It does not matter what Hashirama possess as long as they are in the form of Ninjutsu, Taijutsu (Genjutsu is arguable) Nagato would be able to counter anything Hashirama throws simply because of the abilities of the Rinnegan. As I have stated in my first post unless of course Hashirama has some super hax ability that would trouble and overpower the Rinnegan, which I highly doubt.
Now when turned the other way around, Hashirama has no counters for some of Nagato's abilities.
The scale of the battle would be massive, I doubt Nagato would using his push offensively, especially bc it would be very difficult to get Hashirama in close range if he didn't want you to. Asura, Human, and Naruka would be fodderized imo. None of them would be able to survive flowering trees or wood clones that would be superior in taijutsu. Also, there's no evidence to say that wood style creates wood that can be absorbed by Preta, I could see him trying and getting crushed. Imo, it would be Deva, Animal, and Outer(Nagato) vs Hashirama. Not sure who would win, but like I said, it's too early to tell. We need more Hashi feats. I hate when people claim this guy>this guy when one of the character's feats and abilities haven't been fully shown.
The wood is a physical thing, much like the earth affceted by doton. Till now Preta has shown only able to absorb energy form.
Proof the wood is physicals:
1. Things made of chakra needs a steady supply of chakra to sustain itself or they disappear gradually, like chidori, Susano etc.
2. The enitre forest of Konoha was made by mokuton and they havent disappeared in years even though none feeds them chakra.
Because he can? Hashirama is truly amazing to have fought a perfect Susanoo without preta is sage of 6 paths type of feat imo however Hashirama has no counters for Celestial Tera Blast or Chou Shinra Tensei which blew up a forest
Both two of my favourites but Nagato is a bad match up for anyone currently the only person able to break Celestial Tera Blast is Naruto providing he can make FRS with multiple clones with a Kurama TBB and that would have to be in the early stages
Shodaime's main offensive ability is his Mokuton, and like any other ninjutsu this attack is made of chakra, albeit chakra converted into another form. Nagato will be able to absorb this, as displayed when he absorbed Jiraiya's toad oil. Some find it hard to believe that Preta Path can absorb solid objects, but it can if they are formed initially from chakra.
Nagato has plenty of ways to end this match, but none as effective as the removal of Hashirama's soul. This can be done in two ways; firstly, through the use of Gedo Mazo. Nagato will be able to use the Soul Removal Dragon to instantly take Hashirama's soul, as he did against multiple shinobi in his battle against Hanzo. Note, Hanzo was only able to avoid this jutsu by using the body flicker technique.
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So unless Hashirama will be quick enough to escape this jutsu, he can expect to taste defeat. The second way in which Nagato can take Hashirama's soul is by using the Human Path. The Human Path grants the user the ability to remove the soul of any target they touched as well as read their mind. Now, by combining this with Banshou Tenin, Nagato can create a devastating combo. When under the influence of this jutsu, Hashirama will find it almost impossible to counter, as Naruto was completely immobilised when Nagato used it on him. Naruto only managed to escape due to his chakra arm.
Once being drawn in, Nagato can swiftly proceed to draw out Hashirama's soul.
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Nagato's ability to use multiple paths at once also give him a great advantage in this matchup:
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Hashirama's Mokuton clones can be kept away by Shinra Tensei. Remember, this is a shinra Tensei which the Deva Path was able to use in order to easily fling Gamabunta et al hundreds of yards into the mountains. Added to the fact that Naruto claimed all of Nagato's techniques were stronger when he used it in his real body, you'd be a fool to think Mokuton clones or their offensive techniques will get anyway near Nagato.
Nagato's summons will also cause Hashirama a great deal of difficulty. In particular, The Giant Snake-Tailed Chameleon. Now, this summon this creature can blend with its surroundings for camouflage, so perfectly that it renders itself completely invisible to other viewers around. If Hashirama expects to deal with Nagato, how is he going to stay alert of the invisible summon? It's either or. The Chameleon has feats of destroying houses, so it is not absurd to suggest it would be able to destroy any part of the forrest in which it is summoned in. The snake-tail can be used as a prehensile limb, to be able to grab and capture intended targets for Nagato, which also presents another opportunity for him to take Hashirama's soul.
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Hashirama may also have difficulty with dealing with Cereberus whilst trying to focus on Nagato. It can split apart, when struck, into individual dogs that can then merge back together. It also gains additional heads every time it splits in this way; so Hashirama will not be able to try and physically destroy it, and, without knowledge, is unlikely not to fall into this trap.
Bringer of Darkness does little except negate the sight of the opponent. Shinra Tensei would be able to sufficiently counter this, as Nagato uses himself as the center point, and anything which is not him get's hit. Also remember, Bringer of Darkness is a only short - mid range technique, so Hashirama is very likely to be affected by Shinra Tensei if he uses it.
A sick Nagato was able to use a Chibaku Tensei (through the Deva Path whilst being low on Chakra) capable of housing the Eight tails mode Kyuubi. Logically, a healthy Nagato would be able to create a stronger and bigger variation of this jutsu, one which Hashirama would very much struggle to escape. Mini mountain sized rocks > Wood, so I find it a stretch to say Mokuton will be able to break out of it.
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It took the best part of a Bijuu Dama, Rasen-Shuriken and Yasaka Magatama to destroy the core. It also took Itachi's genius to work out how to destroy it during the initial start up phase. I find it unlikely that Hashirama will have the speed of thought required in order to halt such a jutsu.
Hashirama's power may've been called a myth like the So6P, but let's remember, Nagato was actually called the Second Sage of 6 Paths, so it's not like Hashirama's hype completely overshadows Nagato's.
Shut up. I don't know who you think you are, but you're certainly not someone on this forum that can 'LOL' at people and expect them to agree with your opinion, especially when that person has been here, given more valid arguments and been a much better debater than you overall. Stop being arrogant.
Preta Path absorbs the chakra manipulating Mokuton and leaves dead wood. Any attack around Mokuton is useless, even the paralyzing pollen is useless, because Nagato could sense them and use his mastery of wind to simply waft them away.
Hashirama's healing is useless if he's hit with an Asura path missiles (which would blow up his torso, effectively destroying his CNS, maybe even destroying his head [brain]) It is also rendered useless if Human Path is used, and this isn't a huge stretch because Bansho Tennin and Human Path is a deadly combo
Clones are also another huge point that people bring up, but honestly what are they going to do? If any get close he could just use Chakra Explosion via Asura Path and destroy them all. If they use Mokuton, it will again be absorbed
Bringer of death is easily countered by shared summoning vision / amazing sensing abilities
Let's also not forget that Hashirma has no info of the Rinnegan so will not know any techniques. Meaning he will at first be oblivious to all the techniques. This means Human and Asura Path can be extra dangerous in this fight.
As well as this I don't think Hashirama has any counter to Chibaku Tensei, as he may be able to travel through ground, but the gravity is a lot more than he would be able to move in, so if he is caught in this he will die, no amount of healing will stop being crushed under thousands of tonnes of rock.
Classic Shinra Tensei will also be devastating, if you remember this:
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Then you will see that even in his skeleton state a Shinra Tensei was more than enough to toss fully grown trees away like crumbs, and this shows us the power of the paths in his normal body. Now make that a healthy Nagato and it's destroying any attack / defence Hashirama could possibly have
Worth a mention because most people forget: All paths are a lot more devastating in Nagato's original body than what we saw through the paths. And also note that we only saw these powers through a death-bed Nagato.
Hey, here's a thought.
What if Nagato used Preta Path to just eat the whole Perfect Susanoo?
I'm sure Uchiha Fanboys would be really disappointed to see Madara easily defeated.
I mean, that's all you guys have in your Madara defenses. "PS will own this, PS would own that". Nagato has abilities that can defeat anyone. I'm just saying.
The only thing that I don't know is Nagato vs. Hashirama. They are both Kage level ninja. So don't over power The 1st Hokage.
Hey, here's a thought.
What if Nagato used Preta Path to just eat the whole Perfect Susanoo?
I'm sure Uchiha Fanboys would be really disappointed to see Madara easily defeated.
I mean, that's all you guys have in your Madara defenses. "PS will own this, PS would own that". Nagato has abilities that can defeat anyone. I'm just saying.
The only thing that I don't know is Nagato vs. Hashirama. They are both Kage level ninja. So don't over power The 1st Hokage.
y do u always talk like that to people on here? yes there is a point to make this thread because he wants people to acknowledge his opinion and prove a point.
Obviously no one is going to have a counter for every move. If that's the whole argument then this forum has turned into a downplay of peoples intelligence. If you aren't labeled a genius directly from Kishi's hand (see what I did there), then you are too dumb to figure things out.
Ryuu and Amplitude brought up some excellent points. But all of these points being brought up are examples in a vacuum. You can't take that as solid evidence. There is always another factor.
If the argument is, there is no counter to such and such, then the only guy who can win any battle really comes down to Itachi. After all he could just sweep his Totsuka sword across the universe and win the day.
However, there are always ways for people to counter moves, with the most ridiculous of circumstances. I mean who would have thought having 30 clones hold you up would prove viable to stopping Shinra Tensei, especially when we've seen what its power is capable of.
The truth is, like all other vs. threads, there is no way to really know. However as a fan of both, with a slightly more favor to Hashirama, I would like to believe he has the ability to pull it off.
Obviously no one is going to have a counter for every move. If that's the whole argument then this forum has turned into a downplay of peoples intelligence. If you aren't labeled a genius directly from Kishi's hand (see what I did there), then you are too dumb to figure things out.
Ryuu and Amplitude brought up some excellent points. But all of these points being brought up are examples in a vacuum. You can't take that as solid evidence. There is always another factor.
If the argument is, there is no counter to such and such, then the only guy who can win any battle really comes down to Itachi. After all he could just sweep his Totsuka sword across the universe and win the day.
However, there are always ways for people to counter moves, with the most ridiculous of circumstances. I mean who would have thought having 30 clones hold you up would prove viable to stopping Shinra Tensei, especially when we've seen what its power is capable of.
The truth is, like all other vs. threads, there is no way to really know. However as a fan of both, with a slightly more favor to Hashirama, I would like to believe he has the ability to pull it off.
Your saying if Hashirama cant counter CTB it doesn't matter? CTB is not the totsuka sword it can be countered by anyone fast enough or able to keep it back.Its never sealed anyone moving either.
Ok i just want to point out that ST was stopped in a weakened deva path that would not work vs Nagato.
Im not dissing hashirama hes unbelevably strong to have beaten Perfect Susanoo and the kyubbi do yeah i believe he can pull it off vs any character.I just think perfect mastery of the rinnegan is to much for anyone not just Hashirama
Obviously no one is going to have a counter for every move. If that's the whole argument then this forum has turned into a downplay of peoples intelligence. If you aren't labeled a genius directly from Kishi's hand (see what I did there), then you are too dumb to figure things out.
Ryuu and Amplitude brought up some excellent points. But all of these points being brought up are examples in a vacuum. You can't take that as solid evidence. There is always another factor.
If the argument is, there is no counter to such and such, then the only guy who can win any battle really comes down to Itachi. After all he could just sweep his Totsuka sword across the universe and win the day.
However, there are always ways for people to counter moves, with the most ridiculous of circumstances. I mean who would have thought having 30 clones hold you up would prove viable to stopping Shinra Tensei, especially when we've seen what its power is capable of.
The truth is, like all other vs. threads, there is no way to really know. However as a fan of both, with a slightly more favor to Hashirama, I would like to believe he has the ability to pull it off.
