Fair enough, I neither like that last argument so much but when the logical basis is fragile as it happens in senju dna's case, so will be the arguments which are based on it.
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[Theory] How can Naruto unlock rinnegan (unbiased theory)
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adeshina365
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You think? I don't know, I believe that no matter what happens Sasuke wants to keep at least one final ace for his fight against naruto. After all, strategically it would be wise to have a secret weapon. I'm more interested in seeing his reaction in the next chapters towards Naruto's potential death. I mean, he must at least show a little emotion.
adeshina365
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There's no doubt in my mind that he'll go all out against Madara. Though he'll probably gain a few new tricks for Naruto vs. Sasuke.
Probably, he might have Itachi's Susanoo weapons such as sword of Totsuka and Yata Mirror. After all, Sasuke does have now his eyes so it would make sense. Besides, we have already seen that he did have some abilities that he didn't use against Kabuto such as using amaterasu by using his sword as a vessel or summorning his giant snake.
valandil988
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You really haven't proved anything, the Sage when he was younger could have tried to follow another path with the Juubi which would explain why he didn't split and seal the juubi straight away, hence the "Lead you down the right path" comment he makes to the young Biju.
For the sage to awaken the Rinnegan in old age he would not have the skill in using it to pull off what he did before his death, he would need to be practiced. Remember he couldnt pull a madara and know about all the jutsu before awakening it, he had to discover its secrets which likely took his whole life.
He likely had a change of heart when his plans did not come to fruition. Hence all this thread does it discuss the possibilities not prove any of them. There are still far to many gaps in information to make a certain statement of any kind.
Actually I have to disagree on how the Sage got the Rinnegan. The ingredients are indeed Senju DNA + Uchiha DNA but that is not the trigger, the needed mental state to unlock it. Madara has never stated what it was that helped him unlock it. I choose to believe it was despair, defeat and suffering. When Madara unlocked it he was close to failure with regards to his plans, IE he had given up. I would be guessing that the sage was close to being defeated by the ten tails when he awakened it, either that or perhaps his mother was killed by it, regardless I believe the sage had given up.
The one thing that Naruto will never do, give up, unlocks the Rinnegan the eye of suffering. So I highly doubt naruto will ever unlock it.
No Black zetsu references how how the Sage and Madara are the only people who have ever "awakened" the Rinnegan that means that he did not have it from birth he also didn't get it from sealing the ten tails as that would not be an "awakening". The awakening of doujutsu tend to revolve around some manner of realization, emotional turmoil as I discussed above.
For the sage to awaken the Rinnegan in old age he would not have the skill in using it to pull off what he did before his death, he would need to be practiced. Remember he couldnt pull a madara and know about all the jutsu before awakening it, he had to discover its secrets which likely took his whole life.
He likely had a change of heart when his plans did not come to fruition. Hence all this thread does it discuss the possibilities not prove any of them. There are still far to many gaps in information to make a certain statement of any kind.
Actually I have to disagree on how the Sage got the Rinnegan. The ingredients are indeed Senju DNA + Uchiha DNA but that is not the trigger, the needed mental state to unlock it. Madara has never stated what it was that helped him unlock it. I choose to believe it was despair, defeat and suffering. When Madara unlocked it he was close to failure with regards to his plans, IE he had given up. I would be guessing that the sage was close to being defeated by the ten tails when he awakened it, either that or perhaps his mother was killed by it, regardless I believe the sage had given up.
The one thing that Naruto will never do, give up, unlocks the Rinnegan the eye of suffering. So I highly doubt naruto will ever unlock it.
No Black zetsu references how how the Sage and Madara are the only people who have ever "awakened" the Rinnegan that means that he did not have it from birth he also didn't get it from sealing the ten tails as that would not be an "awakening". The awakening of doujutsu tend to revolve around some manner of realization, emotional turmoil as I discussed above.
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The fact that he couldn't awake it in his old age and knew how it works is only you assumption, many times characters awake powers and they use them right away without having any previous knowledge on how to do it. A prime example of that is Obito himself who after became Juubi's jinchuuriki knew how to use all of its attacks. What Madara said about how to unlock it, is that he was about to die when he did and that's exactly what I used as an argument. The sage might have awakened without becoming a jinchuuriki only if we consider the fruit his mother ate as a product of Juubi's chakra and therefore if you eat it, in sage's case he got that chakra through his mother, he could have awakened it at first as a pseudo jinchuuriki and then after defeating it and sealing it becoming a perfect jin.
Off topic, you do realize that you self-contradict yourself here right? Previously you said that he wouldn't be able to master it at his old age and yet you supprt that he could do it in the middle of a battle.
In any case, if the sage did not have it from birth and if you're against about what I said about the fruit being a product of Juubi's and therefore having its chakra, then explain me how a person with powerful chakra only had two sons who had so distinctive characteristics which are so similar to the ones Juubi has? ( I don't think that I need to show you scans to prove it). It's not possible only because Juubi= senju + uchiha the equation of rinnegan= senju + uchiha makes sense.
Even if Naruto momentarily gives up then he still can awae it after fusing the beasts' chakra inside of him.
Lastly, ofc all this thread is about its possibilties, as you said there are too many gaps to cover it by saying something is definite. Even if I had all the necessary clues, I wouldn't be in position to say what will happen with certainty. A theory no matter how good it is remains a theory. However, that doesn't mean that my theory doesn't hold any value. I compared all the people who had rinnegan till now and took from each one a specific clue which helped to establish a theory based on the similarities between of them and by explaining some possible scenario based on logical arguments which can be supported from the conclusions I derived from this comparion. I just wanted to show that not everthing is a clear as people and to make them think that it had never been said that the sage had rinnegan from birth, yet all people believed so and that when Obito became jin and didn't awake it, everyone said that Juubi's jin= rinnegan is BS and yet no one has ever said that by becoming one you awake it immediately.
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valandil988
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In order of bolded:
1. You used the exact same assumption.
2. Subjugation of the juubi long enough to seal it is entirely different from using said powers to split its chakra and create a moon =_=. Nagato demonstrated that even if they weren't his eyes he could still use them like a blunt instrument. Like Madara over time his powers with his sharingan advanced and became more refined IE progression to PS. Liken it to this process. The process of pliting its chakra and forging it into new beasts is comparatively extraordinarily refined compared to restraining the juubi with gravity long enough to seal it. Also Obito likely already knew many of the jutsu that would be open to him when he became the juubi jin through Madara's knowledge of it.
3. I never denied that. But I do believe that the Rinnegan has its own prerequisites to being unlocked that are not just nearly dieing of old age. < that is kinda of a bad assumption Madara could have been embarrassed about his method of unlocking the Rinnegan, and if it was giving up in despair it would certainly match his prideful character to ignore/miss out this point when relating it to Obito an impressionable kid lol.
4. Banbutso Sozo, thats your answer for the two sons, who personify yin yang of the Juubi. Again if these sons were brought forth fully formed before his death they they wouldn't exactly be arguing about philosophy so early after their "birth". No the sons were around longer before the Juubi was split, hence the sage needed the Rinnegan earlier than his death bed in order to create them.
5. True however, Obito was an imperfect Jin, the Juubi was not perfect, his body was not perfect. So it could be any number of factors.
No offense but pls try to organize your posts a lil text blocks can be very off putting.
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Lol yeah I know what you mean about the organizing, I think I did it correctly in the main thread but I was a bit lazy this time
I'll answer in the same order.1. I did use that assumption, I wanted to point out that it doesn't necessarily mean that he awoke it in his young days and so I wanted to point out the scenario of awaking it in old age just like madara so I could use this a counter argument as to why Obito didn't awake rinnegan immediately after becoming Juubi's jin.
2. You're half correct, I agree about what you said about the sage but as for obito's case, I don't think that madara's knowledge would come very handy since he himself had never become Juubi's jin and so he couldn't have possibly known the extent of the ablities you get access to it through Juubi.
3. We agree, no reason to tell anything.
4. Agree again, just many people suggest that his sons were born naturally so I didn't know whether or not I should have used that argument.
5. Indeed but since Obito is the the mostly used example of a counter argument for those who are against this theory as a whole, I thought it would be wise to analyse it specifically in order to avoid any possible counter arguments of this kind.
Turns out that we agree on far more many things than I would expect XD
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To be honest , I believe Sage of six paths awoken it himself before fighting Ten tails ...
But he didn't have it since his birth. It seems impossible for someone to awoken Rinnegan with normal eyes but who knows that is Sage of six paths we are talking about
I see it like that: birth of SOSP -> SOSP awake Rinnegan -> SOSP fought Ten tails-> SOSP becomes Ten tails Host
But he didn't have it since his birth. It seems impossible for someone to awoken Rinnegan with normal eyes but who knows that is Sage of six paths we are talking about
I see it like that: birth of SOSP -> SOSP awake Rinnegan -> SOSP fought Ten tails-> SOSP becomes Ten tails Host
Thanks for the rep =D Well the problem in your equation is that it is a little random, for example you say that he awoke it before becoming a jin and yet you don't give a reason as to why he did it. In any case, I think that we're going to learn soon =D
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Transcendence
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I'm not a Naruto fan so to speak, however, I am an advocate of such.
- Anybody who has had the Rinnegan, inherently commits villainous acts in the series nigh Rikudou, whom we've never actually seen any story interaction, but rather flashbacks. Cue the acts of Nagato, Madara and Obito, and you get proof of such. Naruto gaining the Rin'negan would stop this downward trend of villains gaining such power, and a "good" (subjective term in this context) person, would be granted said power, and would put it to better use; I.E. Peace, order, and stability, rather than destruction and suppression (Mugen Tsukuyomi being an example).
- The parallels and foreshadowing of Naruto and Rikudou and the connection between them as a somewhat "reincarnation" type theme; gaining the Rin'negan and befriending the Bijuu's would mirror that of Rikudou and change the Bijuu's outlook on life, as prior to Naruto, Rikudou was the only Human who ever treated the Bijuu's like equals, and with respect.
- Naruto's appearance with said Rin'negan would be extremely similar to Rikudou's domineering silhouette, and as such, it looks rather "cool" and enticing as a possibility.
- The prospect of Naruto becoming a more versatile fighter because of the Rin'negan being part of his arsenal is something that many people have qualms about (his lack of versatility). He would have access to the Paths, different chakra natures, etc. Meaning it wouldn't just be TBB and Rasengan variants all the time, but rather a lot more versatility and more enjoyable fights.
There's more that I would say, but I'm rather lazy...
adeshina365
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I've always thought that Naruto being the successor (or reincarnation) of the S06P didn't mean that he would actually gain those abilities, but that he would succeed the Sage's legacy/will.
I would actually argue that Naruto's lack of ability variety is an inherent of his character. This is a common theme throughout many shonen manga.
narutoblitz
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Fanboy wank thread. Derailed by the obvious fact that S06P was the progenitor of the Uchiha clan. Uchiha clan ancestor was his son, so yeah he had Uchiha DNA. Juubi Jinchuruki != Rinnegan, or else Obito would have had dual Rinnegan.
Naruto gaining Rinnegan simply makes no sense. It would make more sense if Sasuke got Rinnegan, and become the new Sage, with Naruto staying behind on Earth as the new Hokage.
Naruto gaining Rinnegan simply makes no sense. It would make more sense if Sasuke got Rinnegan, and become the new Sage, with Naruto staying behind on Earth as the new Hokage.
Well Transcedence's answer was excellent so there is no need to elaborate on that. However, naruto being the sage's reincarnation spiritually, doesn't mean that he can't also in power as well. Don't forget that it will only be for a short amount of time so it's not like he will be OP when he is going to fight against Sasuke. As for your second post, well it's true that many characters do have signature attacks but it wouldn't be half bad if Naruto got to learn some additional moves now and then. I mean Sasuke is way more versalite and therefore his fighting style is more interesting as it has more variety.
Obviously you didn't even read my thread so I'm not going to waste my time trying to change your opinion.
adeshina365
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It's definitely a possibility.
It wouldn't be bad, but I think that it would go against the grain of his character. On the opposite side I'd argue that Sasuke's versatility is also inherent to his character.
narutoblitz
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It is possible Naruto will get Rinnegan, but it is extremely unlikely. Let's all consider that it's already been directly stated twice in the series that Rinnegan is an evolution of the Sharingan.
i agree with your theory, though he might or might not get it, and we can't really say obito might have unlocked his other eye as rinnegan because it was already sharingan, or the fact that the juubi wasn't complete and didn't have kurama and gyuuki sealed in it as well.
Don't be dogmatical on your opinions. We know that because that's what Kishi has allowed us to know. However, the sage didn't have any sharingan to begin with and the fact that senju and uchiha abilities are identical to that of Juubi's proves that those 2 actually derived from it and therefore it is possible to awake rinnegan by becoming its jin.
Exactly, this thread is all about possibilities that make sense, there is no such thing as a must when it comes down on fantasy.