[Theory] How can Naruto unlock rinnegan (unbiased theory)

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Now before I go into details, I would like first to state how you can get rinnegan. This is essential so we can connect the dots.

According to the manga, the equation of the rinnegan is: rinnegan= senju + uchiha dna.
Therefore hagoromo= senju +dna.
However, if you really think about it, Hagoromo was the child of his mother (obvious I know) and that mother was a powerhouse of chakra since she ate the fruit of Shinjuu which had all its charka. However, she herself didn't have the rinnegan. Therefore, how you explain the fact that he had it? Simply, he didn't get it from birth, the only thing he got was monstrous chakra just like his mother. For that reason hagoromo must have got it by sealing the Juubi inside of it. It's preety logical considering the fact that Juubi's eye, which btw has visual powers, is its main trait, and just like every beast, that way Juubi as well, granted his jinchuuriki its powers.

Now you'll go by countering with the equation rinnegan= senju + uchiha dna. However, what are senju and uchiha in the fist place? Since, hagoromo was a person with poweful chakra, how he made his children to have so diffrent and distinctive traits? The truth is that it's not possible. Those traits came from the Juubi itself and it's obvious, I don't think that I need to prove the similarities between of them. So you could say that in fact Juubi= senju and uchiha.

Based on the previous ones we come the conclusion that Hagoromo didn't have the rinnegan by birth but in fact he acquired it after becoming the Juubi's jinchuuriki. Therefore, we now have 2 equations as to how you get the rinnegan.

1. By being Juubi's jinchuuriki.
2. By having both senju and uchiha dna.

Now, let's examine Obito's case, whom you want so much to take as an example to counter my theory. To do that, we need to examine madara's case as well, who is the only one we know that managed to awake it and we even have information as to how he did it.

Madara managed to evolve his EMS to rinnegan thanks to senju dna and his own. Whether or not you need strictly to follow all the steps to get it is something we can't really know, I mean whether or not you can immediately go from MS to rinnegan. Though, you could say that most probably only those with EMS can since rinnegan is an eternal dojutsu, just like the EMS and therefore EMS' "eternity" could be a clue that you need indeed to have it in order to evolve your eyes further.

If the above is correct, then Obito simply couldn't awake it due to the lack of achieving EMS.

As for the first, alternative way I proposed. You say why he didn't get it by becoming Juubi's Jinchuuriki. Do you remember Madara's statement? he awoke it during his late days. From where has it derived the conclusion that those who become Juubi's jinchuuriki, they get it right away? As far as I remember the only thing we know about Hagoromo is that he had rinnegan but we don't know neither the when nor the how. However, we do know one thing: All the rinnegan abilities that he used, he used them during his very late days. It's then that he divided the Juubi, it's then that he sealed Gedo Mazo by creating the moon. (And it's then when he created his sons the same way he created the nine tailed beast? I can't back up the latter based on strong evidence so let's leave it as it is). Point is that at this moment I see a strong similarity between madara and hagoromo; both of them started to use it when they were about to die.

The reason for that is that they couldn't before, exactly because they haven't awakened rinnegan yet. The fact that Hagoromo decided to divide Juubi during his latest days could very well fit to the image of trying to do the right before leaving this world but couldn't also mean that he chose to do it at that exact time because like Madara, he didn't have access before?

Therefore, Obito didn't awaken it because he didn't reach his old age. Ofc, no one has said that you need to reach the latter in order to do it. It can also very well be interpretted that you need to be at the point of being about to die - Obito wasn't. Even when alll the bijuu were extracted, Kurama mentioned that Gedo mazo's lifeforce was strong enough to keep him alive (and he was planning to revive everyone at that moment!). Now that the gedo left, he can still survive because of Black Zetsu (for the time being).


Now to come to the main point of this thread and how naruto can awake rinnegan

I have already proven that by being Juubi's jinchuuriki and by being about to die, you can unlock the rinnegan. Naruto has already experienced the latter (even though Kushina experienced the same thing with Naruto, she did survive for some time only to be killed by Kurama. We don't know though for sure as to whether she could be cured or not).
So the only thing is needed now is to become Juubi's jinchuuriki. Ofc, he can't become of the whole thing but I think you know where I'm getting with this. Naruto had already got chakra from 7 out of the 9 tailed beasts and now Ichibi and Hachibi (or at least one of its tails, lol) are there to provide the rest of the ingredients. Minato can be used as a substitute for the loss of half of Kurama by providing his own.

For those of you who will say that Gezo sucked all the chakra naruto had got from the other beasts, well learn that even if that happened, it's not a big deal. At a previous chapter Sakura had commented about how when Naruto ran out of charka and the cloaks he had provided to the alliance ran as well, she thought that he was out of juice, however, once he got it back, the cloaks were reactivated as well meaning that there is always something that's left behind. That something can still be enough but in case it's not, the bijuu can still give him chakra again via telepathy, the same way he gave to the alliance once he had more chakra and had come in contact with them in a previous moment.

So by getting chakra from all the tailed beasts he can make a mix of them and therefore enter a pseudo jinchuuriki state of Juubi since the mix would have chakra from all the nine of them. By doing that and by having already being about to die as we saw in the last chapter, he will have completed both of the 2 requirements for one of the ways we established to unlock rinnegan.

I know that I spent too much time analyzing other things in the beginning but if I hadn't I wouldn't be able to establish my theory correctly.

Hope you liked it=D
 
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It's my fault, but I wasn't able to read the topic. Don't blame me, it's a lot.
Just wanted to say that Naruto can't unlock the Rinnegan simply because:
1. He can't gain Uchiha DNA from anywhere.
2. Juubi Jinchuuriki doesn't mean getting the Rinnegan. We've see this already at Obito. By this theory he should have had both eyes Rinnegan.
 

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Naruto cant get Rinnegan, not because of anything you said, but because that would be retarded xD
Lol well I try to base my theory based on logic and besides whether or not is something retaded, I don't agree=D
It's my fault, but I wasn't able to read the topic. Don't blame me, it's a lot.
Just wanted to say that Naruto can't unlock the Rinnegan simply because:
1. He can't gain Uchiha DNA from anywhere.
2. Juubi Jinchuuriki doesn't mean getting the Rinnegan. We've see this already at Obito. By this theory he should have had both eyes Rinnegan.
Lol it's hillarious how you used that argument because it's the exact argument I use a possible counter- argumnet and I have already answered to that. Ofc, if you're too lazy to read and answer me respecitvely, don't expect me to hear this stupid argument.
 
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i think you are correct at your predictions on the end, but i hardly think naruto will get the rinnegan, unless he gets the whole juubi

noone knows who hagoromo was, maybe he was a uzumaki?

maybe he did get the rinnegan from the juubi?

there are too many plotholes, so i guess we will have to see for ourselves
 
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Hmmm...

Assuming that Hagoromo couldn't use Rin'negan abilities prior to old age because of a lack of a showing of Jutsu is fallacious. It is dis-proven by the fact that In'youton and it's variations such as Banbutsu Sozo are only producible by the Rin'engan, Something Hagoromo did during his life time as he created many things and also made use of a holy sword known as the Sword of Nunoboko. Now the entire issue of Kaguya having the Rin'negan is entirely possible. Kaguya, upon ingesting the fruit, experienced the surges deployed by the molding of the Shintai Enerugi and Seishin Enerugi [unknowingly] rooted within her body thus producing 'Chakra'----Chakra not to be used as 'Ninjutsu' as it did not exist at the time but jointly with Doujutsu as the power of a God: The Rin'negan. It would make no sense to give Kaguya Chakra without it having any use. Rikudo is then born a prodigy, naturally inheriting the Doujutsu as well as the ability to harness chakra.

As for Madara, he needed 2 elements to unlock the Rin'engan: Senju DNA + Near death Experience. It follows the trend of up-scaling the Uchiha's Doujutsu that: Gaining Tomoe's are done through experience and intense battle scenarios, gaining the Mangekyo requires you to kill a close relative, ect. This however is completely different to Rikudo acquiring the Doujutsu and really shouldn't be contrasted.

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So the only thing is needed now is to become Juubi's jinchuuriki. Ofc, he can't become of the whole thing but I think you know where I'm getting with this. naruto had already got chakra from 7 out of the 9 tailed beasts and now Ichibi and Hachibi (or at least one of its tails, lol) are there to provide the rest of the ingredients. Minato can be used as as substitute for the loss of half of Kurama by providing his own.

Albeit, for Naruto to awaken the Rikudo's Doūjutsu would require the Bijū chakra within him to rival that of the fruit, being the least as it's (the fruits) composition [A portion of the Shinjū's power; better worded as a portion of the Shinjū's composition] was specific; sufficient to supply KaguyaDoūjutsu and a body able to harness chakra as well as Natural energy. The power accumulated from the Bijū has thus far had no effect on Naruto's power----the only remaining option for Naruto is being Host of the full Jūbi and to that I will agree.
 
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i think you are correct at your predictions on the end, but i hardly think naruto will get the rinnegan, unless he gets the whole juubi

noone knows who hagoromo was, maybe he was a uzumaki?

maybe he did get the rinnegan from the juubi?

there are too many plotholes, so i guess we will have to see for ourselves
Well plotholes and not answered yet is a complete different thing. It's all a matter of deep are you willing to examine something. For example the easy argument the guys who opposed to my theory used is that Obito did become Juubi's jinchuuriki and he didn't get it. Yet, they fail to see that it has never been stated that you get it right away by becoming its jin or that hagoromo had it from birth. So many similarities can be found between senju, uchiha and the juubi and yet they're not willing to acknowledge them because they're too close- minded to think outside fo the box. Mnay things that were stated in this manga in a certain way, they drastically changed through the passage of time. They're just to lazy to be a bit more creative and instead they stick to the so called plotholes.:vincent:
 

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You're in the right trail about Hagoromo didn't having the Rinnegan from birth.

As far as I remember the only thing we know about Hagoromo is that he had rinnegan but we don't know neither the when nor the how. However, we do know one thing: All the rinnegan abilities that he used, he used them during his very late days. It's then that he devided the Juubi, it's then that he sealed Gedo Mazo by creating the moon. (And it's then when he created his sons the same way he created the nine tailed beast? I can't back up the latter based on strong evidence so let's leave it as it is). Point is that at this moment I see a strong similarity between madara and hagoromo; both of them started to use it when they were about to die.


Two persons awakened the Rinnegan.
 

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Lol it's hillarious how you used that argument because it's the exact argument I use a possible counter- argumnet and I have already answered to that. Ofc, if you're too lazy to read and answer me respecitvely, don't expect me to hear this stupid argument.
It's not stupid at all, it makes sense.
1. He doesn't have Uchiha DNA, obviously.
2. The Rikudou Sennin did indeed awaken the Rinnegan, and wasn't born with it. However, I can tell you that he had it before fighting Juubi. Why? Well, simply. In the 629th chapter, we see Naruto with all the Bijuu around and shortly with Rikudou Sennin's face silhouette and the Rinnegan. This shows that Juubi has seen the Rikudou Sennin with the Rinnegan, thus he recognized it when he saw his face's silhouette around Naruto. This means that the Juubi has seen him with Rinnegan while fighting him, before getting sealed into him. This all results that the Sage had Rinnegan while fighting the Juubi, not after sealing it.

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Hmmm...

Assuming that Hagoromo couldn't use Rin'negan abilities prior to old age because of a lack of a showing of Jutsu is fallacious. In'youton and it's variations such as Banbutsu Sozo are only producible by the Rin'engan, Something Hagoromo did during his life time as he created many things and also made use of a holy sword known as the Sword of Nunoboko. Now the entire issue of Kaguya having the Rin'negan is entirely possible. Kaguya, upon ingesting the fruit, experienced the surges deployed by the molding of the Shintai Enerugi and Seishin Enerugi [unknowingly] rooted within her body thus producing 'Chakra'----Chakra not to be used as 'Ninjutsu' as it did not exist at the time but jointly with Doujutsu as the power of a God: The Rin'negan. It would make no sense to give Kaguya Chakra without it having any use. Rikudo is then born a prodigy, naturally inheriting the Doujutsu as well as the ability to harness chakra.

As for Madara, he needed 2 elements to unlock the Rin'engan: Senju DNA + Near death Experience. It follows the trend of up-scaling the Uchiha's Doujutsu that: Gaining Tomoe's are done through experience and intense battle scenarios, gaining the Mangekyo requires you to kill a close relative, ect. This however is completely different to Rikudo acquiring the Doujutsu and really shouldn't be contrasted.


Albeit, for Naruto to awaken the Rikudo's Doūjutsu would require the Bijū chakra within him to rival that of the fruit, being the least as it's (the fruits) composition [A portion of the Shinjū's power; better worded as a portion of the Shinjū's composition] was specific; sufficient to supply Kaguya Doūjutsu and a body able to harness chakra as well as Natural energy. The power accumulated from the Bijū has thus far had no effect on Naruto's power----the only remaining option for Naruto is being Host of the full Jūbi and to that I will agree.
It has never been stated that you need equal Bijuu chakra to that of the fruit to awaken rinnegan so that's jsut an assumption and not a rule. The same way Juubi can be revived by having a part of eeach of the beasts' charka, the same way we can say that the rinnegan can be awakened by being pseudo-jinchhuriki. Indeed, Hagoromo had created all these stuff but like in rinnegan's cases, I don't remember anyone saying that that he had them at a specific time like when he was young. Even if Kaguya was able to awaken rinnegan ( although only his son is famous for doing it as the first person ever) then based on what you even the fruit is a product of Juubi, since it has its chakra and so in that scence, even if she wasn't a jinchuuriki, she still had Juubi's chakra which yes, would make a possible candidate to awaken the rinnegan. But even that's true, the way it would be done makes her as well in a sense a pseudo-jinchuuriki adn therefore simialr to the case of Naruto that I suggested.

As for Madara, I only used him to an example of someone who awakened and we know how as well the age in order to compare him with the sage's use of rinnegan at his late days as well as to explain why Obito's becoming jinchuuriki wouldn't automatically means to get rinnegan.

In any case, I'm happy to see some good arguments, rep for that.
 
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