How did the 1st beat Madara???

[Ravone91]

When did Kakashi become an Uchiha? Also, what do you mean Madara wasn't that strong back then? Madara's name alone was enough to make the Daimyos of all the five great nations agree to the first ever shinobi alliance.Furthermore, Madara non-rinnegan techs are powerful.As for all Uchiha getting different abilites when they "awaken their sharingan to a high enough level", that's bullshit.If that was the case, why does sasuke have the same abilities as Itachi? I already know you are going to used the bulls**t their brothers, but that argument is still flawed.Case in point, Madara, someone who died nearly a century ago has Susanoo, and so does Itachi and Sasuke.If it was true that when Uchiha "awaken their sharingan to a high enough level" that they get different abilities, then why would Itachi and Sasuke have Susanoo.The answer is clear, MS give you three abilities and those abilities are the same for all who awaken it.Of the MS abilities that we have seen Sasuke and Itachi used, Madara has used two of them, Susanoo and tsukuyomi during the battle.And if you don't think Madara used tsukuyomi, go back to the chapter when madara first started fighting and you will see him using genjutsu on one of the shinobi.The only thing that different with MS is when someone develops their own jutsu on top of the ones already given when you awaken it;Like Shisui Uchiha's Kotoamatsukami or Sasuke's Blaze Release.

TO YOU, It was stated in the Manga that every Mangekyo sharingan technique is different and created by it's user after acquiring it. Kakashi uses different MS techniques than Itachi and the same goes for Sasuke and Madara. We all know Kakashi is NOT an Uchiha. However, you are correct, every Sharingan user gains the ability to use Amaterasu, Susanoo, and Tsukuyomi after gaining the MS.

Kakashi explains that you can customize the genjutsus sometime before Part II and then again in Part II. Also the users' Susanoos differ between characters.

 

[tristan]

I mean if you think about it Hashirama is known for his powerful wood techs.
Okay now what is the number one enemy of TREES??? FIRE. What burns down a forest in seconds??? FIRE. Isnt Madara one of the strongest Uchiha + he had the 9 tails on his side...what ever happened to just spamming fire techs all day and burning down Hashirama..I mean I dont get how with a matchup like this Madara coulve lost.

I mean...Madara has Fire release...!!!!


EDIT: Since no one seems to get it... I am in no way saying that Madara is stronger than Hashirama I am just saying he had a slight elemental advantage and the 9 tails on his side which can only give him ahigher chance of winning. YET HE STILL LOST. My question is how the fuq does Madara lose with such an advantage when they were both considered equal in terms of skill.

wood = earth + WATER...

 

[Ravone91]

Saying he was a master of all elements was a false statement. But your sense of logic is ****ed beyond proportion. You answer your own question and contradict yourself every time you ask the question.

1. Madara admits that he 1st was stronger.

2. The 1st was a Wood element user, which includes the usage of Water and Earth, both of which have an advantage over Fire element.

3. The 1st learned how to control some of the tailed beasts, which eliminates the possibility of the 9 Tails making the fight harder for him.

Why do you ask the same question repeatedly if the answer is right in front of you?
Maybe you don't grasp simple concepts.

 

[NLee]

Wood Release is Earth & Water.
Hashirama also had Water.

Thread = Fail

 

[Vexorian]

When did Kakashi become an Uchiha? Also, what do you mean Madara wasn't that strong back then? Madara's name alone was enough to make the Daimyos of all the five great nations agree to the first ever shinobi alliance.Furthermore, Madara non-rinnegan techs are powerful.As for all Uchiha getting different abilites when they "awaken their sharingan to a high enough level", that's bullshit.If that was the case, why does sasuke have the same abilities as Itachi? I already know you are going to used the bulls**t their brothers, but that argument is still flawed.Case in point, Madara, someone who died nearly a century ago has Susanoo, and so does Itachi and Sasuke.If it was true that when Uchiha "awaken their sharingan to a high enough level" that they get different abilities, then why would Itachi and Sasuke have Susanoo.The answer is clear, MS give you three abilities and those abilities are the same for all who awaken it.Of the MS abilities that we have seen Sasuke and Itachi used, Madara has used two of them, Susanoo and tsukuyomi during the battle.And if you don't think Madara used tsukuyomi, go back to the chapter when madara first started fighting and you will see him using genjutsu on one of the shinobi.The only thing that different with MS is when someone develops their own jutsu on top of the ones already given when you awaken it;Like Shisui Uchiha's Kotoamatsukami or Sasuke's Blaze Release.

Itachi GAVE Sasuke Amaterasu, or we may very well have seen something quite different come from him. As shown when he tried to burn Tobi alive. Sasuke's Blaze Release is his other MS ability. He gained Tsukiyomi when he implanted Itachi's eyes. Now he has 3 MS techniques + Susano'o. Chances are, Madara has something quite different that he hasn't shown as of yet.

 

[Bonkers]

didn't madara said hashirama the ability to regenerate or heal at fast rate?

 

[BasedNaruto]

Question: How did the 1st beat Madara?
Answer: He gave him wood..

 

[Kakashi Fang]

Mito Uzomaki helped Hashirama with the fox.

As far as Madara vs Hashirama I think Hashirama simply outlasted and wore Madara down. Hashirama can heal his own wounds whilst Madara can't.

 

[jack532]

Whenever Hashirama appeared he is seen with scrolls , he must have the knowledge of sealing technique ......

 

[Aze]

Hashiramas Suiton can counter > Madaras Fire
Hashiramas Wood beats > Madaras Susanoo(attack from underground and pull madara out of susanoo)
Hashiramas Flower Pollen Jutsu > Madara has to use Long range attacks now(Has to keep away from pollen , or it will kill him)
Hashiramas regeneration > any damage done by Madara will be healed.

So this is most likely the reason why Madara lost?

Hashirama is a true descendant of TYS so hes out of this world

 

[diablo646260]

I mean if you think about it Hashirama is known for his powerful wood techs.
Okay now what is the number one enemy of TREES??? FIRE. What burns down a forest in seconds??? FIRE. Isnt Madara one of the strongest Uchiha + he had the 9 tails on his side...what ever happened to just spamming fire techs all day and burning down Hashirama..I mean I dont get how with a matchup like this Madara coulve lost.

I mean...Madara has Fire release...!!!!


EDIT: Since no one seems to get it... I am in no way saying that Madara is stronger than Hashirama I am just saying he had a slight elemental advantage and the 9 tails on his side which can only give him ahigher chance of winning. YET HE STILL LOST. My question is how the fuq does Madara lose with such an advantage when they were both considered equal in terms of skill.

how quickly you forget .....the 1st can control Kurama with mokuton:scorps:

 

[asad70ful]

madara back then didn't have rinnegan or wood release.
so far we saw that he had EMS and fire release (of course there should be more.)
about the part that fire is the worst enemy of wood,

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elemental advantage isn't the only factor. if the technique is powerful it can win even if it has elemental disadvantage.

as you see sasuke's grand fireball couldn't do anything to haku's ice
if ice has a chance against fire, wood definitely has too

this ^

 

[tobi008]

the first fight was to get hasimirara dna

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[stRunF]

Hashirama has water on his side =)

 

[Yo pappy]

the first fight was to get hasimirara dna

Jeez, I'm gettin' tired of people saying that. You don't bring the 9-tails with you just to get a strand of hair from someone. It's true, Madara was after Hashiramas DNA, and what better way to get it than killing him? Don't believe me?

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"I fought him in a fight to the death." << Straight from the horses mouth.

 

[x pellias]

I mean if you think about it Hashirama is known for his powerful wood techs.
Okay now what is the number one enemy of TREES??? FIRE. What burns down a forest in seconds??? FIRE. Isnt Madara one of the strongest Uchiha + he had the 9 tails on his side...what ever happened to just spamming fire techs all day and burning down Hashirama..I mean I dont get how with a matchup like this Madara coulve lost.

I mean...Madara has Fire release...!!!!


EDIT: Since no one seems to get it... I am in no way saying that Madara is stronger than Hashirama I am just saying he had a slight elemental advantage and the 9 tails on his side which can only give him ahigher chance of winning. YET HE STILL LOST. My question is how the fuq does Madara lose with such an advantage when they were both considered equal in terms of skill.

the best possible answer is plot no-jutsu

 

[obiosha]

because big wood makes uchiha-guys melt away like elton johns candle in the wind.

btw: wood = water + earth. water owns fire. earth owns lightning. wood would kill sasuke in a second

:sy: quit trollin man .. how can you say earth owns lightning ... as far as am concerned .. the reason he won is because the kishi wanted it like dat .. right now kishi can decide to make konohamaru the one to defeat sasuke and you have nothing to say about so shut the fcuk up and enjoy the anime

:flaw:

 

[sondrek15]

The first hokage has sickly fast regeneration. I think he tied the ninetails down and outlasted madara. Think about it: An entire forest ties the ninetails down, Madara uses most of his chakara and when he's used almost every bit of chakara hashimara finishes the battle.

 

[Lord Kazekage The Fifth]

if you study the current fight against the kages, you notice that all his current jutsus are actually hashirama's jutsus, only susano is his. and considering now he has the rennigan.....when he fought hashirama, he had no rinnigan....i honestly dont even know how he survived so long...i mean he was hopelessly outmatched my the senju

 

[Rain1123]

I was just wondering or have you all forgotten that in order for Hashirama to master mokuton he first had to master suiton and doton so his mastery of both suiton and doton was on a completely different level which made his mokuton so freaking strong.