[Theory] How can Naruto unlock rinnegan (unbiased theory)

[-immortal-]

i honestly don't see naruto close to gettign a rinnegan. :erm:

 

[Byron123]

It's not stupid at all, it makes sense.
1. He doesn't have Uchiha DNA, obviously.
2. The Rikudou Sennin did indeed awaken the Rinnegan, and wasn't born with it. However, I can tell you that he had it before fighting Juubi. Why? Well, simply. In the 629th chapter, we see Naruto with all the Bijuu around and shortly with Rikudou Sennin's face silhouette and the Rinnegan. This shows that Juubi has seen the Rikudou Sennin with the Rinnegan, thus he recognized it when he saw his face's silhouette around Naruto. This means that the Juubi has seen him with Rinnegan while fighting him, before getting sealed into him. This all results that the Sage had Rinnegan while fighting the Juubi, not after sealing it.

And here's that scan:

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Seriously you want an asnwer while you're not even willing to read my thread and hear my opinion in the first place?!

 

[miromiro]

Seriously you want an asnwer while you're not even willing to read my thread and hear my opinion in the first place?!

I've already read your topic. I agree with your theory, but I want to point out this fact.
I've read your topic after you replied to my first post.

 

[Byron123]

i honestly don't see naruto close to gettign a rinnegan. :erm:

Well my point is not to force my opinion and say it will happen no matter what but just to show that it is a possibilty and and as random as many people think.

 

[Byron123]

I've already read your topic. I agree with your theory, but I want to point out this fact.
I've read your topic after you replied to my first post.

Oh=D in that case it doesn't matter as well. Madara awakened it during his late days and that can be said for the sage as well. Being said that, the fact that Juubi saw in Naruto sage's body with rinnegan means nothing as the sage didn't die right away as he had first to divide the Juubi and therefore the latter had the chance to see him with rinnegan. In fact, if the sage divided it right away after unlocking the rinnegan, it wouldn't be far-fetched to say that the first and only time the Juubi saw him with the rinnegan was that very time when he decided to divide it.

 

[miromiro]

Oh=D in that case it doesn't matter as well. Madara awakened it during his late days and that can be said for the sage. Being said that, the fact that Juubi saw in Naruto sage's body with rinnegan means nothing as the sage didn't die right away as he had first to divide the Juubi and therefore the latter had the chance to see him with rinnegan. In fact, if the sage divided right away after unlocking the rinnegan, it wouldn't be far-fetched to say that the first and only time the Juubi saw him with the rinnegan was that very time when he decided to divide it.

It's true, yet you can't say that it doesn't matter. My theory is just as plausible as when you say that he awakened it at late age. We don't know that, we've got no proof on that. Quite the other way, most people have seen the Sage with the Rinnegan while he was going across the world to spread his religion. Also, only because Madara awakened it when he was old doesn't mean the Sage also awoke it when he was dying. Madara had borrowed Senju DNA, the Sage had it since birth.

 

[Stormlex4all]

I liked the plot but hey what if naruto actually dies; since you said he has to be at the point of death. I mean every user you mentioned {hagoromo(is he the rikudo we know?) and madara} all died after awakening and using the rinnegan and so if naruto dies [omg] I still dont know what will happen. Unless he is not gonna die because he is still younger as opposed to hagoromo and madara who were already old. what do you think?

 

[brownbear]

Good theory dude,I personally don't see it happening but who knows?

Don't listen to all the haters saying it was "too long" or "wall of text" they just get butt hurt when they see words,it reminds them of there short comings.such as: awful attention spans,failing 1st grade,not being able to read a book that doesent have pictures....ect

 

[alok5yadav]

nice theory..........

 

[Umari Senju]

Oh=D in that case it doesn't matter as well. Madara awakened it during his late days and that can be said for the sage as well. Being said that, the fact that Juubi saw in Naruto sage's body with rinnegan means nothing as the sage didn't die right away as he had first to divide the Juubi and therefore the latter had the chance to see him with rinnegan. In fact, if the sage divided it right away after unlocking the rinnegan, it wouldn't be far-fetched to say that the first and only time the Juubi saw him with the rinnegan was that very time when he decided to divide it.

I like this theory except one thing I don't think you covered, or maybe I missed it in your theory:

We know the rikudo housed the gedo mezo by creating the moon using Chibaku Tensei and thus breaking the Juubi's chakra into the 9 bijuu before his death. Would that mean he unlocked the Rinnegan around that moment? As he was at the end of his life.

I don't think the Rinnegan was something he awoke at the end of his life but a product of the fruit from the God tree handed down through his mother. Like the Sharingan, though he probably had to face a tramtic and life threatening event, like facing the Juubi to awaken it. The Rikudo is neither Senju nor Uchiha but their progenitor, thus awakening the Rinnegan might have been different for him. All speculation on my part of course.

In the case of Naruto? Your theory is sound in my opinion. But judging by the reoccuring themes in the narutoverse if anyone else were to awaken the Rinnegan, it will probably be Sasuke.

 

[Waltz]

It has never been stated that you need equal Bijuu chakra to that of the fruit to awaken rinnegan so that's jsut an assumption and not a rule. The same way Juubi can be revived by having a part of eeach of the beasts' charka, the same way we can say that the rinnegan can be awakened by being pseudo-jinchhuriki. Indeed, Hagoromo had created all these stuff but like in rinnegan's cases, I don't remember anyone saying that that he had them at a specific time like when he was young. Even if Kaguya was able to awaken rinnegan ( although only his son is famous for doing it as the first person ever) then based on what you even the fruit is a product of Juubi, since it has its chakra and so in that scence, even if she wasn't a jinchuuriki, she still had Juubi's chakra which yes, would make a possible candidate to awaken the rinnegan. But even that's true, the way it would be done makes her as well in a sense a pseudo-jinchuuriki adn therefore simialr to the case of Naruto that I suggested.

As for Madara, I only used him to an example of someone who awakened and we know how as well the age in order to compare him with the sage's use of rinnegan at his late days as well as to explain why Obito's becoming jinchuuriki wouldn't automatically means to get rinnegan.

In any case, I'm happy to see some good arguments, rep for that.

Precisely that she was a pseudo-jinchuuriki in that sense. Both the Biju and the Fruit are apart of the Shinju. If the Chakra Naruto received from the Biju does not equate to the power Kaguya got from the fruit then Naruto isn't getting the Rin'negan. Simply because when Shinju designed the fruit it did so in a way that whosoever ate of it would be able to triumph the then world. If Ninjutsu was not in existence at the time then Doujutsu is the only solution to Kaguya. So the power of the fruit is sufficient to grant the Rin'negan. I was anticipating to see whether or not that power which was granted to Naruto would have allowed him to awaken the Rin'negan or that when he usurped the Biju from Obito if their power would fixate within the Kyuubi's cloak but apparently not. The Power he received seems to have only been sufficient to bridge a chakra connection to the Bijuu, not necessarily an addition of power unto his own as the fruit was to Kaguya.

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The fact that Hagoromo acquired a true understand of the mechanics of Chakra and Ninjutsu would only point towards him having Rin'negan. I can see why you used Madara but their scenario's differ entirely.

-> Hagoromo inherited Kaguya's power and adding that to an prodigious aptitude due to natural selection would highlight why he was able to Triumph the Juubi.

-> As for Madara we have to examine the Rudiments of the Uchiha's Doujutsu, that is the Sharingan. Naturally the Elder son should have maintained the Rikudō's eyes but his Dōjutsu represents the Rin'negan lacking the Yoton portions. The Sharingan is a secondary consequence of the Rin'negan and eventually came into existence as the Elder Son's Dōjutsu suffered attenuation. It implies that the varying abilities both seen and unseen to present of the Mangekyō and Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan would have originated from his eyes. the eyes. The Rin'negan can only surface when both entity's are

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. Madara had to seek the acquire the Yoton portions to equate to Hagoromo as his genetics were Uchiha and Senju in one.

OT: Overall, not a bad theory.
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[- J AV -]

Very nice effort,,,,,

Good but I disagree.....
but rep for effort

 

[juzumaki]

Hmmm...

Assuming that Hagoromo couldn't use Rin'negan abilities prior to old age because of a lack of a showing of Jutsu is fallacious. It is dis-proven by the fact that In'youton and it's variations such as Banbutsu Sozo are only producible by the Rin'engan, Something Hagoromo did during his life time as he created many things and also made use of a holy sword known as the Sword of Nunoboko. Now the entire issue of Kaguya having the Rin'negan is entirely possible. Kaguya, upon ingesting the fruit, experienced the surges deployed by the molding of the Shintai Enerugi and Seishin Enerugi [unknowingly] rooted within her body thus producing 'Chakra'----Chakra not to be used as 'Ninjutsu' as it did not exist at the time but jointly with Doujutsu as the power of a God: The Rin'negan. It would make no sense to give Kaguya Chakra without it having any use. Rikudo is then born a prodigy, naturally inheriting the Doujutsu as well as the ability to harness chakra.

As for Madara, he needed 2 elements to unlock the Rin'engan: Senju DNA + Near death Experience. It follows the trend of up-scaling the Uchiha's Doujutsu that: Gaining Tomoe's are done through experience and intense battle scenarios, gaining the Mangekyo requires you to kill a close relative, ect. This however is completely different to Rikudo acquiring the Doujutsu and really shouldn't be contrasted. ​

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Albeit, for Naruto to awaken the Rikudo's Doūjutsu would require the Bijū chakra within him to rival that of the fruit, being the least as it's (the fruits) composition [A portion of the Shinjū's power; better worded as a portion of the Shinjū's composition] was specific; sufficient to supply KaguyaDoūjutsu and a body able to harness chakra as well as Natural energy. The power accumulated from the Bijū has thus far had no effect on Naruto's power----the only remaining option for Naruto is being Host of the full Jūbi and to that I will agree.​

you cant say that since we havnt see what happens if he gets all beast chakras. We have to wait and see what happens to naruto from ext chap on wards

 

[Waltz]

"...Thus far..." ​

 

[Uchihareborn207]

rikudou sennin did not awaken the rinnegan by becoming the jinchuriki of the juubi and the concept of you needing senju DNA is wrong because his son had it ( he was born with it)

 

[Frikid]

Precisely that she was a pseudo-jinchuuriki in that sense. Both the Biju and the Fruit are apart of the Shinju. If the Chakra Naruto received from the Biju does not equate to the power Kaguya got from the fruit then Naruto isn't getting the Rin'negan. ​

Even if naruto gets the required chakra, it still doesn't guarantee the awakening of rinnegan.

I am quite confident that so6p awakened rinnegan before fighting the juubi because :

1. I don't see how he can defeat something as strong as juubi without having the rinnegan.
2. As someone already stated, in juubi's vision , it have seen so6p with rinnegan which implies he had the rinnegan before fighting the juubi.

Now that being said, it disapproves the OP's assumption of so6p getting rinnegan after becoming juubi's jinchuriki(and hence getting its chakra) which further suggests that there is still no proof that one may awaken rinnegan just by getting juubi's chakra.

Moreover, naruto does not represent the sage , instead he represents the younger son while sasuke represents the elder son so it is more than likely for sasuke to improve his doujutsu and naruto would be improving his body.

 

[rollin]

Naruto doesn't have the bijuus chakra anymore they got it back when he pulled them out of obito

 

[Byron123]

great thread

+ rep

Thanks man=D

It's true, yet you can't say that it doesn't matter. My theory is just as plausible as when you say that he awakened it at late age. We don't know that, we've got no proof on that. Quite the other way, most people have seen the Sage with the Rinnegan while he was going across the world to spread his religion. Also, only because Madara awakened it when he was old doesn't mean the Sage also awoke it when he was dying. Madara had borrowed Senju DNA, the Sage had it since birth.

Can you post a specific panel which verifies what you say about the sage having the rinnegan while he was travelling to spread his religion? Unless, you have it, what you said about the sage is a baseless assumption. I agree that we can't tell for sure that the sage awoke it during his late days but the fact that what we know about his rinnegan techniques as well as the fact that he decided to divide Juubi at a very old, at a similar age to when Madara awoke his rinnegan, tends to show that just like Madara, the sage also awoke it at his late days. Ofc, this is only a logical argument, nothing is definite, it jsut can fit with what actually happened.

I liked the plot but hey what if naruto actually dies; since you said he has to be at the point of death. I mean every user you mentioned {hagoromo(is he the rikudo we know?) and madara} all died after awakening and using the rinnegan and so if naruto dies [omg] I still dont know what will happen. Unless he is not gonna die because he is still younger as opposed to hagoromo and madara who were already old. what do you think?

He may die and get revived. For example Obito might revive him for the pain he brought to him or when he gets chakra from the rest of the beasts, there is a chance that he will the sage and...well he's the sage he can do whatever he wants=D

Good theory dude,I personally don't see it happening but who knows?

Don't listen to all the haters saying it was "too long" or "wall of text" they just get butt hurt when they see words,it reminds them of there short comings.such as: awful attention spans,failing 1st grade,not being able to read a book that doesent have pictures....ect

Lol thanks dude

nice theory..........

Thanks=D

Precisely that she was a pseudo-jinchuuriki in that sense. Both the Biju and the Fruit are apart of the Shinju. If the Chakra Naruto received from the Biju does not equate to the power Kaguya got from the fruit then Naruto isn't getting the Rin'negan. Simply because when Shinju designed the fruit it did so in a way that whosoever ate of it would be able to triumph the then world. If Ninjutsu was not in existence at the time then Doujutsu is the only solution to Kaguya. So the power of the fruit is sufficient to grant the Rin'negan. I was anticipating to see whether or not that power which was granted to Naruto would have allowed him to awaken the Rin'negan or that when he usurped the Biju from Obito if their power would fixate within the Kyuubi's cloak but apparently not. The Power he received seems to have only been sufficient to bridge a chakra connection to the Bijuu, not necessarily an addition of power unto his own as the fruit was to Kaguya.

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The fact that Hagoromo acquired a true understand of the mechanics of Chakra and Ninjutsu would only point towards him having Rin'negan. I can see why you used Madara but their scenario's differ entirely.

-> Hagoromo inherited Kaguya's power and adding that to an prodigious aptitude due to natural selection would highlight why he was able to Triumph the Juubi.

-> As for Madara we have to examine the Rudiments of the Uchiha's Doujutsu, that is the Sharingan. Naturally the Elder son should have maintained the Rikudō's eyes but his Dōjutsu represents the Rin'negan lacking the Yoton portions. The Sharingan is a secondary consequence of the Rin'negan and eventually came into existence as the Elder Son's Dōjutsu suffered attenuation. It implies that the varying abilities both seen and unseen to present of the Mangekyō and Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan would have originated from his eyes. the eyes. The Rin'negan can only surface when both entity's are

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. Madara had to seek the acquire the Yoton portions to equate to Hagoromo as his genetics were Uchiha and Senju in one.

OT: Overall, not a bad theory.
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Thanks for liking my theory=D

And now let's get down on business
What you say abotu Shinju is just your assumption as it has never been stated, like I said before, that the chakra you have must be equal to that of the fruit in order to awake the rinnegan. Besides what yoou say about conquering the world is true even by sole chakra, you don't need ninjutsu. Don't forget that at that time no one had chakra so anyone with chakra would be powerful. But Kaguya by eating that fruit she really became invincible. Your argument is based on your opinion about the necessity of rinnegan to rule the world but it is invalid exactly because just with chakra you could it as well. Also, as I said before it's not a matter of quantity but quality. What you say about Naruto extracting the Bijuu from obito is baseless as well since he didn't have the chakra from all the beasts and therefore he couldn't mix the necessary ingridients to unlock the rinnegan. Kaguya's case is different however. The fact that she ate that fruit, gave her the Juubi's chakra directly. Therefore, it was not a matter of quantity but as I said quality. And if you really want to cmpare qunatities, if you compare Kaguya to Madara, th latter is mere fodder compared to her, yet he did it. Also, what you said about Hagoromo is only an assumption as well. He did get the rinnegan but who says that the didn't get it after becoming the Juubi's jin when he was about to die? You only say that he got it from the beginning because you don't think that he could have defeated Juubi in any other possible way but you forget that he was the second person ever who got chakra and you can't really know the power he had gained from her mother. What we can know though is that when he fought against Juubi, it wasn't in its final state but instead in its first. You can check this by reading the chapter about hagorormo, Juubi appears the same way as when it was first revived with its huge mouth and his sole eye. Therefore, Hagoromo could have been stronger considering the fact that he would have also mastered sage mode and at hhis level would have been a huge bonus. The fact that he knew the mechanics of Ninjutsu only proves that he had great knowledge of chakra in general and not because of rinnegan specifically. Lastly, even if we say that Hagoromo got it from birth, exactly because of the fruit her mother, it wouldn't contradict the idea of this thread because if it happened in that way, since we said that the fruit had juubi's chakra then still anyone who gets his hands on that and is about to die, can awake it. Same goes for naruto by mixing the other beasts chakra to unlock it.

Very nice effort,,,,,

Good but I disagree.....
but rep for effort

Well, doesn't matter, glad you enjoyed it=D

rikudou sennin did not awaken the rinnegan by becoming the jinchuriki of the juubi and the concept of you needing senju DNA is wrong because his son had it ( he was born with it)

Even if naruto gets the required chakra, it still doesn't guarantee the awakening of rinnegan.

I am quite confident that so6p awakened rinnegan before fighting the juubi because :

1. I don't see how he can defeat something as strong as juubi without having the rinnegan.
2. As someone already stated, in juubi's vision , it have seen so6p with rinnegan which implies he had the rinnegan before fighting the juubi.

Now that being said, it disapproves the OP's assumption of so6p getting rinnegan after becoming juubi's jinchuriki(and hence getting its chakra) which further suggests that there is still no proof that one may awaken rinnegan just by getting juubi's chakra.

Moreover, naruto does not represent the sage , instead he represents the younger son while sasuke represents the elder son so it is more than likely for sasuke to improve his doujutsu and naruto would be improving his body.

First when did I state that he needs senju dna? and secondly, you don't have any actual arguments to back-up what you said other than just some question which can be answered easily.
1. Hagoromo was the second person ever who was born with chakra and his mother was a living god. Therefore he got his mother's tremendous chakra which was sufficient to defeat juubi with the need of rinnegan. Let's not forget that Hagoromo fought against Juubi when it was at its first state ( go check the chapter when everything is revealed and check Juubi, it's drawn with its hue mouth and and eye like when it was first revived). Moreover he was sage and by that he means that he had sage mode and ofc on a complete different level than anythig we have seen so now.
2. The silhouette of sage with rinnegan doesn't prove a thing. The sage could have very well awoken it during his late days and so when he was about to divide the Juubi or even before that, the latter had the chance to see him with rinnegan. The fact that he saw him with rinnegan during their possible fight, is just a baseless assumption. Also, what you say about sasuke is completely irrelevant. Yes he can possibly awake it by getting his senju dna but only if he's about to die like Madara did. That however doesn't negate the fact that naruto can still get the rinnegan in that alternative way, by getting chakra from all the tailed beasts and mixing them.

Naruto doesn't have the bijuus chakra anymore they got it back when he pulled them out of obito

I wonder if you even read my whole thread before you throw something random, you're not worth of a response. Read it again and if you still can undestand it, write me back.

 

[Transcendence]

Very well written my friend. It seems my original hypothesis from months ago that I built upon with my last two theories seem to be becoming more plausible, and your theory helps that. This is very similar to my recent theory, but your addition to it by using the "before death" argument is ingenious. It actually makes sense given that Madara awakened it before death "technically" and Naruto is pretty much on his death bed given what we know about Bijuu extraction. We will see if it comes to fruition in the next couple of chapters; hopefully it does.

@Waltz That's a good way to think about it, but it is never stated nor implied that you need to rival the amount of Bijuu chakra within the Shinju fruit. Both would be assumptions in this context. ​

 

[Byron123]

Very well written my friend. It seems my original hypothesis from months ago that I built upon with my last two theories seem to be becoming more plausible, and your theory helps that. This is very similar to my recent theory, but your addition to it by using the "before death" argument is ingenious. It actually makes sense given that Madara awakened it before death "technically" and Naruto is pretty much on his death bed given what we know about Bijuu extraction. We will see if it comes to fruition in the next couple of chapters; hopefully it does.

@Waltz That's a good way to think about it, but it is never stated nor implied that you need to rival the amount of Bijuu chakra within the Shinju fruit. Both would be assumptions in this context. ​

Glad you liked it =D Sorry that I haven't read your theories lately:'( I'm extremely busy and don't have time. I just managed to steal some time from Christmas. If you want, PV about your theories. I won't read them now but just to have them whne I got more time=D