[Discussion] How is Kizaru not the strongest admiral?

[Legend Slayer]

To me it's really hard to believe that Kizaru is weaker than Akainu. Not only does Kizaru's DF seem more powerful (than any other admirals if not the entire OP) but Kizaru also seems like the most experienced fighter of the admiral's being the oldest. People think that one to the death battle puts Aokiji and Akainu above Kizaru and personally while I agree that it did bring them up a tier it's still unfair to rule out Kizaru's feats. Akainu's power when compared to Kizaru cannot be justified by the fact that his rank is higher. I'm sure that the only reason Kizaru didn't attain that position was because of his slow personality quirks.

Edit : While I'm on the topic I just want clear something up. Many people think Kizaru is "weaker" than Ben Beckman. Personally I'm sure that they are equals. A battle between them could go either way just like EL luffy and Lucci. At MF Kizaru's reaction did not imply fear but rather "oh crap, this guy is definitely someone I can't underestimate"

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Anyway : Barsolino > Akainu > Kuzan IMO

 

[shon93]

Akainu dude

 

[Banisher]

Is it mangastated, that kizaru is weaker than akainu?
I also think, that Kizaru is stronger, but hes lazy af

 

[Legend Slayer]

Is it mangastated, that kizaru is weaker than akainu?
I also think, that Kizaru is stronger, but hes lazy af

It's not stated in the manga but the majority of the fanbase believes Akainu > Kizaru. Which is something I just can't see

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

He has load time in terms of his light speed which is why u can interupt it example Marco ..

Also the funny thing is I remember wa back when akoiji was being introduced he was supposed to b the marines strongest weapon but he did lose to akainu at extreme diff but still lost

 

[Passerby]

*in Kizarus voice*
Ohhhhhh intresting thread

 

[-Akuma-]

What you think Kizaru is the strongest Admiral and is equal to Beckman, so basically you think Beckman can beat Akainu and Kuzan.

 

[Legend Slayer]

What you think Kizaru is the strongest Admiral and is equal to Beckman, so basically you think Beckman can beat Akainu and Kuzan.

Yes I do. Ben and Shanks = Luffy and Zoro in terms of the gap in strength.

Akainu didn't even dare to provoke shanks at MF after he was stopped.

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And if Ben is indeed close to Shanks then then Ben =/ Kizaru > Akainu > Kuzan.

 

[ToshiZO]

All the original Logia trio are equals.

Akainu = Kizaru = Aokiji

Portrayal wise though.
1.Akainu ---Always matched up against Captain (WB/Shanks)
2.Kizaru ---Always matched up against VC (Marco/Ben Beckman/Rayleigh)
3.Aokiji ---Matched up with third guy (Jozu/ no one when Shanks crew came)

 

[Legend Slayer]

All the original Logia trio are equals.

Akainu = Kizaru = Aokiji

Portrayal wise though.
1.Akainu ---Always matched up against Captain (WB/Shanks)
2.Kizaru ---Always matched up against VC (Marco/Ben Beckman/Rayleigh)
2.Aokiji ---Matched up with third guy (Jozu/ no one when Shanks crew came)

This is plausible as well

 

[Passerby]

Yes I do. Ben and Shanks = Luffy and Zoro in terms of the gap in strength.

Akainu didn't even dare to provoke shanks at MF after he was stopped.

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And if Ben is indeed close to Shanks then then Ben =/ Kizaru > Akainu > Kuzan.

Lolololo your drunk
Akainu curbstomped WB Commanders. Beckman ain't shit

 

[Legend Slayer]

Lolololo your drunk
Akainu curbstomped WB Commanders. Beckman ain't shit

WB himself was the biggest threat at MF no doubt about that. But if you look at the level his crew is on compared to himself it kind of pathetic for a Yonko's crew. Marco and Jozu was close to an admirals level but not quite there yet and they were the strongest two guys on the crew. You cannot justify akainu's strength by looking at what he did to the WB commanders either as they were clearly not strong enough at that time. Shanks crew as a whole I personally feel is stronger than WB's if you exclude the captains.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Kizaru>Beckmann
Akainu>Kizaru

It makes no senses storywise for Kizaru to be stronger. The story obviously portrays Akainu as the strongest.

 

[Legend Slayer]

Kizaru>Beckmann
Akainu>Kizaru

It makes no senses storywise for Kizaru to be stronger. The story obviously portrays Akainu as the strongest.

Not necessarily. Fleet admiral is by no means always > admiral. The gaps between them is very small if not equal most times. Garp > Sengoku even though Garp was vice admiral and Sengoku was fleet. Akainu just has a more significant role then kizaru that's all.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

All the original Logia trio are equals.

Akainu = Kizaru = Aokiji

Portrayal wise though.
1.Akainu ---Always matched up against Captain (WB/Shanks)
2.Kizaru ---Always matched up against VC (Marco/Ben Beckman/Rayleigh)
3.Aokiji ---Matched up with third guy (Jozu/ no one when Shanks crew came)

so
luffy
zoro
sanji

 

[bajram]

Anyone one who thinks that Beckman is equal to Kizaru or even stronger based on that single panel is seriously dumb af, no offense but come on...

OT: The C3 were almost equal in terms of power pre-TS and I think that is almost the same post-TS but due to story importance and the way he is portrayed as an EoS villain makes me believe that he is just slightly stronger than Kizaru.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

so
luffy
zoro

Nah, kizaru seemed like leg type/marital artist so sanji will be his opponent

Zoro will most likely fight green bull or fujitoura

 

[Passerby]

WB himself was the biggest threat at MF no doubt about that. But if you look at the level his crew is on compared to himself it kind of pathetic for a Yonko's crew. Marco and Jozu was close to an admirals level but not quite there yet and they were the strongest two guys on the crew. You cannot justify akainu's strength by looking at what he did to the WB commanders either as they were clearly not strong enough at that time. Shanks crew as a whole I personally feel is stronger than WB's if you exclude the captains.

If you say Shanks Crew>WB Crew then how come they weren't named as ones capable of stopping BB? The Gorrose sated that Marco and The rest of WB crew can stop BB but they didn't say Shanks crew.

 

[ssjelf]

Lets put it this way, kizaru got kicked by Marco. Akainu couldn't even be touched by him or vista

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Lets put it this way, kizaru got kicked by Marco. Also I couldn't even be touched by him or vista

Akainu was also slashed by Marco's fangs, he even felt pain.