How is Itachi > MS Obito?

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Then say automatic when he has Mangekyō activated. It's pretty misleading to leave the sentence halfway @Draphsin.

@PrinceCharles: In fact, I was more leaning to your side. It's Draphsin who's denying it.

@Draphsin: Also, I wonder why Obito's mask broke after Naruto hit him with Rasengan.
Its still not automatic when has ms activated. He has to do it himself. Kamui is not automati. Ms techs arent automatic or else ama would be automatic. Also obito uses kamui with 3tomoe also.

Obito does not have the reflexes to avoid totsuka. He would the be faster than minato which aint true
 
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Its still not automatic when has ms activated. He has to do it himself. Kamui is not automati. Ms techs arent automatic or else ama would be automatic. Also obito uses kamui with 3tomoe also.

Obito does not have the reflexes to avoid totsuka. He would the be faster than minato which aint true

we know its not automatic in a sense but when he activates it he can basically leave that certain body part in kamui until the time limit meaning all attacks will simply phase through him since kamui is still activated.
 

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Intangibility is not automatic.

Yes it is

He can command it, & it activates automatically.

The strongest form of proof is this [ ][ ] Obito needed to deactivate his intangibility in order to touch rin, if it was not an automatic ability that wouldn't have happened.

Kamui has two switches, on & off. It was on when he first reached for rin & the proof is when he earlier phased through kakashi without hesitation. [ ]

More proof of obito evading attacks that he wasnt aware of. [ ] [ ]

Even more proof that intangibility is automatic: [ ] Obito is able to slip through the enemies but why is he not slipping through the ground? Because its automatic for him to have a surface to walk on but he easily phases through the enemies [obstacles] right in front of him, this is also while obito first activated his MS so it holds even more weight when tied to my first form of proof. The automatic ability can be switched off but he didnt know that, thus he ended up phasing through everything in his way.
 
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Only Minato can possibly stand a chance against my boy Obito Uchiha in a one on one battle.
 

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Its still not automatic when has ms activated. He has to do it himself. Kamui is not automati. Ms techs arent automatic or else ama would be automatic. Also obito uses kamui with 3tomoe also.

Obito does not have the reflexes to avoid totsuka. He would the be faster than minato which aint true

Yeah sure buddy he doesnt,his top tier reflexes are what keep him in the game coupled up with Kamui.
Kamui is not automatic,he has to anticipate the attack,activate Kamui and send the body parts that are about to be damaged in the other dimension.
@Draphsin
According to you all Obito has to do is activate Mangekyo and let it go to work,it didnt work that well with Minato,did it?
 

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Intangibility is a mangekyou ability though.

His mask broke because of the kunai strategy, there was a tbb overlapping him so naruto was able to hit the actual obito.

Now you're a bit confusing.

So the Dama was overlapping him, but not Naruto, making only him high-risked to this bomb but not Naruto?

I'm sure Naruto was just in front of him. If Obito was outside, Naruto was too. If Obito was inside, wouldn't Naruto be too?

Also, if he was in the centre of the bomb, saying that Obito was intangible of a part of f.e. let's say torso, but not head, what's the sense? If he went intangible to protect himself of Dama, why didn't he go all intangible? Why just a part, when the other gets 'crushed'?

And Naruto wasn't affected at all, I believe such a big Dama would make some damage.

So...:|
 

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Yes it is

He can command it, & it activates automatically.

The strongest form of proof is this [ ][ ] Obito needed to deactivate his intangibility in order to touch rin, if it was not an automatic ability that wouldn't have happened.

Kamui has two switches, on & off. It was on when he first reached for rin & the proof is when he earlier phased through kakashi without hesitation. [ ]

More proof of obito evading attacks that he wasnt aware of. [ ] [ ]

Even more proof that intangibility is automatic: [ ] Obito is able to slip through the enemies but why is he not slipping through the ground? Because its automatic for him to have a surface to walk on but he easily phases through the enemies [obstacles] right in front of him, this is also while obito first activated his MS so it holds even more weight when tied to my first form of proof. The automatic ability can be switched off but he didnt know that, thus he ended up phasing through everything in his way.

I always figured he activated it at those moments without knowing but you could have a point
 

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According to you all Obito has to do is activate Mangekyo and let it go to work,it didnt work that well with Minato,did it?

Because obito was tangible, he needs to be tangible in order to grab something. Since FTG is instant [thus why minato said whoever is faster will win], he was able to teleport behind obito & smash him before he could activate his warp.

Now you're a bit confusing.

So the Dama was overlapping him, but not Naruto, making only him high-risked to this bomb but not Naruto?

It was overlapping them both, kakashi kamui'd a clone to the dimension.

I'm sure Naruto was just in front of him. If Obito was outside, Naruto was too. If Obito was inside, wouldn't Naruto be too?

Also, if he was in the centre of the bomb, saying that Obito was intangible of a part of f.e. let's say torso, but not head, what's the sense? If he went intangible to protect himself of Dama, why didn't he go all intangible? Why just a part, when the other gets 'crushed'?

And Naruto wasn't affected at all, I believe such a big Dama would make some damage.

So...:|

Okay now I'm confused. Lol

Naruto shot a tbb, naruto clone was in kamui land, obito phased through tbb, obito arrives in kamui land with naruto waiting, obito can't phase because there is a tbb on the other side, therefore obito tanks the rasengan.
 

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Because obito was tangible, he needs to be tangible in order to grab something. Since FTG is instant [thus why minato said whoever is faster will win], he was able to teleport behind obito & smash him before he could activate his warp.



It was overlapping them both, kakashi kamui'd a clone to the dimension.



Okay now I'm confused. Lol

Naruto shot a tbb, naruto clone was in kamui land, obito phased through tbb, obito arrives in kamui land with naruto waiting, obito can't phase because there is a tbb on the other side, therefore obito tanks the rasengan.

What's Kamui Land?

I believe you mean that when he phased through the whole thing.

However, I wonder why he couldn't phase through Naruto again. What do you mean because the Dama was on other side?
 

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What's Kamui Land?

It's easier to say than kamui dimension :cool:

I believe you mean that when he phased through the whole thing.

However, I wonder why he couldn't phase through Naruto again. What do you mean because the Dama was on other side?

Yes that's what I mean.

& if obito were to phase through naruto then that part of his body would exist in the real world, & he'd get destroyed by the tbb that's overlapping him. He took tanking a rasengan over tanking a tbb, it was one or the other because he was essentially trapped.
 

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It's easier to say than kamui dimension :cool:



Yes that's what I mean.

& if obito were to phase through naruto then that part of his body would exist in the real world, & he'd get destroyed by the tbb that's overlapping him. He took tanking a rasengan over tanking a tbb, it was one or the other because he was essentially trapped.

Oh, okay. Now I get it.
 

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Yeah sure buddy he doesnt,his top tier reflexes are what keep him in the game coupled up with Kamui.
Kamui is not automatic,he has to anticipate the attack,activate Kamui and send the body parts that are about to be damaged in the other dimension.
@Draphsin
According to you all Obito has to do is activate Mangekyo and let it go to work,it didnt work that well with Minato,did it?

I didnt say he doesnt have great reflexes. I said he doesnt have the reflexes to avoid totsuka:| which he doesnt. U would have to be minato to avoid totsuka cus its too fast
 

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Itachi can't beat MS Obito.
 

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Yes it is

He can command it, & it activates automatically.

The strongest form of proof is this [ ][ ] Obito needed to deactivate his intangibility in order to touch rin, if it was not an automatic ability that wouldn't have happened.

Kamui has two switches, on & off. It was on when he first reached for rin & the proof is when he earlier phased through kakashi without hesitation. [ ]

More proof of obito evading attacks that he wasnt aware of. [ ] [ ]

Even more proof that intangibility is automatic: [ ] Obito is able to slip through the enemies but why is he not slipping through the ground? Because its automatic for him to have a surface to walk on but he easily phases through the enemies [obstacles] right in front of him, this is also while obito first activated his MS so it holds even more weight when tied to my first form of proof. The automatic ability can be switched off but he didnt know that, thus he ended up phasing through everything in his way.

Ur not makin any sense. If kamui were to be automatic then why did obito hit him. If it were automati that would mean his body is forever be in the other dimension
 

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Ur not makin any sense. If kamui were to be automatic then why did obito hit him. If it were automati that would mean his body is forever be in the other dimension

When something tries to occupy the same space as obito, he goes intangible, however if he uses jutsus such as his mokuton then he becomes tangible.

People/objects that are in his way get bypassed, intangibility stops when he attacks which is why minato was able to hit him.
 

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Tobi wrecks him, Hes better in almost everyway, Tobi's Genjutsu feats are even up there.



Notice the "right now" clearly a reference to Itachi's trap he just countered not a fight and are you really going to completely ignore Itachi stating he needed Sasuke's eyes to fck with Tobi?

he said madara not Obito
 

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There's no point arguing with obito fanboys; Itachi's obviously stronger. All obito has is kamui; His, mokuton is complete shit. I like how you even bring up 'stamina and chakra'; That's literally the only argument haters ever have. Please post one scan (excluding sasuke because itachi wanted to run out of chakra) where itachi's stamina/chakra remotely affected him in anyway before his opponent was eating dirt. That's right, you can't.

Itachi's an analytical, combat genius just like kakashi. He's going to figure a way around kamui eventually.
There's also nothing suggesting obito knows more uchiha techs than itachi. Literally nothing. Itachi studied uchiha history from the time he was a kid and even trained under obito; he even pulled out izanami which we don't even know if obito knows.

No, Obito's reactions are no where near minato's levels lmfaooo. His kamui is instant, that's all. Apart from kamui, his reaction is complete garbage - just take a look at obito V kakashi. Infact, take a look at any obito fight; The guy literally can't dodge any attack. He only kamui's through them because he knows he's not fast enough to dodge, even when dodging would be best.

Finally;
- Obito knew itachi was a spy and a liability to akatsuki
- Obito knew itachi was in his way of getting to sasuke or entering konoha
- Obito had itachi believing he was an invincible immortal (madara uchiha)
- Obito self claimed he knew everything about itachi.
- Obito self claimed there were things itachi didn't know about him (ex. that he was obito in the first place)
- Obito even had akatsuki at his disposal, yet he never tried to kill itachi - itachi who was hindering his plans to touch konoha or sasuke.

Why's that? Because obito knew he was weaker than itachi. There is no other explanation than that. Obito knew if he fought itachi -- who soloed 2 other akatsuki members, and garnered the respect of another, in less than 10 seconds -- he'd be killed. Obito knew that if he sent akatsuki after itachi, He'd be leading his men to slaughter. Obito knew that if he sent akatsuki after itachi, he would now be breaking his treaty with itachi, and there would be nothing holding back itachi from trying his luck against him - the only thing keeping itachi at bay was a mask (I am madara uchiha), I.e. Itachi was scared shitless of the legendary madara uchiha and didn't want to walk into the slaughter house if 'tobi' turned out to be madara in truth.
In the end of the day, Manga supports the fact that Obito is inferior to itachi. As to breaking tsukuyomi, it's highly doubtful seeing as obito made it clear to sasuke that itachi allowed sasuke to break tsukuyomi because he wanted to get orochimaru out of sasuke.




Itachi rapes MS obito.
>In b4 amaterasu won't work
As if it's ****ing neccessary when itachi's primarily a genjutsu fight, and that's what he uses to defeat his opponents. Itachi's most powerful tech isn't susano'o, It's Tsukuyomi because very very few people are able to break it, and it allows him to take down any stubborn foe quickly( when he doesn't feel like having a long fight) with little effort.

Oh, and, finally, Itachi's not a patient man. Nor does he like to waste time in fights. Itachi himself said he likes to end fights quickly, so this stamina argument is completely stupid. Itachi's understands 'the capacity of his power' as he put it. He won't let an opponent see all his deadly techs. When push comes to shove, itachi sets a trap for obito and ****s him up.

PS: and counters Kamui. The former easily leaving obito in state(or dead) as he'd not even be expecting it.

Alas, like I initially stated. There's no point arguing with obito fanboys, they always make some retarded excuse "Obito didn't do anythign because of rin hurr durr" Even though it's plastered through the manga. "Obito's mokuton is hashi's level, hurr durr" but i have no proof. "Obito could easily beat Minato back then, obito just held back hurr durr". "fanfiction fanfiction fanfiction".
 
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