How did Kakashi obtained his MS ?!
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PositiveEmotions
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lol no seriously tho idk if u remember that madara stated that itachi always loved the leaf village and yea
No I know that dude, which is also why he didn't killed Jiraiya when they tried to capture Naruto. (Please nobody argues with me on this one, he was with Kisame, and Jiraiya had no idea what so ever about what MS was at the time.)
PositiveEmotions
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idk if he knew about the ms at the time we do not know that he might of he might of not known who knows and i do not think itachi was really trying to capture naruto but if it was its probably bc of madara but we all know itachi was a good guy the whole time i jst think all he did was jst part of his own plans without madara knowing it
shadedcrow
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it's not obvious? Check it out and also the whole chapter it will make more sense. As well as show Itachis black flames can be sealed/put out.
PositiveEmotions
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yeah I'm sure it didn't have anything to do with Itachi using his MS dojuitsu and then being told by the pervy sage your going to die by my hand.
PositiveEmotions
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Yeah but if you go check out the pages that shadedcrow pointed out, you'll see when he seals the black flames that he has no idea what Itachi did to make it happen. That's why if Itachi truly wanted him dead... he would have litterally killed him on sight... and even if THAT didn't work... he had Kisame to back him up. just saying, I don't think Jiraiya was a big fright to those two at all U_U
PositiveEmotions
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yea but i think itachi vs pervy i think pervy would win i mean he was a sannin and stood a chance against hanzu pervy was like " wtf is that" but he was not afriad
Your theory is full of flaws. My question; "Why didn't every Uchiha copy the MS if Kakashi could copy it?". Your response, (2) is Full of bullshit. Madara and Izuna both obtained the Mangekyou Sharingan by killing their friends. Do u think all the Uchihas who existed then wouldn't have noticed? Also, Madara met Itachi after a whole generation or two. That means Uchihas existed for at least several decades AFTER Madara was "killed" by Hashirama. See where you're wrong?1)About this post I'm glad I'm getting under your skin its making you think research and not be lazy.Not sure other people want you speaking on their behalf.Please for the love of all logic point out my half truths.
2)As for why there werent hundreds of MS using Uchiha running around I'll try to explain it as easy as possible. MS HASNT BEEN AVILABLE OR SHARED TO THEM before they were wiped out. Madra has MS tech dojuitsu he was with Itachi, Shared it with him or told him how to unlock it. Then they both killed the Uchiha clan except Sauske
2a)You must be registered for see linksFirst page of the chapter Saying Madra/Tobi knows the truth about Itachi and the night he killed the clan.
2b)You must be registered for see linksShowing the ability to implant MS juitsu into another sharingan user still everyone had 3 tomoe.
2c)You must be registered for see linksMadra is calling the MS tech a juitsu of Itachis that Sauske hadn't used/seen before his battle.
2d)You must be registered for see linksMS dojuitsu being transfered referanced
2e)You must be registered for see linksMadra/Tobi saying Itachi wasnt acting alone the night everyone died. As well as that he was there as well helping Itachi.
2f)You must be registered for see linksMadra staing he stole his brothers eyes so he could have a flawless sharingan. Rember this because Him having worked with Itachi to destroy the Uchiha makes him and Itachi the only ones with the Dojuitsu at the time of the massacare. The main point of why not everyone had a MS to contend with resuling in the death of everyone excluding Sauske.
2g)You must be registered for see linksreasons why Madra/Tobi would have for revenge/destroying the Uchiha
2h.)You must be registered for see linksmadra leaving the leaf with EMS taking the dojuitsu with him the dojuitsu cant be copied shared if its not around until Madra/Tobi tried to take the nine tails from narutos mom. I'll show this later maybe.
2i)You must be registered for see linksshows Itachi finding madra around the time of the attacks.
2j)You must be registered for see linkshaving MS at the time of his attack after hooking up with Madra/Tobi after his exile and reciving the MS dojuitsu.
2k)You must be registered for see linksmaybe the best page ever printed if you can understand what it means.Has nothing to do with my point but it needs to be mentioned.
Conclusion Madra took his dojuitsu with him when he left and brought it back and passed it to Itachi killed the Uchiha so you dont have everyone running around with the MS and EMS dojuitsu.
3)Your the one who said Kakashi is the user of a 1000 juitsu prove to me that one of those thousand isnt or couldnt be a genjuitsu. And even though he has 1000 juitsu dosnet mean he uses them. Genjuitsu affects a persons mind any dimention or place your mind precieves or better put is a dimension. Heres a definition of dimension-proportionroportion: magnitude or extent; "a building of vast proportions. If the dimention that Itachi created or invaded was only as deep as Kakashis mind it still takes place in a controlled independant dimension.Inside your mind isnt imaginary either its where your being lives from.
4)A sharingan evolves and gains new dojuitsu I proved that with my last post. And if you have ever seen the anime its easier to understand.
5)you state this"a sharingan does not elevate itself to MS by copying a MS because a MS is needed to make that technique..." prove your point to the best of your ability. The dojuitsu of MS are variants of other type of juitsu while haveing Sharingan or MS if you have the chakra like Madra/Tobi said he did and the battle experience with a three tomoe sharingan like Madra/Tobi saysYou must be registered for see linksyou can use your skills to create new juitsu.
6)Also maybe really?"Also maybe a specific MS technique IS copyable but like someone said... you need to fit the MS requirement." Also maybe I couldnt copy what you said had you not said it or done it in the first place. Who and what MS requirement might someone be able to have that is aplicable to kakashi giving him the MS dojuitsu. Itachis dojuitsu fits that catagory. What I've been trying to show is that the MS dojuitsu users have at least three tamoe and you dont have to kill to get it. Naruto is still alive in the case of Sauske proved in my posts.
7)I didnt say my posts are full proof or even foolproofed I want to be wrong so I can learn something I want to know.I've stated facts from the manga our best source of info second.Prove my half truths to be that and I'll shut up about this thread and topic.I'm not deforming anything because you dont like me proving you wrong with out your valid ideas dosnet mean I'm distorting anything. If anything hopefuly it will help clarify whats needed to obtain a MS. the base point behind the thread.
You also need to stop linking manga chapters that has nothing to do with this discussion. Adding useless source just makes u look desperate.
2a, the truth about Itachi was everything he told Sasuke.
2b, that Amaterasu implant was one use only. It wasn't permanent. Sasuke awakened his own MS after learning that Itachi was good all along. You need to completely read my post because I said this in my 1st post that Uchihas don't need to "kill" their closest comrades in order to get MS, witnessing/ feeling emotional trauma is enough.
2c, he's referring to Amaterasu. 2d, Madara said eye techniques, not the Dojutsu (MS). You're the one who corrected me and explained the difference between techniques of Dojutsu and the Dojutsu itself. 2e, everyone knows that, useless info.
2f, I don't see your point. Madara just states that his brother volunteered to give him his eyes. Like I said, not every Uchihas were stupid enough to not figure out that Madara had taken his brother's eyes and killed is friend in order to gain a new Sharingan.
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, here. Madara says he killed his friends and took his brother's Sharingan to increase his own powers. 2g, useless info.
2h, useless info again. He was around in the Leaf until AFTER it was founded He had EMS much before that. He had MS before he founded the Leaf. Your own link says every Uchiha knew how he obtained his power... I honestly don't see your point.
2i, useless info.
2j, yep,
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here, a link that Madara himself states that Itachi murdered his friends thus proving my point of how Itachi obtained his MS. Itachi himself has stated this numerous times in the past.3). Like I said, your theory and I disagree with it completely. Never in a manga did Kakashi copy a Kekkei Genkai technique and he stated himself that he can't. He isn't able to use Tsukiyomi, he uses Kamui and that's my proof. His MS has nothing to do with Itachi's MS.
4). Yeah, they do evolve and gain new abilities. I never denied it. Kakashi copying MS is far-fetched.
5). ROFL, why don't u prove urself by showing me exactly where a Sharingan has copied any Kekkei Genkai, please show me because YOU ARE the one who's handing out theories, not me. We've seen Sharingan copy common ninjutsu but never seen it copy a Kekkei Genkai. Show me proof of a Sharingan doing exactly what you said or your theory is just as irreverent as any other.
6). Every single person on this board knows one doesn't need to kill a friend to obtain the 3 tomoe Sharingan. WHy do u keep bringing it up? MS is different, it comes with a price and it has been stated in the manga more than once. Kill an ally to obtain higher power, lose sight unless u take a sibling's eye. This is why Uchihas are known to have a cursed history filled with bloodshed and violence. <-- That's fact. I'm sure everyone else who has read the manga knows this. See the difference? Ur making shit up meaning all of what u r trying to prove is a theory.
7). read up on the manga and learn some more stuff about Sharingan, then post ur theory because u obviously have no idea how the copy part of Sharingan works. Also, we dont have to provide any proof as u r the one stating ur opinion/ theory. Your theory is implausible and flawed, I don't agree with it and never will.
PS: I'm not arguing, just debating. And shade, i'm not the one who brought ur professionalism into this thread. U stated u know "a thing or two about Biology/ genetics" and I simply stated that u should also know that wikipedia is not a relevant source. Also, Wikileaks is different than Wikipedia and Narut-wiki, wrong again rofl. Search it up, do some research. I will astop trying to explain the obvious facts because u seem ignorant and only seem to believe what u post. As bitter as I might sound, i'm being truthful and if u don't like it, stop responding to me because u won't change my mind with ur oblivious theory.
My opinion; Kakashi obtained his MS during the time-skip. We'll find out if Kishi decides to tell us. His MS has nothing to do with Itachi's encounter.
yep, he never intended to kill anyone. Actually, we haven't seen him kill anyone in the manga after he showed up. The tail-beast that was assigned to them was captured by Kisame. He always avoided the fights and avoided to capture Naruto. He said to Kisame that they should go after him after they catch the 8-tails meaning he did care about Naruto.
He told Kurenai, Asuma that he doesn't want to kill them. He also didn't kill Kakashi on sight even though he could have. Jiraiya was shocked when Itachi was able to escape his trap. Kisame later said something like "why is running away necessary for u".
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Anime is way different from the manga. Never did Itachi say Kisame and Itachi couldn't take Jiraiya on. I'm sure they were more than enough for him. Jiraiya didn't even know what Tsukiyomi was.
PositiveEmotions
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very true itachi always avoided fights and stuff there for itachi always knew naruto wanted to save the leaf village and sasuke
eyesofthekyuubi44
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The thing is though, is that Obito was from Konoha. So Kakashi killed someone from Konoha??
CybladeKilla
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the way kakashi obtained his MS was never revealed. But i think its how many of us think how he obtained it.... He lost evryone close to him, his father who died in front of him, obito sacrificing himself to save kakashi, so on and so forth...... But the true essence on how to obtain MS we can say is to be ones heart in despair over the loss of loved ones..... That! My friends i think is how to unlock MS.
Moreover i think with the extensive use of the MS proves to be dangerous, so i think kakashi too wil face the same thing, BUT...... Only his left eye would become blind...... And i wish he would unlock EMS too!!!! Maybe take one of the sharingan eyes from danzo's stock!!!!! That would be even mor awesome!!!!!
Moreover i think with the extensive use of the MS proves to be dangerous, so i think kakashi too wil face the same thing, BUT...... Only his left eye would become blind...... And i wish he would unlock EMS too!!!! Maybe take one of the sharingan eyes from danzo's stock!!!!! That would be even mor awesome!!!!!
eyesofthekyuubi44
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Jiraiya whips it out, points it at Itachi, then BOOM Itachi's dead.
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We don't know how Kakashi got MS. I was just assuming there was another way to get MS. It could be possible that Sasuke's defection caused such a problem with Kakashi that he connected it with Obito's loss and that awakened it?