[Theory] How can Naruto unlock rinnegan (unbiased theory)

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Before gaining the chakra of the nine bijuu, Obito was surely on the verge of death:

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Yet he still didn't gain the Rinnegan in his other eye....

He wasn't restored until after gaining the Bijuu chakra...
Hmm, a clever argument to use my words against me. However! Despite what we see here, Obito still wasn't about to die. Yes you heard me correctly, he might look to be in terrible situation but so he was after the extraction of the Bijuu and he wasn't about to die either. Besides, he has senju dna, senju dna is the key to anything as much as I don't like it. Therefore, even without Black Zetsu's contribution at this particular moment, the chakra of his senju part might have been so strong that he wasn't in immediate dangerous.
 
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I'm not in favor of Naruto getting the Rinnegan. For one, it would make him look weird; it just doesn't fit his face.
Well the point is not whether you like it or not, for example I like it, what this thread is about is the possibility of happening an whehter or not it can be supported in a logical way.
 

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Hmm, a clever argument to use my words against me. However! Despite what we see here, Obito still wasn't about to die. Yes you heard me correctly, he might look to be in terrible situation but so he was after the extraction of the Bijuu and he wasn't about to die either. Besides, he has senju dna, senju dna is the key to anything as much as I don't like it. Therefore, even without Black Zetsu's contribution at this particular moment, the chakra of his senju part might have been so strong that he wasn't in immediate dangerous.
I'm sorry, but I simply can't buy that.

Senju DNA or not, Obito was on the verge of death.
 

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I'm sorry, but I simply can't buy that.

Senju DNA or not, Obito was on the verge of death.
Listen I know it's far-fetched but so far senju abilities have proven to be ridiculously OP. I mean Madara managed to stuck his eye back to his eye socket just by using his hand!
 
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I read this and u make great points, but if I see Naruto with a bloodline limit espically an eye bloodline limit I will stop reading this manga 100%.

We would like to see the old powerhouses like so6p, madara and hasirhama get surpassed by something new not just more the same techs that they have in the series already.


I want toad sage mode to be a key factor in what will make Naruto god and not what made so6p, madara and hasihrama godlike.
 

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I read this and u make great points, but if I see Naruto with a bloodline limit espically an eye bloodline limit I will stop reading this manga 100%.

We would like to see the old powerhouses like so6p, madara and hasirhama get surpassed by something new not just more the same techs that they have in the series already.


I want toad sage mode to be a key factor in what will make Naruto god and not what made so6p, madara and hasihrama godlike.
Well we could see a reincarnation of the sage into naruto by using his body as a vessel to use the rinnegan and therefore when Naruto won't have any need of him anymore, the rinnegan would disappear once and for all.
 

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Well we could see a reincarnation of the sage into naruto by using his body as a vessel to use the rinnegan and therefore when Naruto won't have any need of him anymore, the rinnegan would disappear once and for all.
something temporary I can deal with, I don't mind something like this but I still think the final blow to end this battle should be Naruto with his own unique powers like toad sage mode.

At the end of the day,

If Naruto will be the saviour of this world it makes total sense that Naruto has something that is so unique that the future generations can marvel at. Like the series and us marvel about the so6p based from we have seen from madara and hasihrama which make up the so6p's total powerset.


this should be kishi's goal to end the series, if Naruto will be the one that finishes off the so6p' s idea of peace it makes sense that he should do it with something the so6p didn't have powers wise because Naruto would have done something the so6p could not.

Anyway that's just me about the philosophical underpinning the series as whole if look at the entire series from part 1 and now part 2.

Giving Naruto a rinnegan just seems like waste of naruto's up bringing to me, particularly jiraiya's work in achieving peace as well. He has done arguably more than anyone in the last 2 generation of shinobi.
 

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something temporary I can deal with, I don't mind something like this but I still think the final blow to end this battle should be Naruto with his own unique powers like toad sage mode.

At the end of the day,

If Naruto will be the saviour of this world it makes total sense that Naruto has something that is so unique that the future generations can marvel at. Like the series and us marvel about the so6p based from we have seen from madara and hasihrama which make up the so6p's total powerset.


this should be kishi's goal to end the series, if Naruto will be the one that finishes off the so6p' s idea of peace it makes sense that he should do it with something the so6p didn't have powers wise because Naruto would have done something the so6p could not.

Anyway that's just me about the philosophical underpinning the series as whole if look at the entire series from part 1 and now part 2.

Giving Naruto a rinnegan just seems like waste of naruto's up bringing to me, particularly jiraiya's work in achieving peace as well. He has done arguably more than anyone in the last 2 generation of shinobi.
Well I wouldn't want to see him against sasuke by using rinnegan either since the power levels would be unfair. As for completing sage's work, it will all have to do with his phylosophy and only. After all, the sage was the most powerful person ever, if the key was in power, he would have found it.
 

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It's over bro.....your theory got busted.
Lol that's so not true. When you use logic on a manga and in general on anything that has to do with fiction, you must be flexible and defnine what is logical based on the evidence you get from the rules that have force on that exact fictional base. Since senju dna can allow you to stick your eye back to your eye socket without any surgical operation, allows you to have instant regenation, monstrous physical power, great life force and allows you to prolong your life (like it happened in madara's case) as well as nullifying the necessity of covering bilogical needs such as eating and the need to sh*t, then yes I can say that senju dna allowed Obito at that moment to not be in immediate danger based on the magical capacities senju dna has in this manga's logic.
 

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It's over bro.....your theory got busted.

I don't see how. How would Obito's eyes change even on the verge of death, if he already has one Rinnegan eye, and the other eye he has is the Mangekyou, which evolved WAY later on, and has no natural link to the Rinnegan despite being further down the evolutionary link. I doubt Hagoromo had a Sharingan, and his Rinnegan most definitely came from the Juubi in one way or another, so denouncing this theory because of Obito is farcical.​
 

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I don't see how. How would Obito's eyes change even on the verge of death, if he already has one Rinnegan eye, and the other eye he has is the Mangekyou, which evolved WAY later on, and has no natural link to the Rinnegan despite being further down the evolutionary link. I doubt Hagoromo had a Sharingan, and his Rinnegan most definitely came from the Juubi in one way or another, so denouncing this theory because of Obito is farcical.​
I'm not undestanding your post here...

Why would Obito having the Sharingan affect anything. OP claims that Naruto who doesn't have any doujutsu will get the Rinnegan by being on the verge of death and gaining the charka of all nine Bijuu....

By this logic Obito would have gained another Rinnegan. The OP is arguing that Obito's wound somehow didn't bring him to the brink of death (which is BS).
 
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I'm not undestanding your post here...

Why would Obito having the Sharingan affect anything. OP claims that Naruto who doesn't have any doujutsu will get the Rinnegan by being on the verge of death and gaining the charka of all nine Bijuu....

OP claims that the chakra of the nine Bijuu + being on the verge of death = Rinnegan
You're correct and as I said at the beginning I agree with you on comparing them in this way. However, you underestimate senju dna. I know that I sound cheesy but let us be honest, did you read all these things this f*cking dna offers you? Madara was able to prolong his lifespan exactly because of that exact dna. What makes you think that this dna couldn't help Obito at what it seemed as his final moments, in order to avoid being in immediate danger?
 

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Now before I go into details, I would like first to state how you can get rinnegan. This is essential so we can connect the dots.

According to the manga, the equation of the rinnegan is: rinnegan= senju + uchiha dna.
Therefore hagoromo= senju +dna.
However, if you really think about it, Hagoromo was the child of his mother (obvious I know) and that mother was a powerhouse of chakra since she ate the fruit of Shinjuu which had all its charka. However, she herself didn't have the rinnegan. Therefore, how you explain the fact that he had it? Simply, he didn't get it from birth, the only thing he got was monstrous chakra just like his mother. For that reason hagoromo must have got it by sealing the Juubi inside of it. It's preety logical considering the fact that Juubi's eye, which btw has visual powers, is its main trait, and just like every beast, that way Juubi as well, granted his jinchuuriki its powers.

Now you'll go by countering with the equation rinnegan= senju + uchiha dna. However, what are senju and uchiha in the fist place? Since, hagoromo was a person with poweful chakra, how he made his children to have so diffrent and distinctive traits? The truth is that it's not possible. Those traits came from the Juubi itself and it's obvious, I don't think that I need to prove the similarities between of them. So you could say that in fact Juubi= senju and uchiha.

Based on the previous ones we come the conclusion that Hagoromo didn't have the rinnegan by birth but in fact he acquired it after becoming the Juubi's jinchuuriki. Therefore, we now have 2 equations as to how you get the rinnegan.

1. By being Juubi's jinchuuriki.
2. By having both senju and uchiha dna.

Now, let's examine Obito's case, whom you want so much to take as an example to counter my theory. To do that, we need to examine madara's case as well, who is the only one we know that managed to awake it and we even have information as to how he did it.

Madara managed to evolve his EMS to rinnegan thanks to senju dna and his own. Whether or not you need strictly to follow all the steps to get it is something we can't really know, I mean whether or not you can immediately go from MS to rinnegan. Though, you could say that most probably only those with EMS can since rinnegan is an eternal dojutsu, just like the EMS and therefore EMS' "eternity" could be a clue that you need indeed to have it in order to evolve your eyes further.

If the above is correct, then Obito simply couldn't awake it due to the lack of achieving EMS.

As for the first, alternative way I proposed. You say why he didn't get it by becoming Juubi's Jinchuuriki. Do you remember Madara's statement? he awoke it during his late days. From where has it derived the conclusion that those who become Juubi's jinchuuriki, they get it right away? As far as I remember the only thing we know about Hagoromo is that he had rinnegan but we don't know neither the when nor the how. However, we do know one thing: All the rinnegan abilities that he used, he used them during his very late days. It's then that he divided the Juubi, it's then that he sealed Gedo Mazo by creating the moon. (And it's then when he created his sons the same way he created the nine tailed beast? I can't back up the latter based on strong evidence so let's leave it as it is). Point is that at this moment I see a strong similarity between madara and hagoromo; both of them started to use it when they were about to die.

The reason for that is that they couldn't before, exactly because they haven't awakened rinnegan yet. The fact that Hagoromo decided to divide Juubi during his latest days could very well fit to the image of trying to do the right before leaving this world but couldn't also mean that he chose to do it at that exact time because like Madara, he didn't have access before?

Therefore, Obito didn't awaken it because he didn't reach his old age. Ofc, no one has said that you need to reach the latter in order to do it. It can also very well be interpretted that you need to be at the point of being about to die - Obito wasn't. Even when alll the bijuu were extracted, Kurama mentioned that Gedo mazo's lifeforce was strong enough to keep him alive (and he was planning to revive everyone at that moment!). Now that the gedo left, he can still survive because of Black Zetsu (for the time being).


Now to come to the main point of this thread and how naruto can awake rinnegan

I have already proven that by being Juubi's jinchuuriki and by being about to die, you can unlock the rinnegan. Naruto has already experienced the latter (even though Kushina experienced the same thing with Naruto, she did survive for some time only to be killed by Kurama. We don't know though for sure as to whether she could be cured or not).
So the only thing is needed now is to become Juubi's jinchuuriki. Ofc, he can't become of the whole thing but I think you know where I'm getting with this. Naruto had already got chakra from 7 out of the 9 tailed beasts and now Ichibi and Hachibi (or at least one of its tails, lol) are there to provide the rest of the ingredients. Minato can be used as a substitute for the loss of half of Kurama by providing his own.

For those of you who will say that Gezo sucked all the chakra naruto had got from the other beasts, well learn that even if that happened, it's not a big deal. At a previous chapter Sakura had commented about how when Naruto ran out of charka and the cloaks he had provided to the alliance ran as well, she thought that he was out of juice, however, once he got it back, the cloaks were reactivated as well meaning that there is always something that's left behind. That something can still be enough but in case it's not, the bijuu can still give him chakra again via telepathy, the same way he gave to the alliance once he had more chakra and had come in contact with them in a previous moment.

So by getting chakra from all the tailed beasts he can make a mix of them and therefore enter a pseudo jinchuuriki state of Juubi since the mix would have chakra from all the nine of them. By doing that and by having already being about to die as we saw in the last chapter, he will have completed both of the 2 requirements for one of the ways we established to unlock rinnegan.

I know that I spent too much time analyzing other things in the beginning but if I hadn't I wouldn't be able to establish my theory correctly.

Hope you liked it=D

Well its confirmed that Naruto would have a Rinnegan ( momentarily ) but how will Sasuke rival him ?
 

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You're correct and as I said at the beginning I agree with you on comparing them in this way. However, you underestimate senju dna. I know that I sound cheesy but let us be honest, did you read all these things this f*cking dna offers you? Madara was able to prolong his lifespan exactly because of that exact dna. What makes you think that this dna couldn't help Obito at what it seemed as his final moments, in order to avoid being in immediate danger?
Obito was on the verge of death; from my perspective there is no doubt about that.

I'm simply going to have to agree to disagree.
 

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Well its confirmed that Naruto would have a Rinnegan ( momentarily ) but how will Sasuke rival him ?
As you perfectly put it, it would only be momentarily and therefore, he might not even need to rival him since after naruto loses his power, they will be equal. But in any case, I'm not Kishi but he himself can offer an increadible power-up. For example there are theories that when Sasuke's Susanoo was combined with Naruto tails mode, his susanoo wasn't complete yet his sword was shown to be in a process of being wrapped. That wrapping has been suggested that it might hide a powerful weapon since there wouldn't be any reason to wrap it unless he wanted to hide something. In any case, I believe that Sasuke has kept a low profile for quite some time and hasn't shown us yet his full potential, not even close.
 
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