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he literally just fought whitebeard id love to see shanks capture and threaten to kill one of whitebeards sons then fight him till he dies of old age
and then fight akainu then we can talk... :|
[Discussion] How is Kizaru not the strongest admiral?
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and then fight akainu then we can talk... :|
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I believe Kizaru has the potential to become the strongest Admiral and subsequently take Akainu's place. I think Kizaru does not even try as an admiral, because it seems he's just there for the sake of being there, though Kizaru is definitely strong.
Ice cannot freeze light - Magma cannot melt light. So, Light > Magma > Ice.
Ice cannot freeze light - Magma cannot melt light. So, Light > Magma > Ice.
No he wasn't and no he didn't. It hit him but he was turned into lava just like any other non haki attack vs a logia. He showed no signs of pain but rather irritation because he knew that it is possible for them to hurt him via haki so he had to be careful not to let his guard down. But if he kept his guard up, they couldn't damage him.
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Kizaru fought Whitebeard just as much as Akainu did. Both men held down Whitebeard's bisento with one leg, both landed two attacks.
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Oda said a DF is only as powerful as its user every DF is extremely strong but if the user doesn't use it to its full potential then the fruit may seem weaker for example buggy's chop chop fruit because buggy never trained to utilize his fruit better it looks weak so maybe at some point kizaru felt he was strong enough and it wasn't necessary to train any more
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Garp and Sengoku are an exception... lol.
Garp is the "hero of the marines".. a title that is arguably above the Fleet admiral. And he is also treated as if he is above the admirals. So no reason to use Garp/Sengoku to claim that its the same for Akainu/Kizaru.
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The difference between "Hero of the Marines" and "Fleet Admiral" is one has authority and the other is a cute nickname. It isn't above Fleet Admiral by a centimeter. At the end of the day, if the Hero says to do something and the Fleet Admiral says do the opposite, guess which will be done.
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1-Marco's kick never done any damage to kizaru
2- akainu did feel pain, it was pretty clear looking at the face expression and and the sound he was making
3-stop being so goddamn biased
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Its about influence, Garp refused to be promoted, however, that doesn't take away from his influence.
If Garp says one thing, and Sengoku says the other and both are beneficial for the marines.. there will be a big argument.
"Hero of the marines", sadly isn't a "cute" nickname, if that was the case, Kong wouldn't request Garp to stay with the marines to influence more people to join. The dude has power and influence on the level of the fleet admiral. That "hero of the marines" title is the symbol of Garp's influence in the marines.
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Marcos kicked touched kizaru a real body.
Akainu face showed annoyance. Marco didn't connect with his real body because you can see the lava. The grumbles hewas making stemmed from annoyance not pain.
Stop being an idiot
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I'd agree if those manga pages didn't blatantly prove you wrong. It was a war, there was no such thing as "match-ups," it was a free for all. "A few scuffles here and there" is exactly what every fight was at MF; it wasn't drawn-out 1 vs 1, it was a series of costant, changing clashes I'm on mobile so I can't link them rn, but WB trash talked each Admiral
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Did WB even once have someone else deal with Akainu? Kizaru injuring a half dead WB is hardly anything...Akainu gave WB his first serious injury and his last serious injury.
Its clear as day for anyone who read MF that WB and Akainu were being matched up as the main force from each side.
And the trash talk between Akainu and WB at the beginning was the only mutual one IIRC.
Its clear as day for anyone who read MF that WB and Akainu were being matched up as the main force from each side.
And the trash talk between Akainu and WB at the beginning was the only mutual one IIRC.
They're all more or less equal in strength so I don't see how it makes any difference. There is nothing that puts Akainu over Kizaru or vice versa. From portrayal prospective Akainu's implied to be Luffy opponent in which case he should be stronger than others. It's because of that reason most people believe that he's the strongest.
Akainu's overall relevance in the story & what he represents means that he will be a notch higher than the rest. He was the standout at Marineford and shortly after in Punk Hazard. Every single time he has been put alongside the Admirals he has been 'better'. Oda loves to give an indication of his characters power via portrayal and in that sense Akainu stomps. Additionally, I argue that Kizaru being close to his 60's might be starting to show signs of old age. His fruit might be the strongest or most diverse but his other aspects might not be the best compared to his fellow Admirals or rather the best (Akainu).
Imo the logia trio are equal. Akainu beating Aokiji extreme-diff proves that. Extreme-diff=equals imo. There are no ties in a fight one of them had to win one way or the other and Akainu happened to be the winner.
Imo Akainu=>Aokiji=>Kizaru. At the end of the war Akainu was shitting on the WB commanders, that kind of makes me question everything i've been led to believe.
Either all 3 are equal or Akainu is slightly> Aokiji who is slightly> Kizaru.
Imo Akainu=>Aokiji=>Kizaru. At the end of the war Akainu was shitting on the WB commanders, that kind of makes me question everything i've been led to believe.
Either all 3 are equal or Akainu is slightly> Aokiji who is slightly> Kizaru.
I think the original admirals are equals in almost everyway except for their ambition. Akainu out of the three was the most bullish and uncompromising which kind of made him the defacto leader (in readers eyes at least). We saw in his fight with Aokiji though that there really isn't much of a difference when it came to combat power and I'd imagine it's not much different for Kizaru.