How can people actually say Raikage beat Sasuke?

[NarutoVsGoku]

Hey I helped too, now give me some rep xd jk but I did help NarutovsGoku right buddy?

And yeah I now we won in the poll and arguments but these come up with different arguments that don't have nothing to do with the fight so yeah these guys are in denial.

yea of course you helped. you made Kyuubi disapear from his own thread lmaooo.

they bringing up Sasuke vs Danzo, Gaara vs Sasuke (kids), Sasuke vs Itachi, talking about how "dumb" Raikage is, argueing about "big Sasunoo", trying make Gaara's sand look feeble, tried to use the plot to defend Sasuke's reason for not dying lol, bashing trolling flamming and lil gay smiley faces.

yeah major denial smh

 

[Ryuji]

lmaoo thats a great way to sum it all up!! hey i hate how Kyuubi ignored you btw.. i was hoping to see which one of the 10 reasons you gave him he would pick lol xd



lmaoo really been winning since the 1st page but after the "fire is solid" there was never any coming back for them.

Yeah I know he said I was bashing at him, and I just wanted him to pick one of the 10 reasons I never said anything directly to him and yeah I was surprised he dissappear for 5 or 7 pages xd and BTW he was bashing at us, ''retard, use your brain, idiots, etc'' I only gave him options never calling him anything.

yea of course you helped. you made Kyuubi disapear from his own thread lmaooo.

they bringing up Sasuke vs Danzo, Gaara vs Sasuke (kids), Sasuke vs Itachi, talking about how "dumb" Raikage is, argueing about "big Sasunoo", trying make Gaara's sand look feeble, tried to use the plot to defend Sasuke's reason for not dying lol, bashing trolling flamming and lil gay smiley faces.

yeah major denial smh

I know it's annoying, we have to clear things up for them and bring the right topic again -.-

 

[-The Agent-]

I declared the winners of this thread about 30 pages ago yet this is still going on, and just so scar doesn't give me an infraction for "spam" I'll say:

A beat Sasuke

 

[Rockavelli]

Sorry to butt in

I don’t particularly like the Raikage nor do I particularly dislike him. However, I do like Sasuke unlike many people here.

Neither Sasuke nor the Raikage won this fight, the outcome is uncertain = we simply don’t know what would have happened.

In Sasuke’s defense:
1. Itachi used an incomplete Susanoo to block kirin which travels at 224000 mph and is an S-rank technique
2. Sasuke clearly knew how to use his “big susanoo” as was evident when Jugo said “So this is what he wanted to test,” and when Sasuke proclaimed “Gaara, this is Susanoo, it’s even greater than your ultimate defense

this is fail logic at play. First of all, Sasuke is NOT Itachi. Secondly, Raikage did in fact CRACK the rib of Sasuke's, so your comment above makes no sense when you look at the facts and not to mention it is completely irrelevant.

Point is Sasuke had enough time to launch his big susanoo which he knew how to use it. Which would have been more than adequate to block the Raikage’s kick

No the fact is that he didn't use big Susano-o; he used ENTON instead.

As for the Raikage had Sasuke used his “big susanoo” he likely would not have been able to injure Sasuke let alone kill him.

Had he not used his “big susanoo” the Raikage would have likely greatly injured or perhaps killed Sasuke. And lost a limb or two in the process (by being engulfed in the inextinguishable flames)

We don’t know how powerful the Raikage’s kick would have been but I doubt it would have been S-rank level

this is the other reason why this form of thinking is illogical. Sasuke did not form a more advance Susano-o until AFTER THE INTERRUPTION. This fact is frighteningly being ignore.O.O

Also this way of thinking reminds of Sasuke's fight with Killer Bee. Sasuke had Amaterasu but didn't use until he after he was nearly killed twice and saved of course, then he raised his arsenal.


I like Sasuke but not at the risk of not talking about events as it actually happened.

lols I thought you were the OP

 

[Ryuji]

Stop the nonesense already, after 40 pages this is just sad .-.

 

[Trinky]

A very concise argument, well said =]

I agree with you, Sasuke won that fight. Not only did he have all of his limbs by the time the battle ended, but he still had the energy to fight Danzo. That point might be irrelevant, but it kinda suggests that Sasuke would have had the energy to properly finish off the Raikage.

 

[Anub]

you know that that cannot be considered "Big Sasunoo".. it is big but it is still an incomplete version. you cannot argue that that version is not the same as what Itachi used and shouldnt even be considered "Big Sasunoo".. but than again throughout the whole time we've been referring to the Sasunoo in the link you provided as 2nd level, and the one with just ribs 1st level.

It's bigger and stronger than 5 ribs.

Yea but that was after the battle and for the escape. Then it went down again

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Did he start off with that or did he get that while battling nope...

I've proven that he had a bigger, stronger version of susanoo available and was most likely about to be used when Raikage attacked sasuke (because you see him using his MS)

I declared the winners of this thread about 30 pages ago yet this is still going on

We're bi-winning.

 

[Ryuji]

@Beca Sasuke was rescued by Madara get some healing by Karin and Zetsu gave him chakra so no he didn't have the nergy to finsih A



And to all: Stop already, just stop posting it's better for this thread and your lives.

 

[ackeem1992]

have you people learnt anything from my last few post?, the match was interrupted, so we will never know the outcome of this fight (never!). Entertaining Possibilities will ultimately blind you from the truth, when its right in in front of you.

It was logically impossible for raikage to win this fight, yes he might have gotten through the two fractured ribs of susanoo, crushing saskue's: lungs, kidney's,wind pipe and upper rib bones, resulting in a tragic death for saskue. Raikage's whole lower body would then burn in amaterasu. amputation of his two legs in the same minute would surely kill him, because the two major arteries In each leg would spray blood like a water gun, putting his body in shock, ultimately dieing from either exsanguination or heart attack.

Plus the flames of amaterasu was turned up at that last moment so raikage whole groan area wouldn't have been caught in the fire, no amputation could have happened at all there (game over)

Logically the fight would have been a tie, because the two opponents would have died as a result of that last move. And that's the reason why I said it would be impossible for raikage to win the fight
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[Universal Enlightenment]

the bold part is the only factual thing you said.

also if all you read is the first page than your opinion really doesnt mean anything. at least skim through the 24 other pages.

everybody who thinks Sasuke would have won have been proven wrong.

in one other aspect you are right, Sasuke and Naruto will not die because they are the main chracters, but that is the exact reason Kishi had Gaara interupt the fight-so Sasuke wouldnt die.

Sasuke i a missing nin. a ninja who abandonned their village. if it wasnt for Tsunade he would have been hunted down to be killed. also he joined Akatsuki, national terrorists, and attacked Bee and attempted to capture him. he killed Danzo. Danzo was a douche but Danzo had good intentions even though he had bad methods. anyways Sasuke killed somebody, "killed" Itachi, "killed" Orochimaru, and other peoples blah blah. he also had intentions of killig Karin, Sakura, Kakashi and Naruto. Sasuke is a bad guy..

and also had not Gaara rescued him he would have died by Raikage..

dude. he abandonned his whole team. Jugo had a fatal hole through his chest. Suigetsu was trapped with a sword through him and Sasuke just left them both. "those who abandon their friends are worse than scum"-Obito.

Akatsuki started in Mist. not cloud.
no we also proved Sasuke wasnt going to activate Sasunoo when fighting Raikage. read the previous pages before jumping into a discussion...



listen. Sasuke did not make idle threats to Kakashi, Sakura, Naruto and Karin. he flat out tried to kill them all. he attacked all of them and was interupted each time. he was about to strike Karin until Sakura appeared. he was about to strike Sakura and kill her before Kakashi appearred. he was about to hit Kakashi with the arrow from his Sasunoo, Kakashi teleported it away and Sakura fails with a suprise attack. again Sasuke is about to kill her and Naruto saves her this time. Naruto and Kakashi argue about whos going to take on Sasuke, Naruto holds on to Kakashi, Sasuke sees the opening goes to strike Kakashi and Naruto counters.

so i repeat Sasuke had intentions of killing them and even attempted to kill them. thats not the same as your anology of just making an idle threat. its like me saying im going to shoot you, point the gun to your face and somebody comes out of nowhere and wrestles the gun away from me. people go to jail for stuff like that, its called "attempt of murder". Im sure you've heard of it.

i did not add anything pointless. you must not be that smart to understand what i told you for you to be saying that. i just proved to you Sasuke is horrible. with not just "intentions" but also through his actions and attempts to attack the Kages, who had nothing to do with him, Gaara specifically for only trying to bring him out of the darkside, killiing Danzo, whether you like Danzo or not killing the hokage is not a nice thing to do, abandoning his team, trying to kill Karin and his old teammates, attacking Bee etc.



lol look whos talking.. troll..

you are a failure Excite. you laugh at me and call me a moron but you cant even sum up a good enough comeback to any of my arguements now can you? you dont answer any of my questions, instead you continue to just call me bipolar and other names thats not even doing nothing. like i said your just a waste.

you post 2 links of Sasuke hitting Gaara with chidori and you make it seem like Gaara was struck twice. you fool. that whole chapter and the 2 links you provided only proves my point that Sasuke penetrated Gaaras defense with speed. and only penetrated it once! not twice like you would try to make others assume by posting 2 links from the very same chapter.

and i love on the second link all you posted ws "second time" and didnt even explain anything lol. you know you are soo wrong but you cant even admit how stupid you are.

thank you for quoting me. now show me exactly where i said Amaterasu is solid? you can roll your eyes all you want but show me where i said Amaterasu is solid.

and you ignored my questions! why would you even bring up Gaara and Sasukes match when they were 3 years younger? why are you even comparing that to Sauske and Itachi? and when did i ever said Gaara was Kazekage 3 years ago? seriously do you know how to read? or do you imagine words that are not there whn you read others replies?

also are you even going to give a serious answer this time or are you going to continue with this pattern of increasing the font of what i say, coloring them, giving stupid smiley faces and bashing me by calling me bipolar and moron? whats it going to be? can you even give a logical educated response Excite?


very well said man



Itachi used an incomplete Sasunoo to bock Kiri? you should reread that fight scene sir.

Sasuke used "big Sasunoo"? explain exactly what a "big Sasunoo" is. and Sasuke was not focused on using any "Big Sasunoo".. he was more focused on maniplating the Amatrasu when A was dropping. proof is his left eye is strained and full of veins which indicates Amaterasu being activated and he is even covering his left eye to better focus. both eyes are used to activate Sasunoo and Sasuke was obviously only using his right to focus on Amaterasu.

you doubt Raikage's kick is S Rank? Raikage's punch was strong enough to put a hole in Jugo, his back chop was strong enough to knock the ribs off of Sasunoo and Sasuke off his feet and to his back, his Lariat is strong enough to take off heads! Bee Lariat was shown to blow a crater in peoples chest and Raikage s the same strength if not stronger than Bee. a leg is twice as strong as an arm, proof? go to a gym and compare how much wieght you can lift with your arms vs your legs. and with gravity added to Raiakge's speed, momemtum, wieght and strength you saying his Leg Drop is not an S Rank attack and not enough to kill Sasuke? really?

once again your dumbness is showing. Sasuke was only able to attack Gaara through the sand because he bypassed it with speed that he copied from Lee.

but that is 3 years ago when Gaara was Kazekage and Sasuke was considered a goo guy. wtf would you compare the older characters to the newer stronger verisons?

whats worse you compare kid Gaaras sand to Itachis full Sasunoo.. wow really? you really compared kid Gaara sand to Itachis full Sasunoo. what was your point in doing that? seriously?

thats when you said garra was kazekage your look above.

Sasuke used chidori twice fightning him at the chunnin exam he used it the first time to break threw his sand denfense and the second because his hand was stuck in the sand you dumb ass look below

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Plus itachi did'nt use the full susanoo when sasuke used kirin

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You repeatly say retarded things thats why i dont respect your shit then you come at me the wrong way when i put my opioin out there then you come at me the wrong way example you stated akatskui started in the mist wrong it was started in the hidden rain, then sasuke killed Itachi & Oro wrong he absorbed Oro and Itachi died from his sickness also before you trashed on sasuke before callin him scum but you like him who does something like that. i usually back my facts up all you do is spam with your wack ass pic comments so fall back and get your data up

 

[Last Arcanum]

The first 10 pages were fine, after the 11th everything was funny xd 20 got personal, 30 went was nonsense and 40 is juts beggining =D


I mean Kyuubi thinks fire and wind is solid, now tell me if that's not being in denial?.

lol.. ever since "fire is solid", you guys have been the winners of this argument.

In my opinion this is ignorance at it's best. You both (and some others) are dismissing the possibility of Kagutsuchi having a solid property simply because it appears to be a shaped 'Amaterasu', am I right?

Do you both mind elaborating on Kishimoto's reasoning behind making the technique have visible spikes / enlighten the use Danzou's 'wind' blade which pierced Sasuke during their fight? According to you two this shouldn't be possible, no?

I just personally do not understand why he wouldn't illustrate it to seemingly have a piercing effect if it did not have one? Denying the possibility of this is being close-minded, imo.

I'm not even picking sides in this 'who will win' discussion because we don't know how the fight would've turned out. We can all have our opinions but in the end they'll only remain that, opinions. The amount of injuries both participants received cannot determine a winner as either or could've turned the battle around at some point. Sasuke's increase of power is usually marked by his feelings of anger, etc. so one shouldn't underestimate him, or A for that matter. In the end this discussion will go on who likes A more and who likes Sasuke more.

At least until Kishimoto makes the two go up again we can't be completely sure and due to Sasuke growth from that time to now, it might be a different story because I find it unlikely that A has had time to train since that fight. But on the same note A was quite reckless during their battle the first time around so one shouldn't be too certain and remain open-minded on this.

 

[Last Arcanum]

look at this kid. after all these people including me saying the thread should be over by now, the idiot's starting up a shitstorm again. i was never a part of this argument so don't start with me fool. don't spend hours on this thread anymore. give it up and get a life son. :flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw:

Kid? Hardly.

I also do not appreciate the immature ridiculing and for your information the only reason I quoted you was due to your post following post:

lol.. ever since "fire is solid", you guys have been the winners of this argument.

I personally insinuated that you were implying that my earlier post about Kagutsuchi possibly having a solid property was disregardable as the other two who you have gave credit to were neglecting the chance of it being so.

I have the right to give my two cents in such a thread and you have no right to obstruct this from me.

 

[KyuubiYondaime]

The poll doesn't look conclusive to me yet.

 

[ackeem1992]

look at this kid. after all these people including me saying the thread should be over by now, the idiot's starting up a shitstorm again. i was never a part of this argument so don't start with me fool. don't spend hours on this thread anymore. give it up and get a life son. :flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw:

I see where your coming from but there wasn't really any need to troll him like that, you had stated we lost the fight pages ago when he implied fire as being solid, now he's just trying to express his analyst of why he suggested fire as being solid, to you (not starting a shit storm).

 

[Schmack]

Kid? Hardly.

I also do not appreciate the immature ridiculing and for your information the only reason I quoted you was due to your post following post:


I personally insinuated that you were implying that my earlier post about Kagutsuchi possibly having a solid property was disregardable as the other two who you have gave credit to were neglecting the chance of it being so.

I have the right to give my two cents in such a thread and you have no right to obstruct this from me.

i never saw your post and i don't want to see it. you assumed that i read your post and was disagreeing with it, but i never got to see the damn post. i never had any interest in these arguments in the first place. i merely tried to end this thread like Ryuji and Dave Chappelle did because i was getting tired of seeing the same shit over and over again everytime i visited the forum. but you? you had to start this shit up again. nice job genius.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

It's bigger and stronger than 5 ribs.



I've proven that he had a bigger, stronger version of susanoo available and was most likely about to be used when Raikage attacked sasuke (because you see him using his MS)


We're bi-winning.

but its not a full Sasunoo. its misleading. and i did already stated that it was bigger than rib version.

no it is more evident that Sasuke was not preparing to use level 2 Sasunoo on Raikage. i explained that a million times now..

and dude seriously dont steal my joke. you didnt even use it right. suppose to say "bi winning" if someone says or asks if your bi polar.. smh you killed the joke now

thats when you said garra was kazekage your look above.

Sasuke used chidori twice fightning him at the chunnin exam he used it the first time to break threw his sand denfense and the second because his hand was stuck in the sand you dumb ass look below

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Plus itachi did'nt use the full susanoo when sasuke used kirin

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You repeatly say retarded things thats why i dont respect your shit then you come at me the wrong way when i put my opioin out there then you come at me the wrong way example you stated akatskui started in the mist wrong it was started in the hidden rain, then sasuke killed Itachi & Oro wrong he absorbed Oro and Itachi died from his sickness also before you trashed on sasuke before callin him scum but you like him who does something like that. i usually back my facts up all you do is spam with your wack ass pic comments so fall back and get your data up

ok i meant to say WASNT on the Gaara Kazekage part. i type fast and made a mistake.

but about the Itachi and incomplete Sasunoo i was wrong i'll admit. i really thought he had used full Sasunoo the whole time. forgot that small detail

i dont repeatedly say retarded things and im suprised you actually responded to me this time with words..

also there is a huge reason why i put "killed" in quotations when i mentioned Sasuke "killing" Itachi and Oro. i had already explained it to you but you obviously didnt even read it. (not suprised) basically we know Itachi SEALED Oro and Itach just dropped dead and planned to die anyways. but to everyone in the ninja world Sasuke is deemed as the one who killed them. just like many of us say Itachi massacred his clan. technically that is also incorrect because it was Itachi AND Madara who massacred the Uchihas. but nobody gets **** when its only said Itachi did it.

i read the manga on where Sasuke hit Gaara with chidori

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this is the first time Sasuke by passed Gaaras sand with speed

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second time he uses his speed to attack through Gaaras sand

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this is the 4th and final time Sasuke penetrates Gaaras sand and its with the chidori. this is proof from the manga. i didnt see your link of the anime and i'll be honest i dont remember if in the anime he struck with chidori once or twice but in the manga it was once. but anyways i dont even know how we came to argue about such a simple detail anyways.. all the details like Sasuke "killing"Oro and Itachi or Gaara being Kazekage is very irrelevant to Raikage winning agaisnt Sasuke..

great job Excite. because you could not make a case for Sasuke you distracted me and dragged me in an arguement totally off topic. but now on topic can you provide any pics from the manga showing Sasuke using an offensive attack and it being successful against A? and by successful i mean it connected and dealt damage, and it must be a offensive attack, not defensive. no "ifs" and "shoulda, coulda, wouldas".

oh and btw you never answered me. when did i ever say fire is solid??? you quoted me and made "amaterasu" red but where did i say it was solid?

The poll doesn't look conclusive to me yet.

lol 17 to 30. come one man even the poll says Sasuke lost!! btw i love how you disapear and than dont respond to the comments made to you.. when are you going to admit you was wrong? btw ya buddy Excite called you a retard. dont believe me? look back a few pages.. i guess even ya buddy knows its ridiculous "fire is solid"

 

[Klepto]

Hands down Sasuke won that fight. Raikage is faster so he was able to land some hits on Sasuke. But because he can't control his weakness (hot headed) he lost his arm and almost his leg. It didn't matter how often he hit Sasuke, Sasuke took the hits and lived. He fought smart and as a result took Raikage's arm, survived 3 of Raikage's 1 hit KO's and lived to tell about it. I'll admit that Sasuke took a beating but I wont agree that he lost that fight.

 

[ackeem1992]

i never saw your post and i don't want to see it. you assumed that i read your post and was disagreeing with it, but i never got to see the damn post. i never had any interest in these arguments in the first place. i merely tried to end this thread like Ryuji and Dave Chappelle did because i was getting tired of seeing the same shit over and over again everytime i visited the forum. but you? you had to start this shit up again. nice job genius.

If your so sick and tired of seeing the same shit being repeated over and over then get off this thread, log out and go to sleep. You didn't start this thread so how could you even intend to end it.
If you had no interest in these arguments why did you even come on here to begin with?

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

but its not a full Sasunoo. its misleading. and i did already stated that it was bigger than rib version.

no it is more evident that Sasuke was not preparing to use level 2 Sasunoo on Raikage. i explained that a million times now..

and dude seriously dont steal my joke. you didnt even use it right. suppose to say "bi winning" if someone says or asks if your bi polar.. smh you killed the joke now



ok i meant to say WASNT on the Gaara Kazekage part. i type fast and made a mistake.

but about the Itachi and incomplete Sasunoo i was wrong i'll admit. i really thought he had used full Sasunoo the whole time. forgot that small detail

i dont repeatedly say retarded things and im suprised you actually responded to me this time with words..

also there is a huge reason why i put "killed" in quotations when i mentioned Sasuke "killing" Itachi and Oro. i had already explained it to you but you obviously didnt even read it. (not suprised) basically we know Itachi SEALED Oro and Itach just dropped dead and planned to die anyways. but to everyone in the ninja world Sasuke is deemed as the one who killed them. just like many of us say Itachi massacred his clan. technically that is also incorrect because it was Itachi AND Madara who massacred the Uchihas. but nobody gets **** when its only said Itachi did it.

i read the manga on where Sasuke hit Gaara with chidori

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this is the first time Sasuke by passed Gaaras sand with speed

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second time he uses his speed to attack through Gaaras sand

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3rd time

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this is the 4th and final time Sasuke penetrates Gaaras sand and its with the chidori. this is proof from the manga. i didnt see your link of the anime and i'll be honest i dont remember if in the anime he struck with chidori once or twice but in the manga it was once. but anyways i dont even know how we came to argue about such a simple detail anyways.. all the details like Sasuke "killing"Oro and Itachi or Gaara being Kazekage is very irrelevant to Raikage winning agaisnt Sasuke..

great job Excite. because you could not make a case for Sasuke you distracted me and dragged me in an arguement totally off topic. but now on topic can you provide any pics from the manga showing Sasuke using an offensive attack and it being successful against A? and by successful i mean it connected and dealt damage, and it must be a offensive attack, not defensive. no "ifs" and "shoulda, coulda, wouldas".

oh and btw you never answered me. when did i ever say fire is solid??? you quoted me and made "amaterasu" red but where did i say it was solid?



lol 17 to 30. come one man even the poll says Sasuke lost!! btw i love how you disapear and than dont respond to the comments made to you.. when are you going to admit you was wrong? btw ya buddy Excite called you a retard. dont believe me? look back a few pages.. i guess even ya buddy knows its ridiculous "fire is solid"

Thank you for writing it respectful now i can do the same for you replying like adults instead of children.The reason i brought up garra was because of his Ultimate denfense compared to susanoo, If sasuke Chidori got threw garra's sand denfense further then Raikage lightning armor leg drop I really don't think it would kill sasuke. Sasuke used Kirin against Itachi but he block it only with susanoo Skeleton ribs look how much damage Kirin did to the Uchiha hideout plus sasuke's a lightning user so does'nt that mean the raikage lightning attack damage decrease?Plus sasuke had his incomplete susanoo to soften the blow again.

the leg did partially go through you moron. and it chioned the blow. Sasuke had 3 defenses to protect him and yu continue to make it sound like the Sand was the only thing stopping Raikage. fom that angle i actually see 3 defenses SLOWING DOWN A, Gaaras Asolute Defense, Amaterasu and Sasunoo. thats 3 defense slowin down Raikage shit brains.

also as soon as Raikage noticed the sand he retreated his attack. which goes to show the sand did not Fully stop his attack. but interupted A's attack is the better way of putting it.

yes i see how the other attack broke right through the ground with Sasuke's body.. thats a great pic.

how about you guys show a pic of Sasukeattacking Raikage!! throughoutthis whole thread i've seen BOTH SIDES of the table gives pics of Raikage attacking, and damaging Sasuke but i have yet to seen any pics of Sasuke attacking Raikage and harming him. can you or someone post a pic where Sasuke attacked and damaged Raikage please????

Right there you did state there was 3 defense protecting sasuke at the time, sasuke used Amaterasu to harm the raikage not to Shield himself because if that was the case there would be no need for susanoo if sasuke already has another defense.

So does are my reasonable reasons why i think sasuke was going to win this one if the raikage was able to keep his cool like bee did he would have had a better chance.The reason so is the raikage has tail beast chakra he could of out last sasuke when it comes to chakra.

 

[Kuroi Honoo]

I have seen many not only disregard but actually degrade the concept of Shape/Nature Transformation regarding "fire is solid". Well, where it may not be solid, it can be shaped to whatever the user wants it to be in terms of shape, properties, etc. Sasuke is skilled in many things but one in particular is this form of chakra control. Take his Chidori Eisō which can indeed pierce as it is evident:

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This is harnessed with the use of Shape Transformation to turn electricity chakra (non-solid) into something that can cut (solid). Sasuke’s Enton is similar with the usage of both Shape/Nature Transformation to manipulate his Amaterasu flames. It still remains unknown what Enton: Kagutsuchi can do. However, many here are stating as fact that it cannot display solid properties. Well through the use of Shape/Nature Transformation this can be achieved-no doubt about it. To say otherwise is calling Kishimoto a lier of his own manga. We can all speculate whether or not Kagutsuchi is solid or not although due to this technique’s halt we have yet to confirm this.

From mere observation of this technique, the name Kagustuchi when translated:

Ka=Fire/Gu=Tool/Tsuchi=Earth/Soil

The "Tsuchi" meaning Earth/Soil may imply that this technique can have solid properties. It seems as though it shields, burns and pierces (in terms of the spike-like shapes). Sasuke also uses Enton to guard against Gaara’s Suna no Tate:

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Sasuke chooses to defend himself with Enton against the same sand shield Gaara used to block A’s Guillotine Drop. It seems as though Sasuke’s Enton can be a very powerful defense as it can block against the Sand Shield which has been labeled "stronger than steel" once before. Which may also give a glimpse as to what Kagutsuchi entails.

Only Kishi ultimately knows who would have won and until these two fight again using their complete arsenal may we then know who is the true victor. To say "Raikage beat Sasuke hands down" is simply ridiculous as Sasuke clearly continued after the fight was interrupted between the two up until he was healed by Zetsu’s Hōshi no Jutsu/Madara’s dimension where Karin healed him.

All we can do is give our personal opinions over the matter but to factually elect one of them as the victor is incorrect.​