How did Kakashi obtained his MS ?!

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We don't know how Kakashi got MS. I was just assuming there was another way to get MS. It could be possible that Sasuke's defection caused such a problem with Kakashi that he connected it with Obito's loss and that awakened it?
It could be possible. CybladeKilla also had a very good point and that's exactly how Sasuke awakened his MS. Maybe Kakashi lost someone during the time-skip, someone we don't know about.
 

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When Tobi and Itachi said "To gain MS you have to kill your close friend", they never said it was the only way to gain it. The reason why they say kill your closet friend is because thats the fastest way. Other ways can take years to awaken (In other words when someone close to you dies without you killing them)
 

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When Tobi and Itachi said "To gain MS you have to kill your close friend", they never said it was the only way to gain it. The reason why they say kill your closet friend is because thats the fastest way. Other ways can take years to awaken (In other words when someone close to you dies without you killing them)
I hear what you say and I like it very much, but we have to add a little condition to it though cause I'm sure a lot more uchiha's would have had it if that was it. Like not only do you loose the close one but at the same time you gotta work to try and develop your Sharingan and eventually after years of waiting, BAM you get it in the mailbox XD !!

EDIT: by developing sharingan I meant knowingly trying to awaken MS, Kakashi knew the end result, most uchiha's didn't. Well they did, but they didn't try to push themselves thinking killing your BFFF is the only way, in your theory Kakashi would have tried anyway.
 

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I hear what you say and I like it very much, but we have to add a little condition to it though cause I'm sure a lot more uchiha's would have had it if that was it. Like not only do you loose the close one but at the same time you gotta work to try and develop your Sharingan and eventually after years of waiting, BAM you get it in the mailbox XD !!

EDIT: by developing sharingan I meant knowingly trying to awaken MS, Kakashi knew the end result, most uchiha's didn't. Well they did, but they didn't try to push themselves thinking killing your BFFF is the only way, in your theory Kakashi would have tried anyway.
Well of course they need to train their sharingan but when someone close to you dies I'm pretty sure MS comes in place right away. I think the reason behind most Uchiha's was that they didn't know about it and even if they did once awaken Uchiha's would be after them knowing they killed a fellow clan member. The only Uchiha excluding Itachi and Sasuke to gain MS was Madara and Izuna, after that no one else has awakened it. It's not that easy to make a really close relationship with friends, as we seen most of it starts from childhood it's like saying Naruto cares for a lot of people if he was Uchiha his only way to awaken MS is if he killed Sasuke or witnessed him die, despite all the poeple he cares about (Sakura, Kakashi, Jiraiya, etc). Sasuke is his rival, bestfriend and brother, thats the relationship you need no just, Hey, your my bestfriend type of thing.

Kakashi's relationship was like that with Obito, as you see Obito was a lot like the way Naruto was and Kakashi was like Sasuke. In Kakashi case he may have had to train his sharingan a lot to awaken it due to the only fact that he is a Non-Uchiha and awakening wise it's like how Sasuke awaken it once he found out the turth of Itachi. Kakashi could've always had MS due to remembering loss of father and than with sharingan he lost Obito, Rin and 4th Hokage Minato in front of him
 

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Well of course they need to train their sharingan but when someone close to you dies I'm pretty sure MS comes in place right away. I think the reason behind most Uchiha's was that they didn't know about it and even if they did once awaken Uchiha's would be after them knowing they killed a fellow clan member. The only Uchiha excluding Itachi and Sasuke to gain MS was Madara and Izuna, after that no one else has awakened it. It's not that easy to make a really close relationship with friends, as we seen most of it starts from childhood it's like saying Naruto cares for a lot of people if he was Uchiha his only way to awaken MS is if he killed Sasuke or witnessed him die, despite all the poeple he cares about (Sakura, Kakashi, Jiraiya, etc). Sasuke is his rival, bestfriend and brother, thats the relationship you need no just, Hey, your my bestfriend type of thing.

Kakashi's relationship was like that with Obito, as you see Obito was a lot like the way Naruto was and Kakashi was like Sasuke. In Kakashi case he may have had to train his sharingan a lot to awaken it due to the only fact that he is a Non-Uchiha and awakening wise it's like how Sasuke awaken it once he found out the turth of Itachi. Kakashi could've always had MS due to remembering loss of father and than with sharingan he lost Obito, Rin and 4th Hokage Minato in front of him
Well I'm pretty sure the Uchiha's knew about MS and how to obtain it (only through killing your best friend) Cause their first suspect in Shisui's death was his best friend Itachi. But maybe they didn't know about it I guess it all depend on how much they knew.

Now when you say it triggers instantly once they lost a close person to them I am obliged to disagree, and point you back at your post before that, in which you said not killing your friend, but witnessing his death takes a considerable more time, and that killing him would be the short cut.

But maybe it is instant, as long as the close one dies and the user knows what to look for... all this is all theories anyway anything goes but my opinion is it takes years if you witnessed it, and started training towards the end product: the MS.
 

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Well I'm pretty sure the Uchiha's knew about MS and how to obtain it (only through killing your best friend) Cause their first suspect in Shisui's death was his best friend Itachi. But maybe they didn't know about it I guess it all depend on how much they knew.

Now when you say it triggers instantly once they lost a close person to them I am obliged to disagree, and point you back at your post before that, in which you said not killing your friend, but witnessing his death takes a considerable more time, and that killing him would be the short cut.

But maybe it is instant, as long as the close one dies and the user knows what to look for... all this is all theories anyway anything goes but my opinion is it takes years if you witnessed it, and started training towards the end product: the MS.
I'm sorry about that I must've not put in much detail. What I meant their was that killing your close friend would awaken it right away since it happened right before you. If that isn't the way an Uchiha wants to go than the only way is for them to witness a close friends death (Now what I meant by taking years is their death not the actually trigging of MS). This Uchiha would only awaken MS when their friend dies in front of them they trigger it right away but the friends death itself can take years since no one knows when they may die.

Now the little theory I can bring on your part is that it could take years to trigger MS if you have lost someone close to you but did not see their death.

Hoped that helped and correct me if I was wrong in anything
 

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Your theory is full of flaws. My question; "Why didn't every Uchiha copy the MS if Kakashi could copy it?". Your response, (2) is Full of bullshit. Madara and Izuna both obtained the Mangekyou Sharingan by killing their friends. Do u think all the Uchihas who existed then wouldn't have noticed? Also, Madara met Itachi after a whole generation or two. That means Uchihas existed for at least several decades AFTER Madara was "killed" by Hashirama. See where you're wrong?

You also need to stop linking manga chapters that has nothing to do with this discussion. Adding useless source just makes u look desperate.

2a, the truth about Itachi was everything he told Sasuke.

2b, that Amaterasu implant was one use only. It wasn't permanent. Sasuke awakened his own MS after learning that Itachi was good all along. You need to completely read my post because I said this in my 1st post that Uchihas don't need to "kill" their closest comrades in order to get MS, witnessing/ feeling emotional trauma is enough.

2c, he's referring to Amaterasu. 2d, Madara said eye techniques, not the Dojutsu (MS). You're the one who corrected me and explained the difference between techniques of Dojutsu and the Dojutsu itself. 2e, everyone knows that, useless info.

2f, I don't see your point. Madara just states that his brother volunteered to give him his eyes. Like I said, not every Uchihas were stupid enough to not figure out that Madara had taken his brother's eyes and killed is friend in order to gain a new Sharingan. , here. Madara says he killed his friends and took his brother's Sharingan to increase his own powers.

2g, useless info.

2h, useless info again. He was around in the Leaf until AFTER it was founded He had EMS much before that. He had MS before he founded the Leaf. Your own link says every Uchiha knew how he obtained his power... I honestly don't see your point.

2i, useless info.

2j, yep, here, a link that Madara himself states that Itachi murdered his friends thus proving my point of how Itachi obtained his MS. Itachi himself has stated this numerous times in the past.

3). Like I said, your theory and I disagree with it completely. Never in a manga did Kakashi copy a Kekkei Genkai technique and he stated himself that he can't. He isn't able to use Tsukiyomi, he uses Kamui and that's my proof. His MS has nothing to do with Itachi's MS.

4). Yeah, they do evolve and gain new abilities. I never denied it. Kakashi copying MS is far-fetched.

5). ROFL, why don't u prove urself by showing me exactly where a Sharingan has copied any Kekkei Genkai, please show me because YOU ARE the one who's handing out theories, not me. We've seen Sharingan copy common ninjutsu but never seen it copy a Kekkei Genkai. Show me proof of a Sharingan doing exactly what you said or your theory is just as irreverent as any other.

6). Every single person on this board knows one doesn't need to kill a friend to obtain the 3 tomoe Sharingan. WHy do u keep bringing it up? MS is different, it comes with a price and it has been stated in the manga more than once. Kill an ally to obtain higher power, lose sight unless u take a sibling's eye. This is why Uchihas are known to have a cursed history filled with bloodshed and violence. <-- That's fact. I'm sure everyone else who has read the manga knows this. See the difference? Ur making shit up meaning all of what u r trying to prove is a theory.

7). read up on the manga and learn some more stuff about Sharingan, then post ur theory because u obviously have no idea how the copy part of Sharingan works. Also, we dont have to provide any proof as u r the one stating ur opinion/ theory. Your theory is implausible and flawed, I don't agree with it and never will.

PS: I'm not arguing, just debating. And shade, i'm not the one who brought ur professionalism into this thread. U stated u know "a thing or two about Biology/ genetics" and I simply stated that u should also know that wikipedia is not a relevant source. Also, Wikileaks is different than Wikipedia and Narut-wiki, wrong again rofl. Search it up, do some research. I will astop trying to explain the obvious facts because u seem ignorant and only seem to believe what u post. As bitter as I might sound, i'm being truthful and if u don't like it, stop responding to me because u won't change my mind with ur oblivious theory.

My opinion; Kakashi obtained his MS during the time-skip. We'll find out if Kishi decides to tell us. His MS has nothing to do with Itachi's encounter.
My responses are full of shit no they are not they are litteral. Your response saying Izuna and Madra both gained the MS through killing their friends dosnet say that at all IT SAYS HE USED HIS FRIENDS AND HE USED HIS FAMILY. Its a actual fact that he killed his friends or his family HIS WORDS WERE USED NOT KILLED. IF USING= KILLING your killing your computer because your useing it to post on the internet. MADRA NEVER STATED THE ENDS < a result of HIS MEANS< the actions that lead to a end or result. SO IF THE TRUTH WAS WHAT HE TOLD SAUSKE HIS TRUTH IS VAGUE making your proof he and his brother killed anyone vague as well. If you use your logic in this statement that using=killing even when it comes to people. People get used in the show and it dosnet equal death for the other people. Soras father was trying to use him because he had nine tails chakra sealed in his body. Again using someone dosent not mean that you killed them.
2)Ive been having to spell everthing out with literal proof my examples people confusing dojuitsu with the eyes.I also had to do the same where I had to explain where blood line limit juitsu cant be copied by the sharingan because of the complexity of nature chakra manipulation. I do kinda know what im talking about when it comes to my understanding of the copying ability of the sharingan. Ive had to and used literal proof.
3)Yeah it says Itachi killed his friend, Itachi killing his friend isnt the issue BUT when you copy a juitsu that is able to be copied your technique isnt 100% the same because of the diffrences between the origional users skill level with their own juitsu. Its like listening to a burned cd thats been copied from another burned CD. you might have 100% of the data but the quality is diminished. Kakashi said this about the taijuitsu that he copied from Lee and taught Sauske around the time when he was trying to teach Sauske Chidori he also taught him Lees taijuitsu.If you could use the tech as well as the origional user then Sauskes taijuitsu would have been better than it was during his matches in the exams
4.)You say the Amaterasu implant was a one time use even being a one time use Sauske never had any TRAINING to use it in his fights before his eyes crapped out on him or after its first use against Madra/tobi. Same with Itachi use time as proof. Itachi unlocked his MS dojuitsu the night before he and Madra killed everyone except sauske. What did Itachi do do extensive dojuitsu training that we know takes a lot of chakra even from the Uchiha blood line to use and then kill his family the next day with out recovering his chakra so he could use his dojuitsu again and fatigue himself again before he fled the village.... YEAH idea makes so much more sense than copying or having the dojuitsu implanted instead of training your ass off to learn a new juitsu like Kakashi had to do to come up with the MS tech Kamui..
5.) Kamui is a reverse summoning(sending something somewhere) MS tech were Amaterasu(bringing forth black flames) would be a MS summoning (bringing forth black flames) we know both summoning and reverse summoning exist because naruto was reverse summoned when he left to get his sage training and and we know summoning of things exist as well Tintin summons weapons and other ninja summon water and other weapons as well. To Create a new juitsu takes time and skill dojuitsu, thus the reason Kamui was never used before the time skip.
6.)I agree and ive proved at least one of the reasons why Kakashi CANT COPY Kekkei Genkai READ AND LOOK AT MY POST #119&124 its has a ass load of links to the base manga for referances about the sharingans abilitys as well as proof of why blood line limits CANT BE COPIED its because of NATURE CHAKRA MANIPULATION <Kakashi explains it himself in post 124 as well as defines Kekkei Genkai(links in post 124) -blood line limit.Ive been having to litteraly spell shit out for some peole and they still dont get it. IF MS WAS A Kekkei Genkai YOU WOULD COMBINE CHAKRA TO FORM A NEW ELEMENT you DONT with MS dojuisu or any other kind of dojuitsu making it not blood line limited or a Kekkei Genkai.I've stated and proved that you CANT COPY Kekkei Genkai and what a Kekkei Genkai is and why it cant be copied. IM TRYING TO PROVE THAT MS DOJUITSU ISNT A Kekkei Genkai(making it a ability that can't be copied because Kekkei Genkai CAN'T be copied) BECAUSE YOU DONT USE TWO DIFFRENT TYPES OF ELEMENTAL CHAKRA TO MAKE A RELEASE STYLE JUITSU FROM ELEMENTAL CHAKRA!! AND I HAVE YET TO SEE EVIDENCE THAT MS TECHS ARE A ELEMENT/BLOOD LINE RELEASE TYPE JUITSU!
7)Your Question is the same as Stampys: Why were there not MS dojuitsu running around if it it was around. It WASNT ALWAYS THERE TO DO SO.Madra/Tobi left with the dojuitsu and his brother didnt have it anymore because he didnt have any eyes then no longer having MS Dojuitsu; no eyes as we know means NO DOJUITSU. So if the only people with MS level techs die or leave or have their dojuitsu sealed/ loose their eyes the rest of the clan couldnt/wouldnt be able to copy the dojuitsu. on top of that people either having to or thinking they have to kill others to unlock new abilites thos juitsu are forbiden because of the cost/sacrafice. And MOST juitsu that require a sacrafice to use/obtain have been labeled as FORBIDEN juitsu>Like Lady Chios reanimation juitsu was a type of forbiden juitsu because the costs of research and use required sacrafices. Same with Orochimarus reincarnation juitsu.People who use forbiden Jutisu that require sacrafice once their found out usually dont stay where they will be killed that would defeat the idea behind learning a new juitsu to help you survive/extend your life. On top of that if there was a civil war within the Uchiha clan in order to aquire MS level dojuitsu almost everyone who would die would be an Uchiha the clan would wipe it self out trying to obtain and control MS dojuitsu and EMS. As well as it wouldnt be stated in the manga that a limited number of the Uchiha clan were able to unlock the MS dojuitsu and it would have spread.The US civil war was one of the deadliest wars for the US because everytime a person was killed it killed someone in the US.
8)I see where I COULD BE WRONG BUT I SEE WHERE WE COULD ALL BE WRONG AS WELL. Because we dont know who the hell is behind Tobi/Madras MASK. And Madra/tobi said he lost that battle but in doing so also lost his EMS but gained the firsts DNA which is what he said he was after in that battle.
9)Again im not posing useless info I've stated as part of my thory that you seem to need at least 3 tamoe to use MS dojuitsu my point of pointing how everyone who uses MS dojuitsu, have at least 3 tamoe is supported by my links. the point that Kakashi had three tamoe and Sauske had 3 tamoe when exposed to Itachis Ms dojuitsu before EITHER used a MS level dojuitsu. If you look at when Sauske only had two Tamoe Itachi says you still dont have my eyes come back and fight me when you do. Look at the links of BEFORE(2 tamoe) and AFTER (3 tamoe) sauske was trying to kill Itachi when he and Kisame returned to the leaf . Sauske unlocks 3 tamoe and then finds Itachi after and Itachi is finally willing to fight him because he has the same Eyes.
10) Yeah Wikipidia/naruto wiki ISNT the best source but it is a easy place to start finding and gathering information. I stoped linking youtube and referanceing wikinaruto and started using the links from the base.
P.S.S I stated "IF" you know anything about genetics you know that just because you have the blood dosent mean you will Have an ability. If that was the case. We could and would manipulate our genetics to create better and better athletes doctors both require certain skills that you dont just wake up when your a child and start running a three minute mile and a three mintute mile record would/could be broken by breeding fast runners together;r preforming open hart surgery. And then you STATED what like your a biolgical science profesional technicaly I am because I my JOB< a profesion prevents BIOLOGICAL CROSSCONTAMINATION that can cause serious and deadly diseases!MRSA is a biological disease,Prions are biological protiens that if cross contanimated and they get in your brain WILL KILL YOU.SO YES I KNOW ABOUT BIOLOGY AND GENETICS AS A PART MY PROFESION. Because you dont read or understand what Im literally pointing out as in the case where i had to spell out the diffrence between having and what a do juitsu is again literal you not knowing dosnet make me ignorant or full of bullshit its the opposite. Ignorance is a lack of knowladge and understanding which is what YOU SHOWED. It may seem like im being desperate but I keep having to spell things out and prove my proof with what your calling useless info. If your in highschool talk to the debate team and or the teacher about establishing proof leagaly known as a burden of evidence and how you do so. You cant ligitmately say somone is full of crap when they litteraly point out evidence. And if your not in school still find out another way about how you litteraly prove a point.Your idea of a debate based on your IDEA that im full of it isn't a logicical/ligitmate way to deabate[/B]. Doing so is like saying the color blue is better than red because I think its better and you think the color red is better because you like it more.
Ive been called out and asked to prove my points and I have litteraly and they havent been litteraly refuted or litteraly rebuffed.
 
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My responses are full of shit no they are not they are litteral. Your response saying Izuna and Madra both gained the MS through killing their friends dosnet say that at all IT SAYS HE USED HIS FRIENDS AND HE USED HIS FAMILY. Its a actual fact that he killed his friends or his family HIS WORDS WERE USED NOT KILLED. IF USING= KILLING your killing your computer because your useing it to post on the internet. MADRA NEVER STATED THE ENDS < a result of HIS MEANS< the actions that lead to a end or result. SO IF THE TRUTH WAS WHAT HE TOLD SAUSKE HIS TRUTH IS VAGUE making your proof he and his brother killed anyone vague as well. If you use your logic in this statement that using=killing even when it comes to people. People get used in the show and it dosnet equal death for the other people. Soras father was trying to use him because he had nine tails chakra sealed in his body. Again using someone dosent not mean that you killed them.
2)Ive been having to spell everthing out with literal proof my examples people confusing dojuitsu with the eyes.I also had to do the same where I had to explain where blood line limit juitsu cant be copied by the sharingan because of the complexity of nature chakra manipulation. I do kinda know what im talking about when it comes to my understanding of the copying ability of the sharingan. Ive had to and used literal proof.
3)Yeah it says Itachi killed his friend, Itachi killing his friend isnt the issue BUT when you copy a juitsu that is able to be copied your technique isnt 100% the same because of the diffrences between the origional users skill level with their own juitsu. Its like listening to a burned cd thats been copied from another burned CD. you might have 100% of the data but the quality is diminished. Kakashi said this about the taijuitsu that he copied from Lee and taught Sauske around the time when he was trying to teach Sauske Chidori he also taught him Lees taijuitsu.If you could use the tech as well as the origional user then Sauskes taijuitsu would have been better than it was during his matches in the exams
4.)You say the Amaterasu implant was a one time use even being a one time use Sauske never had any TRAINING to use it in his fights before his eyes crapped out on him or after its first use against Madra/tobi. Same with Itachi use time as proof. Itachi unlocked his MS dojuitsu the night before he and Madra killed everyone except sauske. What did Itachi do do extensive dojuitsu training that we know takes a lot of chakra even from the Uchiha blood line to use and then kill his family the next day with out recovering his chakra so he could use his dojuitsu again and fatigue himself again before he fled the village.... YEAH idea makes so much more sense than copying or having the dojuitsu implanted instead of training your ass off to learn a new juitsu like Kakashi had to do to come up with the MS tech Kamui..
5.) Kamui is a reverse summoning(sending something somewhere) MS tech were Amaterasu(bringing forth black flames) would be a MS summoning (bringing forth black flames) we know both summoning and reverse summoning exist because naruto was reverse summoned when he left to get his sage training and and we know summoning of things exist as well Tintin summons weapons and other ninja summon water and other weapons as well. To Create a new juitsu takes time and skill dojuitsu, thus the reason Kamui was never used before the time skip.
6.)I agree and ive proved at least one of the reasons why Kakashi CANT COPY Kekkei Genkai READ AND LOOK AT MY POST #119&124 its has a ass load of links to the base manga for referances about the sharingans abilitys as well as proof of why blood line limits CANT BE COPIED its because of NATURE CHAKRA MANIPULATION <Kakashi explains it himself in post 124 as well as defines Kekkei Genkai-blood line limit.Ive been having to spell shit out for some peole and they still dont get it. IF MS WAS A Kekkei Genkai YOU WOULD COMBINE CHAKRA TO FORM A NEW ELEMENT you DONT with MS dojuisu or any other kind of dojuitsu.I've stated and proved that you CANT COPY Kekkei Genkai and what a Kekkei Genkai is and why it cant be copied. IM TRYING TO PROVE THAT MS DOJUITSU ISNT A Kekkei Genkai(making it a ability that can be copied) BECAUSE YOU DONT USE TWO DIFFRENT TYPES OF ELEMENTAL CHAKRA TO MAKE A RELEASE STYLE JUITSU FROM ELEMENTAL CHAKRA!! AND I HAVE YET TO SEE EVIDENCE THAT MS TECHS ARE A ELEMENT/BLOOD LINE RELEASE TYPE JUITSU!
7)Your Question is the same as Stampys: Why were there not MS dojuitsu running around if it it was around. It WASNT ALWAYS THERE TO DO SO.Madra/Tobi left with the dojuitsu and his brother didnt have it anymore because he didnt have any eyes then no longer having MS Dojuitsu; no eyes as we know means NO DOJUITSU. So if the only people with MS level techs die or leave or have their dojuitsu sealed/ loose their eyes the rest of the clan couldnt/wouldnt be able to copy the dojuitsu. on top of that people either having to or thinking they have to kill others to unlock new abilites thos juitsu are forbiden because of the cost/sacrafice. And MOST juitsu that require a sacrafice to use/obtain have been labeled as FORBIDEN juitsu>Like Lady Chios reanimation juitsu was a type of forbiden juitsu because the costs of research and use required sacrafices. Same with Orochimarus reincarnation juitsu.People who use forbiden Jutisu that require sacrafice once their found out usually dont stay where they will be killed that would defeat the idea behind learning a new juitsu to help you survive/extend your life. On top of that if there was a civil war within the Uchiha clan in order to aquire MS level dojuitsu almost everyone who would die would be an Uchiha the clan would wipe it self out trying to obtain and control MS dojuitsu and EMS. As well as it wouldnt be stated in the manga that a limited number of the Uchiha clan were able to unlock the MS dojuitsu and it would have spread.The US civil war was one of the deadliest wars for the US because everytime a person was killed it killed someone in the US.
8)I see where I COULD BE WRONG BUT I SEE WHERE WE COULD ALL BE WRONG AS WELL. Because we dont know who the hell is behind Tobi/Madras MASK. And Madra/tobi said he lost that battle but in doing so also lost his EMS but gained the firsts DNA which is what he said he was after in that battle.
9)Again im not posing useless info I've stated as part of my thory that you seem to need at least 3 tamoe to use MS dojuitsu my point of pointing how everyone who uses MS dojuitsu, have at least 3 tamoe is supported by my links. the point that Kakashi had three tamoe and Sauske had 3 tamoe when exposed to Itachis Ms dojuitsu before EITHER used a MS level dojuitsu. If you look at when Sauske only had two Tamoe Itachi says you still dont have my eyes come back and fight me when you do. Look at the links of BEFORE(2 tamoe) and AFTER (3 tamoe) sauske was trying to kill Itachi when he and Kisame returned to the leaf . Sauske unlocks 3 tamoe and then finds Itachi after and Itachi is finally willing to fight him because he has the same Eyes.
10) Yeah Wikipidia/naruto wiki ISNT the best source but it is a easy place to start finding and gathering information. I stoped linking youtube and referanceing wikinaruto and started using the links from the base.
P.S.S I stated "IF" you know anything about genetics you know that just because you have the blood dosent mean you will Have an ability. If that was the case. We could and would manipulate our genetics to create better and better athletes doctors both require certain skills that you dont just wake up when your a child and start running a three minute mile and a three mintute mile record would/could be broken by breeding fast runners together;r preforming open hart surgery. And then you STATED what like your a biolgical science profesional technicaly I am because I my JOB< a profesion prevents BIOLOGICAL CROSSCONTAMINATION that can cause serious and deadly diseases!MRSA is a biological disease,Prions are biological protiens that if cross contanimated and they get in your brain WILL KILL YOU.SO YES I KNOW ABOUT BIOLOGY AND GENETICS AS A PART MY PROFESION. Because you dont read or understand what Im literally pointing out as in the case where i had to spell out the diffrence between having and what a do juitsu is again literal you not knowing dosnet make me ignorant or full of bullshit its the opposite. Ignorance is a lack of knowladge and understanding which is what YOU SHOWED. It may seem like im being desperate but I keep having to spell things out and prove my proof with what your calling useless info. If your in highschool talk to the debate team and or the teacher about establishing proof leagaly known as a burden of evidence and how you do so. You cant ligitmately say somone is full of crap when they litteraly point out evidence. And if your not in school still find out another way about how you litteraly prove a point.Your idea of a debate based on your IDEA that im full of it isn't a logicical/ligitmate way to deabate[/B]. Doing so is like saying the color blue is better than red because I think its better and you think the color red is better because you like it more.
Ive been called out and asked to prove my points and I have litteraly and they havent been litteraly refuted or litteraly rebuffed.
Jeez, its just Naruto forums, calm down, man.

Also, make your posts shorter. They are hard to read and not just because of the huge wall of text but they're just to messy.
 

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I'm sorry about that I must've not put in much detail. What I meant their was that killing your close friend would awaken it right away since it happened right before you. If that isn't the way an Uchiha wants to go than the only way is for them to witness a close friends death (Now what I meant by taking years is their death not the actually trigging of MS). This Uchiha would only awaken MS when their friend dies in front of them they trigger it right away but the friends death itself can take years since no one knows when they may die.

Now the little theory I can bring on your part is that it could take years to trigger MS if you have lost someone close to you but did not see their death.

Hoped that helped and correct me if I was wrong in anything
You're not wrong at all, its all theories and who da hell I am to judge, I just disagree/agree is all. No I get your point now, why da hell not :) Who knows how many Uchihas actually saw their friends fall in battle. Let's just go for it I like it!
 

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are you serious kakashi told naruto how he got it he said he trained so much that it just happened. like read the mangas or watch the show again this is a waste of a thread.
 

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Jeez, its just Naruto forums, calm down, man.

Also, make your posts shorter. They are hard to read and not just because of the huge wall of text but they're just to messy.
Agreed with EternalMangekyouRinnegan here, you wall of text is just very discouraging to read, try to go shorten it. and space (like not just back to the next line, but put a blank line in between) between arguments so that it makes it easier really. Not that I would care I'm done arguing here I haven't even read it.
 

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are you serious kakashi told naruto how he got it he said he trained so much that it just happened. like read the mangas or watch the show again this is a waste of a thread.
Well would you show us a link to that specific explanation then please :S Cause I just don't remember it, I would appreciate it very much! thank you
 

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Agreed with EternalMangekyouRinnegan here, you wall of text is just very discouraging to read, try to go shorten it. and space (like not just back to the next line, but put a blank line in between) between arguments so that it makes it easier really. Not that I would care I'm done arguing here I haven't even read it.
coming from someone that likes to argue lol
 

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It's all about having respect for one another thoughts and opinions. Their will be some who agree and some who disagree with some people. It does seem like agrument but as long as you aren't saying rude comments to the poster itself than not really an argument just a debate. It's true tho sometimes debate turns in an argument also and than insults will be thrown out.

I know this because not too long ago I had one myself about the stupidest theory have read no offence
 

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Alight Ill try my best to keep it short sweet and litteral. As I'm the one staing the claim that MS dojuitsu can be copied by somone with the correct Sharingan because its not a blood line limited style of juitsu. So in order to keep from talking out my ass and keep my theory valid I have the burden to show proof of my theory. So the who,how,where,when,and why now are mine to prove. And if you want to disprove any theory the who,how,where,when,and why, are now your burden to discredit/disprove with evidence to give your statements credit/merit.

With my burden I'll litteraly prove the diffrence between dojuitsu(eye abilities that come from a type of eye) and Kekkei Genkai(limit of the blood/element release) .

So dojuitsusdefinition-eye ability. Not in the mood to find the manga translation but used in context. Part of the MS dojuitsu is the technique Kamui.
Kekkei Genkai definition/ translation- limit of the blood. Used in context by Kakashi saying its a type of juitsu that USES two types of nature chakra that are called element releases and why he cant copy Element release techniques with Sharingn dojuitsu. .

the who: Kakashi uses Kamui a MS dojuitsu.
the what. Kamui a MS is dojuitsu not a MS ELEMENT because there isnt a MS ELEMENT CHAKRA
the where. Is when Kakashi copys the technique and uses it.
where and when it could have been copied .
Where MS level dojuitsu are useb is when he uses Kamui.
Why could Ms level dojuitsu be copied; because another MS Dojuitsu Ameratsu is able to be implanted/transfered. Ameratsu.

Theres the who what where when and why AS simply as i could state them with sources.

I've stated my burden of evidence in support of my theory. To disprove my theory and proof you need to submit your own burden of evidence. This is how you logicly state evidence and debate.
 

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yup, speaking of experience. No one likes to read a single block of text that extend on two pages. Me loving to argue has nothing to do with the way I present things I try and make it readable, and pass it on. I don't see the harm in that xd
i know u mean but still dude arguing its not cool man

It's all about having respect for one another thoughts and opinions. Their will be some who agree and some who disagree with some people. It does seem like agrument but as long as you aren't saying rude comments to the poster itself than not really an argument just a debate. It's true tho sometimes debate turns in an argument also and than insults will be thrown out.

I know this because not too long ago I had one myself about the stupidest theory have read no offence
ya it is about respecting people but some people like to bash others for stupid reasons in here
 
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