.S he was retired for a long time and didn't even had his drill, the thing which he was famous for and did the continent splitting feat.

Are you kidding me?
Vergo's Haki is clearly better than Luffy's. Even Law had to do an attack on mountain scale to bypass his Haki.

Your misconception of Haki and devil fruit power is very said

Yeah and what is wrong there?

Chinjao's pointed head was powerful indeed, but his haki was also remarkable enough for garp to train by knocking out 8 mountains.

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It wasn't only because of his Haki that Garp had to train, it was mostly due to his drill head.
Also Garp destroyed 8 mountains during training. He didn't did it in one punch, So it didn't took say, a punch that can destroy 8 mountains to bring prime Chinjao down. It was was less than that.

He is definitely not in his prime and his pointed head was strong thanks to his banshou haki.

But how would someone that powerful levels reduce from 8 mountain/continent haki strength to a person that took a slash that cut one mountain (vergo included)?

Like I said, Chinjao's power level was never at "8 mountain". Even back then when he was yaoung(after he lost his drill), his power fell considerably, he couldn't even split the Ice there. So after all this time, it's normal that he'd become a lot weaker.

You should know why sanji's attacks were stopped by vergo, he used the iron mass technique:

The one the cp9 used

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Only diablo jambei sent vergo flying <-----sanji did not used haki

Diable Jambe did nothing to Vergo, he got up back and was shining. Vergo didn't use Haki too when he cracked Sanji's leg.

 

[TheHokage]

Chinjao's pointed head was powerful indeed, but his haki was also remarkable enough for garp to train by knocking out 8 mountains.

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He is definitely not in his prime and his pointed head was strong thanks to his banshou haki.

But how would someone that powerful levels reduce from 8 mountain/continent haki strength to a person that took a slash that cut one mountain (vergo included)?

You should know why sanji's attacks were stopped by vergo, he used the iron mass technique:

The one the cp9 used

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Only diablo jambei sent vergo flying <-----sanji did not used haki

Well explain why Chinjao's head suddenly became so much weaker even with Busoshoku haki after being crushed by Garp? I mean Chinjao's could split continents with his foreheads apparently yet when his head was crushed he couldn't, his whole head not being pointed was the only reason Luffy won that fight...you do realize that don't you?

Also Vergo tanked Sanji's strongest attack so far without using Haki...yes he was sent into a wall but he didn't even feel a thing however if Vergo had used Haki how do you know it wouldn't have protected him from Sanji, as Sanji is most likely weaker than Smoker and Vergo tanked Smoker's hits.

Also Haki>>>CP9 techniques...

 

[VongolaX]

Lol Dude, Luffy beat Chinjao with one Gatling Gun. That just shows how weak he has gotten. He isn't in his prime anyone, P.S he was retired for a long time and didn't even had his drill, the thing which he was famous for and did the continent splitting feat.

Gatling gun?

Did you not read what it is called?

It's called "Thor," it was kings and armors haki

That is strong enough to a$$ wipe Vergo the VA

Yeah and what is wrong there?

Your logic and no proof, that is the primary dilemma....Horrible assumptions

It wasn't only because of his Haki that Garp had to train, it was mostly due to his drill head.
Also Garp destroyed 8 mountains during training. He didn't did it in one punch, So it didn't took say, a punch that can destroy 8 mountains to bring prime Chinjao down. It was was less than that.

He's head isn't what is mostly his power, he had a formidable haki to survive a full blast hit of Garps haki

Also you don't know how many punches took down 8 mountains, all we know is that he trained by toppling 8 mountains which lead to his victories

The fact that he split a continent with a single hit <------8 mountains are nothing compared to that

Like I said, Chinjao's power level was never at "8 mountain". Even back then when he was yaoung(after he lost his drill), his power fell considerably, he couldn't even split the Ice there. So after all this time, it's normal that he'd become a lot weaker.

Like i said split a continent

Also chinjao was still injuried by garp, so this response is invalid

Diable Jambe did nothing to Vergo, he got up back and was shining. Vergo didn't use Haki too when he cracked Sanji's leg.

He beat the f*cking hamburger/spoon right out of his face... :|

Sanji's diable jambe threw him right through the wall, he couldn't stop the powerful kicks.

When he used his regular legs to fight, that is when his foot factor <-----Other then that, ^^ pointless


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[VongolaX]

He beat the f*cking hamburger/spoon right out of his face... :|

Sanji's diable jambe threw him right through the wall, he couldn't stop the powerful kicks.

When he used his regular legs to fight, that is when his foot factor <-----Other then that, ^^ pointless


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Well explain why Chinjao's head suddenly became so much weaker even with Busoshoku haki after being crushed by Garp? I mean Chinjao's could split continents with his foreheads apparently yet when his head was crushed he couldn't, his whole head not being pointed was the only reason Luffy won that fight...you do realize that don't you?

Also Vergo tanked Sanji's strongest attack so far without using Haki...yes he was sent into a wall but he didn't even feel a thing however if Vergo had used Haki how do you know it wouldn't have protected him from Sanji, as Sanji is most likely weaker than Smoker and Vergo tanked Smoker's hits.

Also Haki>>>CP9 techniques...

1. Wanna know why?

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Luffy and Chinjao clashed with kings haki and banshou haki <-----Luffy did not waver, still wasn't enough to beat him

His head may have been a big factor, but luffy didn't resort to using 3rd gear and 2nd at the same time either.



2. Vergo used both haki and cp9 iron mass technique against smoker

where the f*ck did it say sanji is weaker than smoker? Please proof