How can Kakashi beat Guy if he opens the 7th gate ?????

[Haizaki]

I will just take Gai's words that by the war Kakashi had the winning record to be true, over yours.
Gaara was a kage so he had the benefit to be the leader of the army. Kakashi and Gai were both jonins thus had equal reputation. And Kakashi would have been choosen as Hokage if Tsunade hadnt recovered.
Before Gai enetered Night Gai Kakashi didnt even had the luxus to spend time remembering what his father said. The point is,only after witnessing 8th gate he said that, not any before.
Raikiri is useful for Kakashi up until Gai opens the 7th gate.
Kakashi's clone is at least as fast as morning peacock (

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) so Kakashi can dodge it. At close range it isnt faster than a Raikiri execution.
Sharingan can see when Gai is opening the gates so Kakashi can prepare for the 7th gate, go underground, produce a raiton clone etc.
Kamui is typically more useful than hirudora like against JJ Madara. Which feats put Gai on a higher level than Kakashi?

And I would just read the Manga and bring to you the battles that involve rock paper scissors and lack of killing intent.

"Gaara was a Kage, so he had the benefit of leading the army" You said it yourself so how about you stop using sillt points such as Kakakashi being the leader of the division as an indication of his superiority to Gai. Kakashi is a Jonin and there Kages he can defeat so enough with this "Rank" talk. Leading a unit or division doesn't automatically mean you're stronger than everyone there. Shikamaru led the Sasuke retrieval team and that means he's the strongest there? Laughable. Kakashi being nominated for the 6th Hokage doesn't mean a thing. Doesn't mean he's the most powerful in the village. It could be due to his leadership. Especially when Kakashi explicitly stated Naruto was stronger than him before that. At least from what I recall. Your points don't mean anything so drop them. Tsunami was the fifth Hokage leading Shinobi's that could defeat her.

As for your Asakujaku point, it makes no sense that one can conclude the way you did from looking at that scan. Another point is the fact that the Manga is read from right to left so your point has zero meaning giving the fact that Kakshi is shown to act first before Gai makes his move. Not to mention, HOW does this show Kakashi can dodge morning peacock that covers such a wide range? Not saying he can't but explain how your post shows he can. There's no way. Asakujaku almost rivals a good amount of Kisame's 1000 sharks and from close range, his striking speed is much faster than that of Kakashi so there's zero comparison before 6G Gai attack and Kakashi's raikiri execution. Not even Kisame could move an inch from close range and we know Kisame has reacted to the likes of B in his Jinchuriki state.

First of all, it take zero time to open the gates(One needs to do so before Hirudora)

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and there other scans showing this. Second of all, read the title of the thread because it makes zero difference to my first point giving how one can transition into the gate easily like in the middle "Thump"

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or like here in mid air

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. Uhmm everyone saw that Kamui was not even as fast as the TSB, required both Obito and Kakashi's double speed and it was outright stated Gai's attacks were useful against Madara here in the bottom left

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. Gai singlehandedly in the 7G went against Madara for a short time and pushed him back despite being in a weakened state beforehand. His movement, striking and reaction speed are more than enough for him to battle Kakashi and evade his attacks. Then we factor in a powerful attack strong enough to destroy V3 Susano'o with a ridiculous range that dwarfs an entire Island.

Gai wins if feats are involved and if we bring in a clone, then Gai punches once producing a flame that would hit the clone without Gai making actual contact hence him not getting electrocuted. Not to mention him easily throwing a Kunai at the clone from close range. Not to mention the fact that there's a little period in which Kakashi's clone reverts to lightning once killed so Gai can even avoid getting electrocuted if he kills the clone.

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[Lawlermelon]

Kakashi wins

 

[Raykyryn]

And I would just read the Manga and bring to you the battles that involve rock paper scissors and lack of killing intent.

"Gaara was a Kage, so he had the benefit of leading the army" You said it yourself so how about you stop using sillt points such as Kakakashi being the leader of the division as an indication of his superiority to Gai. Kakashi is a Jonin and there Kages he can defeat so enough with this "Rank" talk. Leading a unit or division doesn't automatically mean you're stronger than everyone there. Shikamaru led the Sasuke retrieval team and that means he's the strongest there? Laughable. Kakashi being nominated for the 6th Hokage doesn't mean a thing. Doesn't mean he's the most powerful in the village. It could be due to his leadership. Especially when Kakashi explicitly stated Naruto was stronger than him before that. At least from what I recall. Your points don't mean anything so drop them. Tsunami was the fifth Hokage leading Shinobi's that could defeat her.

As for your Asakujaku point, it makes no sense that one can conclude the way you did from looking at that scan. Another point is the fact that the Manga is read from right to left so your point has zero meaning giving the fact that Kakshi is shown to act first before Gai makes his move. Not to mention, HOW does this show Kakashi can dodge morning peacock that covers such a wide range? Not saying he can't but explain how your post shows he can. There's no way. Asakujaku almost rivals a good amount of Kisame's 1000 sharks and from close range, his striking speed is much faster than that of Kakashi so there's zero comparison before 6G Gai attack and Kakashi's raikiri execution. Not even Kisame could move an inch from close range and we know Kisame has reacted to the likes of B in his Jinchuriki state.

First of all, it take zero time to open the gates(One needs to do so before Hirudora)

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and there other scans showing this. Second of all, read the title of the thread because it makes zero difference to my first point giving how one can transition into the gate easily like in the middle "Thump"

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or like here in mid air

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. Uhmm everyone saw that Kamui was not even as fast as the TSB, required both Obito and Kakashi's double speed and it was outright stated Gai's attacks were useful against Madara here in the bottom left

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. Gai singlehandedly in the 7G went against Madara for a short time and pushed him back despite being in a weakened state beforehand. His movement, striking and reaction speed are more than enough for him to battle Kakashi and evade his attacks. Then we factor in a powerful attack strong enough to destroy V3 Susano'o with a ridiculous range that dwarfs an entire Island.

Gai wins if feats are involved and if we bring in a clone, then Gai punches once producing a flame that would hit the clone without Gai making actual contact hence him not getting electrocuted. Not to mention him easily throwing a Kunai at the clone from close range. Not to mention the fact that there's a little period in which Kakashi's clone reverts to lightning once killed so Gai can even avoid getting electrocuted if he kills the clone.

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You are always ahead of me in our battles” does add something as far as hype goes. I agree it doesn't concern a real battle situation tho.

Your Shikamaru point is not fortunate because he was chunin whereas the others were genins. About Tsunade, Hiruzen said no person in Konoha reaches Orochimaru’s level at that point (

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) and after he died the elders first tried to persuade Jiraiya and Tsnade who were portrayed to be able to stand up against Orochimaru (

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). Only by part 2 did Kakashi,Gai and Naruto come into play.

Until ultimate peace was not reached the strongest ones were chosen as Hokage, every single time (and possesses the will of fire) )The Hokage must defend the village so it was the most important aspect of becoming one in times of not stabile peace.

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When Kishi illustrates an event in a mirroring manner that he did in Kakashi’s and Gai’s case mean it happens basically the same time. Like Naruto and Sasuke so obviously shot their final attacks at VotE simultaneously , Kishi illustrated that in the same exact manner.
Sharks in air not being able to dodge moarning peacock is something expectable tho. What speed feat does this technique possess to catch Kakashi?
And using your from right to left logic: here(

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) Kakashi’s shunshin outsped Gai’s? (bcoz by your logic he landed the first strike) Good to know. (edit: i know it is read right to left but there are events that can't be drawn at the same block of panel yet they are happening at the same time- like in these very cases)
Kakashi with MS (which enhances precog ability) can react better than Kisame and also can react to Bee so this point doesn’t tell much.
Hirudora requires two handseals which warms Kakashi when it is used to and Kamui can absorb it or can go underground or to kamui dimension. Otherwise i agree that it can even destroy a V3 susano.
chakra flows thru gates (

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) so its not zero time. Before Hirudora happened on your scan we don't know if Gai just decided to use it or already had his chakra flown to his 7th gate point.
I was talking about when Kamui warped Madara's ttb.


except Gai don't know he faces a clone so he won't use the flames or what. His aura doesn't defend him from an electroshock because it is formed out of his sweet which conducts elecrticity.
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Gai shurikenjutsu skills are not on a level that would be relevant against such an opponent.
Even there is a short time when Kakashis clone reverts to lightning, Kakashis clone was bleeding thus Gai thinks he killed the original, eitherway the clone can just hold in place Gai like Narutos clone did here wih Sasuke

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[unknownvillain1254]

The flames didnt outspeed Kakahi and his clone on the scan I posted. Ergo your point is dumb.





You shouldnt if you can't. Don't bring up that fcking scan anymore please.

Who said anything about Flames .Flames are a byproduct of gai hand and your point makes no sense but let's go to that later. so are you saying Kakashi can make clones so fast that from the very appearance they burst into flames is that what you're saying

 

[unknownvillain1254]

The flames didnt outspeed Kakahi and his clone on the scan I posted. Ergo your point is dumb.





You shouldnt if you can't. Don't bring up that fcking scan anymore please.

Who said anything about Flames .Flames are a byproduct of gai hand and your point makes no sense but let's go to that later. so are you saying Kakashi can make clones so fast that from the very appearance they burst into flames is that what you're saying

A baseball which is the size of a human fist let's check the specs on that

If you drop a baseball from orbit, yeah, it'll burn up before it hits the ground. The X-15 experimental "rocket plane" got to over 2000 miles per hour and reached temperatures of 400F, so that's probably in the range we're talking about. Call it an even 1000 miles an hour, just for shits and grins.

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[LoZelda101]

We're not in any disagreement here. I as well think tier wise, 7G Gai and MS Kakashi are on the same level. This thread was completely derailed by horrendous reasoning that rivalry battles and inaccurate portrayal equates to MS Kakashi defeating 7G Gai in a serious fight to the death. Feats have been conveniently ignored by Kakashi supporters.

agreed, infact it seemed more like a narutoVkonohamaru friendly kind of rival than a serious one like narutoVsasuke.

If you drop a baseball from orbit, yeah, it'll burn up before it hits the ground. The X-15 experimental "rocket plane" got to over 2000 miles per hour and reached temperatures of 400F, so that's probably in the range we're talking about. Call it an even 1000 miles an hour, just for shits and grins.

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lol this guy

 

[Raykyryn]

Who said anything about Flames .Flames are a byproduct of gai hand and your point makes no sense but let's go to that later. so are you saying Kakashi can make clones so fast that from the very appearance they burst into flames is that what you're saying

A baseball which is the size of a human fist let's check the specs on that

If you drop a baseball from orbit, yeah, it'll burn up before it hits the ground. The X-15 experimental "rocket plane" got to over 2000 miles per hour and reached temperatures of 400F, so that's probably in the range we're talking about. Call it an even 1000 miles an hour, just for shits and grins.

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You quoted me first and i was clearly talking about the flames not the fists. :|

Kakashi created his clone before they started their move. :|

The meteors and other objects catch fire because they possesses a great amount of heat energy to begin with. Opening gates release a great amount of heat enery (

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) so it makes catching fire easier. And btw moving fast in most cases has nothing to do with catching fire. Otherwise you would claim that 6th Gai’s moves are faster than the likes of JJ Obito’s whose hit blitzed Minato or Madaras,Kaguyas and awkwardly 8th gate Gais.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

agreed, infact it seemed more like a narutoVkonohamaru friendly kind of rival than a serious one like narutoVsasuke.



lol this guy

So where are your facts don't question me unless you have facts not your opinion

 

[unknownvillain1254]

You quoted me first and i was clearly talking about the flames not the fists. :|

Kakashi created his clone before they started their move. :|

The meteors and other objects catch fire because they possesses a great amount of heat energy to begin with. Opening gates release a great amount of heat enery (

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) so it makes catching fire easier. And btw moving fast in most cases has nothing to do with catching fire. Otherwise you would claim that 6th Gai’s moves are faster than the likes of JJ Obito’s whose hit blitzed Minato or Madaras,Kaguyas and awkwardly 8th gate Gais.

I think you must be slow how is this meteor generating heat in the first place you know how kinetic energy which basically is the energy of movement

For a human to sweat your body must have a temperature of 95 degrees which is not high at all that's a normal body temperature like walking outside please try again your failures are starting to ruin your character please bring some credible information

 

[Raykyryn]

I think you must be slow how is this meteor generating heat in the first place you know how kinetic energy which basically is the energy of movement

For a human to sweat your body must have a temperature of 95 degrees which is not high at all that's a normal body temperature like walking outside please try again your failures are starting to ruin your character please bring some credible information

Don't just ignore arguments that you fail to answer and that you can't handle. I will just quote myself so you can try again.

And btw moving fast in most cases has nothing to do with catching fire. Otherwise you would claim that 6th Gai’s moves are faster than the likes of JJ Obito’s whose hit blitzed Minato or Madaras,Kaguyas and awkwardly 8th gate Gais.

And what are you arguing in the first place? The flames didnt outspeed Kakashis clone canonically so save me from your opinions.

 

[EZQ]

Kakashi dodges morning peacoc by going underground or warpis himself to the kamui realm, but he can't really dodge it if we talk about speed. That range is too big.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Poor Kakashi fans all they have is some statements based on their challenges.

 

[EZQ]

Poor Kakashi fans all they have is some statements based on their challenges.

But guess who is the 6th Hokage

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

But guess who is the 6th Hokage

When Tsunade become one that title become meaningless

 

[EZQ]

When Tsunade become one that title become meaningless

Touché...

 

[Haizaki]

Raykryn or whatever your name is. Your post is one I'm struggling to take seriously. Period. If I have any enough time I "might" respond to this thing you call a post.

"Hirudora requires two handseals which warms Kakashi when it is used to and Kamui can absorb it or can go underground or to kamui dimension. Otherwise i agree that it can even destroy a V3 susano.
chakra flows thru gates (

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) so its not zero time. Before Hirudora happened on your scan we don't know if Gai just decided to use it or already had his chakra flown to his 7th gate point."

"Even there is a short time when Kakashis clone reverts to lightning, Kakashis clone was bleeding thus Gai thinks he killed the original, eitherway the clone can just hold in place Gai like Narutos clone did here wih Sasuke https://regsmoney90.files.wordpress....4/10/697-9.jpg"

What is this?

 

[Raykyryn]

Raykryn or whatever your name is. Your post is one I'm struggling to take seriously. Period. If I have any enough time I "might" respond to this thing you call a post.

"Hirudora requires two handseals which warms Kakashi when it is used to and Kamui can absorb it or can go underground or to kamui dimension. Otherwise i agree that it can even destroy a V3 susano.
chakra flows thru gates (

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) so its not zero time. Before Hirudora happened on your scan we don't know if Gai just decided to use it or already had his chakra flown to his 7th gate point."

"Even there is a short time when Kakashis clone reverts to lightning, Kakashis clone was bleeding thus Gai thinks he killed the original, eitherway the clone can just hold in place Gai like Narutos clone did here wih Sasuke https://regsmoney90.files.wordpress....4/10/697-9.jpg"

What is this?

I was just answering your arguments in consecutive sentences so they are not following each other in a logical way.
I will help you out to understand what i wrote.

Gai performed two handpositions before he used Hirudora (

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and simply, Kakashi gonna know in advance that Hirudora is going to come out if Gai uses these two handseals so he can make maneuvers according to this, like going underground or use Kamui on Hirudora or on himself.

You tried to prove that opening a gate requires zero time but i counterargued that first the chakra needs to flow thru the gates and Kakashi sees the chakra flowing via sharingan so he can prepare for it as well. You had brought up a scan when Gai used Hirudora against Edo Madara but that doesn't prove your zero time theory because we have no knowledge if the chakra had flown thru Gai's 7th gate's point beforehand the attack or not.

Kakashi's lightning clone was bleeding after Ashura path stabbed him which would give Gai the impression that he killed the real Kakashi so he will not try to dodge an upcoming electroshock and moreso, the lightning clone will try to grab him and not allow him to move so Gai will be paralyzed.

Honestly, you didnt even manage to bring up an argument that would start to indicate me to change my opinion.

 

[Exaar]

The only way i see kakashi winning is if he sets up clone feint while Gai is opening gates or if he loses focus for a second due to pain like lee did against gaara. Said clone feint (preferably raiton clone to paralyze/stun him) then hit him with raikiri or kamui

but i guess i'd give it to Gai more often that not.