How can people actually say Raikage beat Sasuke?

[b.t.o]

If Raikage held his cool, it would have being another story, but as things turns out theres no way Raikage won. And people stating stuff like Raikage could hold his own with EMS Sasuke are just too much Raikage over-rating.

but sasuke doesent have ems yet.

 

[Saphlan]

Guess i forgot to mention, yeah definately before he mastered sage mode. Although i see Sasuke's attacks being extremely fast, Naruto hits hard, but he is slower.

I would also like to see Sasuke win for the same reason as you say. But i'd also like to see Naruto win and get Sasuke back on the team.

This is a real spoiler, i warned you.

Spoiler

I want to see Sasuke become good because of how powerful Kabuto and Madara become, check this out.

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Yeah but that would never happen in the manga. I don't know if the anime is heading that way. Cuz in the manga he has 9 Tail Mode.
I still don't believe it.

Spoiler

Naruto would never die unless its to save Sakura.

I'm just gonna block this from my brain, I don't think I can take it.O.O
:whoa::crazy:stfuWTH:nexus:
Mere emoticons cannot express how I feel right now.
*Starts crying in a corner*

 

[chieflazyarse]

funnily enough I had this exact argument with my friend today, we came to the conclusion that both the raikage and sasuke were very lucky that gaara stepped in when he did i think that raikages last attack would've killed them both

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

just wanted to add this.

oh and to that last line, they may never have tryed to use the akatsuki before but correct me if im wrong.... the hidden leaf and hanzou joined up to attack the original akatsuki members that sought peace (konan,yahiko, and nagato), and wasnt it by both parties that yahiko died? instead of just taking them to a jail or something like that, they told nagato to kill yahiko and forced yahiko to commit suicide.... the leaf hasnt been as peaceful as it been said to be... also discriminating the uchiha to the point of a civil uprise, that had to be ended by the entire clans extermination.......... innocents died because of the wrongs that the leaf had done to them, the leaf is just as bad as the other villages that used the akatsuki for allowing things like these to happen.plus danzou was running a secret underground network for the village that was corrupt, which the hokges must have known about and didnt stop him..... im ranting on and on so im just going to leave it at that lol

i didn't say the leaf were all good, danzo was literally called the enbodiment of all the things wrong with the ninja world by raikage, i was just saying they never hired akatsuki to work for them like the hidden stone did (ghodst everyone had hired akatsuki before) and the hokage didn't know it was still going on because he forced danzo to disband root officially when he was in power.

 

[Ikari Shinji Kun]

funnily enough I had this exact argument with my friend today, we came to the conclusion that both the raikage and sasuke were very lucky that gaara stepped in when he did i think that raikages last attack would've killed them both

Best answer i've heard

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

I started up a nice discussion didn't i lol.

At the summit didn't one of them state that Akatsuki originated from the hidden cloud, And yes i believe the hidden leaf hasn't used the Akatsuki, but Danzou may have.

Also for Gaara stopping the fight, i believe his reasons for that was because he wanted to talk to him while he could. He also wants to try and save him for the sake of Naruto.

Hypothetically Sasuke would have used Sasunoo to stop the Raikage's kick. But didn't because of Gaara's sand.

lol no...mifune said its believed that akatsuki originated in hidden mist and mei said they thought akatsuki was controling the 4th mizukage. danzo hasn't been shown working with them outside of having oro make him his freaky izanagi arm but he didn't hire the group as mercs. but i wouldn't put it past him to use them to take out someone in his way.

yeah he wanted to stop the raikage from setting himself on fire and crushing sasuke at the same time, didn't want one of the kage useless in battle and wanted to try talking sasuke back to the good side, sasuke unlocks his susanoos powers after talking to gaara, if he had another version of susanoo why was he using an enton when the legdrop was maybe 4 or 5 feet away from crushing him? no way he saw gaara show up and expect to be saved by him just in time.

Maybe Sasuke got tired of being on a team full of scrubs. They lost like 2-3 battles already, plus their private company got relocated into the main evil headquaters when they downsized. Plus not counting the losses they each received individually by Oro.

Sasuke team wasn't the allstars he expected. Big sensitive dude talking to birds, later turning into loud mouth rat face man, water man talking trash and side talking mubble, who fancy collecting swords a useless girl who ask people to bite her.

I already knew just by looking at them Sasuke wouldn't be around them for long. He ditched the leaf when they were teaching him bull crap. I am glade Sasuke went onto his own little path or he would have been stuck with Eisbu and stall his training like Naurto.

true they aren't on the kage's and sasukes level (taka) but they did literally save his life twice againest bee, helped fight raikage and his bodyguards no way sasuke is taking on darui/A and C solo without his larger susanoo versions, sasuke probably would have died at the end of his fight with danzo by being stabed by the wind sword if karin hadn't been there to heal him again.

now even they'll turn againest him lol

 

[blackbird31468]

funnily enough I had this exact argument with my friend today, we came to the conclusion that both the raikage and sasuke were very lucky that gaara stepped in when he did i think that raikages last attack would've killed them both

i agree

 

[siyo]

well like most people said raikage was on his way to a victory(of course with consequences)but since gaara stopped the fight, you could argue a draw.

 

[Nightviper]

*Beware spoilers!!!*

okay let me tell you all something...

1 READ THE MANGA AND BE REAL NARUTO FANS

2 No raikage wont win damnit... as its says in the manga

3 READ THE MANGA !!

4 thanks for listening this was Nightviper speakin and i will see you next time...

 

[KyuubiYondaime]

I dont understand why some people have to result to bashing other people because they disagree.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

he did leave them but he only betrayed karin. after being exhausted by fighting the everyone and mainly the raikage he wouldnt be able to fight them all off and still protect them, leaving them behind was the best option leaving them with a opportunity to escape because they would all be after sasuke because he was the last one standing. besides he was sent there to kill danzou by madara, and madara told him to kill danzou plus after what danzou has done to itachi it makes sense why he was bloodlust on killing danzou.

dude. he abandonned his whole team. Jugo had a fatal hole through his chest. Suigetsu was trapped with a sword through him and Sasuke just left them both. "those who abandon their friends are worse than scum"-Obito.

I started up a nice discussion didn't i lol.

At the summit didn't one of them state that Akatsuki originated from the hidden cloud, And yes i believe the hidden leaf hasn't used the Akatsuki, but Danzou may have.

Also for Gaara stopping the fight, i believe his reasons for that was because he wanted to talk to him while he could. He also wants to try and save him for the sake of Naruto.

Hypothetically Sasuke would have used Sasunoo to stop the Raikage's kick. But didn't because of Gaara's sand.

Akatsuki started in Mist. not cloud.

no we also proved Sasuke wasnt going to activate Sasunoo when fighting Raikage. read the previous pages before jumping into a discussion...

Intentions are nothing if they aren't carried out. It's like saying im coming to your house to beat you up, but it's a useless threat if i don't actually do it.
all you did in response to my response is add more pointless stuff. Everything you said, we all know. However i think Danzo is bad in everyway, i think he is worse than even Sasuke. Having intentions doesn't make Sasuke bad. He's only successful in beating all the bad guys on his side. What good guy has he gone after and defeated? please tell me i'd really like to know. He didn't beat Bee, obviously because for one he has complete control over the 8 tails, and has ALOT of skill. On the other hand as much as i'd hate to say it, if he had gone for Naruto instead he would have got him, because he is less skilled then both of them.

listen. Sasuke did not make idle threats to Kakashi, Sakura, Naruto and Karin. he flat out tried to kill them all. he attacked all of them and was interupted each time. he was about to strike Karin until Sakura appeared. he was about to strike Sakura and kill her before Kakashi appearred. he was about to hit Kakashi with the arrow from his Sasunoo, Kakashi teleported it away and Sakura fails with a suprise attack. again Sasuke is about to kill her and Naruto saves her this time. Naruto and Kakashi argue about whos going to take on Sasuke, Naruto holds on to Kakashi, Sasuke sees the opening goes to strike Kakashi and Naruto counters.

so i repeat Sasuke had intentions of killing them and even attempted to kill them. thats not the same as your anology of just making an idle threat. its like me saying im going to shoot you, point the gun to your face and somebody comes out of nowhere and wrestles the gun away from me. people go to jail for stuff like that, its called "attempt of murder". Im sure you've heard of it.

i did not add anything pointless. you must not be that smart to understand what i told you for you to be saying that. i just proved to you Sasuke is horrible. with not just "intentions" but also through his actions and attempts to attack the Kages, who had nothing to do with him, Gaara specifically for only trying to bring him out of the darkside, killiing Danzo, whether you like Danzo or not killing the hokage is not a nice thing to do, abandoning his team, trying to kill Karin and his old teammates, attacking Bee etc.

I dont understand why some people have to result to bashing other people because they disagree.

lol look whos talking.. troll..

 

[GHODST]

woo i made people think.

After careful consideration ( 25 seconds of it ) Either Sasuke or Raikage would have lost that fight without interruption. Maybe even both. I have read all and watched all of Naruto, it's alot to remember, so i don't remember everything. This has helped me remember some stuff goood job ladies and gents. nice discussion. (runs)

 

[KyuubiYondaime]

enough senseless bashing narutovsgoku. I'm not trolling, just posted my thoughts on this fight. I wish Kishimoto hadn't had it interrupted.

Now Naruto was truly saved againts Deidara, Itachi clone, Kakuzu, Pain, Kyuubi (mind), pretty much every fight he's being in.

Atleast Sasuke finished off Deidara and Danzo by himself.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

enough senseless bashing narutovsgoku. I'm not trolling, just posted my thoughts on this fight. I wish Kishimoto hadn't had it interrupted.

Now Naruto was truly saved againts Deidara, Itachi clone, Kakuzu, Pain, Kyuubi (mind), pretty much every fight he's being in.

Atleast Sasuke finished off Deidara and Danzo by himself.

lol i wish he hadnt had Gaara interupt either but than again it would have ended Naruto's purpose on trying to bring back Sasuke and instead of a war between Alliance and Madara it'd be a war between Leaf and Cloud.

your right though Naruto received minor aid in all those fights, Kakashi pulled him out of harms way, Sakura and Chiyo cancelled the genjutsu for him, Yamato pulled Naruto out of the way before he could be captured, Hinata getting hurt helped Naruto go 6tails and Minato helped Naruto gain control of himself and Bee and Kushina helped subdue the Kyuubi.

but compared to Sasuke being near death everytime he recieved help. nearly died twice agaisnt Bee, nearly died fighting Raikage, against the Kages Zetsu and Madara saved him, Zetsu and Madara had to save him again agaisnt Kakashi and Naruto..

btw Sasuke did not finish off Deidara. Deidara self destructed you fanboy. Sasuke didnt have any chakra left to continue fighting. matter fact that reminds me that in alot of Sasukes fights he runs out of chakra in the worse situations. he ran out of chakra fighting Itachi, Kages, after Danzo he was gased and couldnt continue to fight Naruto and Kakashi. but anyways Naruto never had these multiple near death experiences like Sasuke. and Naruto finished off more opponents by himself than Sasuke has; Gaara, Kakuzu, Pain, Kyuubi within him, etc.

anyways thats besides the point. Sasuke lost to Raikage..

make a poll

 

[KyuubiYondaime]

your right though Naruto received minor aid in all those fights, Kakashi pulled him out of harms way, Sakura and Chiyo cancelled the genjutsu for him, Yamato pulled Naruto out of the way before he could be captured, Hinata getting hurt helped Naruto go 6tails and Minato helped Naruto gain control of himself and Bee and Kushina helped subdue the Kyuubi.

but compared to Sasuke being near death everytime he recieved help. nearly died twice agaisnt Bee, nearly died fighting Raikage, against the Kages Zetsu and Madara saved him, Zetsu and Madara had to save him again agaisnt Kakashi and Naruto..

btw Sasuke did not finish off Deidara. Deidara self destructed you fanboy. Sasuke didnt have any chakra left to continue fighting. matter fact that reminds me that in alot of Sasukes fights he runs out of chakra in the worse situations. he ran out of chakra fighting Itachi, Kages, after Danzo he was gased and couldnt continue to fight Naruto and Kakashi. but anyways Naruto never had these multiple near death experiences like Sasuke. and Naruto finished off more opponents by himself than Sasuke has; Gaara, Kakuzu, Pain, Kyuubi within him, etc.

anyways thats besides the point. Sasuke lost to Raikage..

make a poll

Minor aid? He would have DIED without any doubt againts any of them, unlike Sasuke who still had benefit of doubt having 2 defenses up.

1. Deidara's explosion would have killed him, if not for Kakashi. That was an armless Deidara with little clay compared to the one Sasuke beat 100% him holding back.

2. Itachi clone would have cut his throat off if he wasn't busy fighting Kakashi since he took a long ass time to dispel a FINGER genjutsu (and still hadn't done it) and Itachi is fast as hell. Let alone Sharingan genjutsu, Tsukuyomi, etc. Just 30% Itachi. Sasuke would have murdered that Itachi clone in seconds and even put up a good fight to Itachi, even if Itachi was holding back or whatever. Much better than Naruto definetely.

3. Kakashi and Yamato saved Naruto from getting his heart stolen and dying. Sasuke beat his own akatsuki by himself.

4. Minato restored Naruto's strenght to 100% again after Deva had him pinned down, and Naruto had 100% knowledge on Pain, Deva was out for most of the fight, and then Naruto is recuperated.

5. Kyuubi would have killed him in 2 secs if not for Bee, and then mommy PINS him down and Naruto just attacks like a baby.

Deidara doesn't have a Sharingan to tell if Sasuke was out of chakra or not. Sasuke had only done about 5 chidori, and a mid summon. Compared to using 8 MS on the summit, holding Susanoo for 10 mins againts Danzo, summing it three times along with other MS jutsus, or even his displays againts Itachi which he used Oral rebirth, Kirin, etc, he had rarely used any chakra.

Deidara was the one without chakra, not Sasuke. Naruto was saved from CERTAIN death againts armless Deidara, Itachi clone, Kakuzu, Pain, Kyuubi and then won. Sasuke always had the benefit of the doubt and won in more 1 vs 1 fights than Naruto without being saved from certain death.

He ran out of chakra in the summit againts Mei, NOT A.
Sasuke ran out of chakra AFTER killing Danzou, which 1 vs 1 he won.
Sasuke was not out of chakra againts Deidara in the blast, otherwise he wouldn't have being able to summon Manda.

He beat Naruto (part 1)

He beat Deidara, Danzou fair and square.

He beat Yamato and Sai

He beat Orochimaru (Orochimaru was bed-ridden but his physical state wouldn't have mattered, as it was a mental fight. Oro would have always chosen to do the ritual and in that dimension he cannot win because of the Sharingan). And because of the Sharingan the best I see is a stalemate since he sucks so much againts Genjutsu.

Cut off A's arm.

Kakashi would have died to a second arrow considering how he tripped after 1Kamui if Sasuke's chakra wasn't completely drained.

So stop under-rating Sasuke. He's done alot better than Naruto anyway and is strong.

 

[-The Agent-]

We should let this thread die out. Just agree to disagree. After 26 pages it's just becoming redundant.

I think ^ is right.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

Minor aid? He would have DIED without any doubt againts any of them, unlike Sasuke who still had benefit of doubt having 2 defenses up.

1. Deidara's explosion would have killed him, if not for Kakashi. That was an armless Deidara with little clay compared to the one Sasuke beat 100% him holding back.

2. Itachi clone would have cut his throat off if he wasn't busy fighting Kakashi since he took a long ass time to dispel a FINGER genjutsu (and still hadn't done it) and Itachi is fast as hell. Let alone Sharingan genjutsu, Tsukuyomi, etc. Just 30% Itachi. Sasuke would have murdered that Itachi clone in seconds and even put up a good fight to Itachi, even if Itachi was holding back or whatever. Much better than Naruto definetely.

3. Kakashi and Yamato saved Naruto from getting his heart stolen and dying. Sasuke beat his own akatsuki by himself.

4. Minato restored Naruto's strenght to 100% again after Deva had him pinned down, and Naruto had 100% knowledge on Pain, Deva was out for most of the fight, and then Naruto is recuperated.

5. Kyuubi would have killed him in 2 secs if not for Bee, and then mommy PINS him down and Naruto just attacks like a baby.

Deidara doesn't have a Sharingan to tell if Sasuke was out of chakra or not. Sasuke had only done about 5 chidori, and a mid summon. Compared to using 8 MS on the summit, holding Susanoo for 10 mins againts Danzo, summing it three times along with other MS jutsus, or even his displays againts Itachi which he used Oral rebirth, Kirin, etc, he had rarely used any chakra.

Deidara was the one without chakra, not Sasuke. Naruto was saved from CERTAIN death againts armless Deidara, Itachi clone, Kakuzu, Pain, Kyuubi and then won. Sasuke always had the benefit of the doubt and won in more 1 vs 1 fights than Naruto without being saved from certain death.

He ran out of chakra in the summit againts Mei, NOT A.
Sasuke ran out of chakra AFTER killing Danzou, which 1 vs 1 he won.
Sasuke was not out of chakra againts Deidara in the blast, otherwise he wouldn't have being able to summon Manda.

He beat Naruto (part 1)

He beat Deidara, Danzou fair and square.

He beat Yamato and Sai

He beat Orochimaru (Orochimaru was bed-ridden but his physical state wouldn't have mattered, as it was a mental fight. Oro would have always chosen to do the ritual and in that dimension he cannot win because of the Sharingan). And because of the Sharingan the best I see is a stalemate since he sucks so much againts Genjutsu.

Cut off A's arm.

Kakashi would have died to a second arrow considering how he tripped after 1Kamui if Sasuke's chakra wasn't completely drained.

So stop under-rating Sasuke. He's done alot better than Naruto anyway and is strong.

if you want to argue about it make a thread* about it..

Raikage cut his own arm off.. Raikage sacrificed his own arm..

make a poll..

and Agent is right.. this thread has dragged on.. its getting to the point where you dont have nothing to say so you try to argue about other things that are off topic of what the thread is about.... troll

 

[Ryuji]

Butt hurt A fans.

wow this thread is getting longO.O

on the contrary, KyuubiYondaime's penis is getting smaller and smaller in relation.

:rofl:

Sasuke said he didn't need their help. If Juugo was in a genjutsu longer than Sasuke since Sasuke was the one who told him it was a genjutsu how can Juugo react and Sasuke not?

And Suigetsu can react to A but not Sasuke?

Please use your brain.

Your just butthurt because Minato and Shodai are both better Hokages than Sarutobi, and stronger too.

and gaara only saved A you retard.

Sarutobi I hate you.

I dont understand why some people have to result to bashing other people because they disagree.

enough senseless bashing narutovsgoku. I'm not trolling, just posted my thoughts on this fight. I wish Kishimoto hadn't had it interrupted.

Now Naruto was truly saved againts Deidara, Itachi clone, Kakuzu, Pain, Kyuubi (mind), pretty much every fight he's being in.

Atleast Sasuke finished off Deidara and Danzo by himself.

I think ^ is right.

KyuubiYondaime@
Dude your the one who started this thread so don't say that we (A's side) are butt hurt, it's pretty clear that your the butt hurt. You know I've grown tired of this thread it's meaningless to talk to somone who doens't listen to facts he begged for :|, you're keep telling we are bashing at you so please take a peek on what you have said in the bolded parts. NarutovsGoku, Professor Sarutobi and me had clearly beat you in all their is about the fight, so now you're using insults to atleast get the saticsfaction of hurting some one, but guess what? taking an insult from a person who thinks fire is solid is like hitting a baby because it doens't stop crying. I have a brother who's alway getting on the nerves of all our family, but when it comes our turn to tell him what we think and what problems and tears with had to shread for him, he just stays quite or he begins insulting us and that is what your doing right now, you haven't replied to my previous post, so I came to several conclusions on why you still think Sasuke won the fight.

1.- You're a spoiled brat who wants everyone to agree with him.

2.- Something bad pissed you off in real life so you're using us to discharge your anger.

3.- You're a child.

4.- You have the mind of a child.

5.- You're more than a normal Sasuke fan.

6.- You're seeking for attention.

7.- You don't listen to people.

8.- You hate loosing.

9.- To not lose you come to the point where you come up with stupid excuses.

10.- You're dumb.


So wich one is it huh?

That's just 10 I can keep on if you like. So please if you still want keep this up I'm fine with it, is funny to see some one struggle to prove a meaningless point. Or you can just admit your wrong or just don't post here again and let this thread die.

-The Agent-@
I know, I agree but this is fun to read and it keeps me busy in my free time.

 

[Jiraiya the womanizer]

@NarutoVsGoku, Ryuji, Prof. Sarutobi, The Agent

I really had to "extra" make a post to thank you all!

I just finished reading the whole (27 pages) thread. It was awesome and hilarious. And most of all: ENTERTAINING I had to laugh so many times
about the dumbness of some of the users here. Especially the one creating
this thread. Thanks a lot. Rock Solid "Fire"xd(or was it solid like a flame/firexd:flaw

This forum entertains me greatly, again and again. Just because some answers or opinions given some users show their real face so quickly......

Well, you guys (NarutoVsGoku, Ryuji, Prof. Sarutobi, The Agent) had a lot of patience and endurance! Almost like Naruto. I hope you keep it up. Your comments and pics are great. Thanks again.

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

@ Narutovsgoku sasuke did'nt kill Oro or itachi what are you talking about also if your gonna correct someone do it right because Akatsuki was started in the hidden rain u not the mist u dil go re-read the manga you mitt learn something