[Discussion] How is Kizaru not the strongest admiral?

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Yes I do. Ben and Shanks = Luffy and Zoro in terms of the gap in strength.

Akainu didn't even dare to provoke shanks at MF after he was stopped.

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And if Ben is indeed close to Shanks then then Ben =/ Kizaru > Akainu > Kuzan.

he literally just fought whitebeard id love to see shanks capture and threaten to kill one of whitebeards sons then fight him till he dies of old age

and then fight akainu then we can talk... :|

 

[Tobi98]

If you say Shanks Crew>WB Crew then how come they weren't named as ones capable of stopping BB? The Gorrose sated that Marco and The rest of WB crew can stop BB but they didn't say Shanks crew.

So what you think Shanks or Big Mom can solo the entire BB's crew? The Gorousei when they said "Yonkous" were clearly talking about the captains and their crews

 

[Passerby]

So what you think Shanks or Big Mom can solo the entire BB's crew? The Gorousei when they said "Yonkous" were clearly talking about the captains and their crews

They clearly said Yonko. They didnt say Yonko and the Crew

 

[Insidious Smile]

I believe Kizaru has the potential to become the strongest Admiral and subsequently take Akainu's place. I think Kizaru does not even try as an admiral, because it seems he's just there for the sake of being there, though Kizaru is definitely strong.

Ice cannot freeze light - Magma cannot melt light. So, Light > Magma > Ice.

 

[ssjelf]

Akainu was also slashed by Marco's fangs, he even felt pain.

No he wasn't and no he didn't. It hit him but he was turned into lava just like any other non haki attack vs a logia. He showed no signs of pain but rather irritation because he knew that it is possible for them to hurt him via haki so he had to be careful not to let his guard down. But if he kept his guard up, they couldn't damage him.

 

[Punk Hazard]

All the original Logia trio are equals.

Akainu = Kizaru = Aokiji

Portrayal wise though.
1.Akainu ---Always matched up against Captain (WB/Shanks)
2.Kizaru ---Always matched up against VC (Marco/Ben Beckman/Rayleigh)
3.Aokiji ---Matched up with third guy (Jozu/ no one when Shanks crew came)

Kizaru fought Whitebeard just as much as Akainu did. Both men held down Whitebeard's bisento with one leg, both landed two attacks.

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[nanadaime]

To me it's really hard to believe that Kizaru is weaker than Akainu. Not only does Kizaru's DF seem more powerful (than any other admirals if not the entire OP) but Kizaru also seems like the most experienced fighter of the admiral's being the oldest. People think that one to the death battle puts Aokiji and Akainu above Kizaru and personally while I agree that it did bring them up a tier it's still unfair to rule out Kizaru's feats. Akainu's power when compared to Kizaru cannot be justified by the fact that his rank is higher. I'm sure that the only reason Kizaru didn't attain that position was because of his slow personality quirks.

Edit : While I'm on the topic I just want clear something up. Many people think Kizaru is "weaker" than Ben Beckman. Personally I'm sure that they are equals. A battle between them could go either way just like EL luffy and Lucci. At MF Kizaru's reaction did not imply fear but rather "oh crap, this guy is definitely someone I can't underestimate"

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Anyway : Barsolino > Akainu > Kuzan IMO

Oda said a DF is only as powerful as its user every DF is extremely strong but if the user doesn't use it to its full potential then the fruit may seem weaker for example buggy's chop chop fruit because buggy never trained to utilize his fruit better it looks weak so maybe at some point kizaru felt he was strong enough and it wasn't necessary to train any more

 

[KingHashirama]

Not necessarily. Fleet admiral is by no means always > admiral. The gaps between them is very small if not equal most times. Garp > Sengoku even though Garp was vice admiral and Sengoku was fleet. Akainu just has a more significant role then kizaru that's all.

Garp and Sengoku are an exception... lol.

Garp is the "hero of the marines".. a title that is arguably above the Fleet admiral. And he is also treated as if he is above the admirals. So no reason to use Garp/Sengoku to claim that its the same for Akainu/Kizaru.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Garp and Sengoku are an exception... lol.

Garp is the "hero of the marines".. a title that is arguably above the Fleet admiral. And he is also treated as if he is above the admirals. So no reason to use Garp/Sengoku to claim that its the same for Akainu/Kizaru.

The difference between "Hero of the Marines" and "Fleet Admiral" is one has authority and the other is a cute nickname. It isn't above Fleet Admiral by a centimeter. At the end of the day, if the Hero says to do something and the Fleet Admiral says do the opposite, guess which will be done.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

No he wasn't and no he didn't. It hit him but he was turned into lava just like any other non haki attack vs a logia. He showed no signs of pain but rather irritation because he knew that it is possible for them to hurt him via haki so he had to be careful not to let his guard down. But if he kept his guard up, they couldn't damage him.

1-Marco's kick never done any damage to kizaru
2- akainu did feel pain, it was pretty clear looking at the face expression and and the sound he was making
3-stop being so goddamn biased

 

[arv993]

The difference between "Hero of the Marines" and "Fleet Admiral" is one has authority and the other is a cute nickname. It isn't above Fleet Admiral by a centimeter. At the end of the day, if the Hero says to do something and the Fleet Admiral says do the opposite, guess which will be done.

Yea fleet admiral has authority but is not the strongest Garp>sengoku has been portrayed. He was probably referring to strength not authority.

 

[KingHashirama]

The difference between "Hero of the Marines" and "Fleet Admiral" is one has authority and the other is a cute nickname. It isn't above Fleet Admiral by a centimeter. At the end of the day, if the Hero says to do something and the Fleet Admiral says do the opposite, guess which will be done.

Its about influence, Garp refused to be promoted, however, that doesn't take away from his influence.

If Garp says one thing, and Sengoku says the other and both are beneficial for the marines.. there will be a big argument.

"Hero of the marines", sadly isn't a "cute" nickname, if that was the case, Kong wouldn't request Garp to stay with the marines to influence more people to join. The dude has power and influence on the level of the fleet admiral. That "hero of the marines" title is the symbol of Garp's influence in the marines.

 

[ssjelf]

1-Marco's kick never done any damage to kizaru
2- akainu did feel pain, it was pretty clear looking at the face expression and and the sound he was making
3-stop being so goddamn biased

Marcos kicked touched kizaru a real body.

Akainu face showed annoyance. Marco didn't connect with his real body because you can see the lava. The grumbles hewas making stemmed from annoyance not pain.

Stop being an idiot

 

[ToshiZO]

Kizaru fought Whitebeard just as much as Akainu did. Both men held down Whitebeard's bisento with one leg, both landed two attacks.

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Nah.

Its clear as day what the matchups are. A few scuffles here or there dont change that. The trash talking between Akainu and WB literally started at the beginning of the war.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nah.

Its clear as day what the matchups are. A few scuffles here or there dont change that. The trash talking between Akainu and WB literally started at the beginning of the war.

I'd agree if those manga pages didn't blatantly prove you wrong. It was a war, there was no such thing as "match-ups," it was a free for all. "A few scuffles here and there" is exactly what every fight was at MF; it wasn't drawn-out 1 vs 1, it was a series of costant, changing clashes I'm on mobile so I can't link them rn, but WB trash talked each Admiral

 

[ToshiZO]

Did WB even once have someone else deal with Akainu? Kizaru injuring a half dead WB is hardly anything...Akainu gave WB his first serious injury and his last serious injury.

Its clear as day for anyone who read MF that WB and Akainu were being matched up as the main force from each side.

And the trash talk between Akainu and WB at the beginning was the only mutual one IIRC.

 

[A v i]

They're all more or less equal in strength so I don't see how it makes any difference. There is nothing that puts Akainu over Kizaru or vice versa. From portrayal prospective Akainu's implied to be Luffy opponent in which case he should be stronger than others. It's because of that reason most people believe that he's the strongest.

 

[Nox]

Akainu's overall relevance in the story & what he represents means that he will be a notch higher than the rest. He was the standout at Marineford and shortly after in Punk Hazard. Every single time he has been put alongside the Admirals he has been 'better'. Oda loves to give an indication of his characters power via portrayal and in that sense Akainu stomps. Additionally, I argue that Kizaru being close to his 60's might be starting to show signs of old age. His fruit might be the strongest or most diverse but his other aspects might not be the best compared to his fellow Admirals or rather the best (Akainu).

 

[Fireplay]

Imo the logia trio are equal. Akainu beating Aokiji extreme-diff proves that. Extreme-diff=equals imo. There are no ties in a fight one of them had to win one way or the other and Akainu happened to be the winner.

Imo Akainu=>Aokiji=>Kizaru. At the end of the war Akainu was shitting on the WB commanders, that kind of makes me question everything i've been led to believe.

Either all 3 are equal or Akainu is slightly> Aokiji who is slightly> Kizaru.

 

[kageking]

I think the original admirals are equals in almost everyway except for their ambition. Akainu out of the three was the most bullish and uncompromising which kind of made him the defacto leader (in readers eyes at least). We saw in his fight with Aokiji though that there really isn't much of a difference when it came to combat power and I'd imagine it's not much different for Kizaru.