How Byakugan Can Counter Sharingan Genjutsu

[HokageKid]

Except it doens't.

Again, it doesn't matter what's going on with the victim's eyes. It solely matters whether there is a barrier between the victim's eyes and the Sharingan user. Suppose if a Hyuga is standing behind a tree using their Byakugan to see through it. The Sharingan user still won't be able to caste genjutsu regardless of the Byakugan user's eyes seeing through the tree because the Sharingan user themself can't see through the tree, thus their eyes can't put Chakra into the Byakugan user's eyes. The eyelids argument works in the same way.



And yet you just presented Danzo using his Sharingan with bandages.

And since you brought that up, Ao used his Byakugan to see through his eye patch. Explain to me the difference between that and an eyelid. Because that pretty much proves you're wrong on Byakugan being hindered by the eyelids being closed.

In that case, as long as you can see the sharingan you can get caught in the genjutsu, whether bandages or indeed eyelids are in the way if you want to be ridiculous.
Also we can say that the Hyuga gentle fist would be useless against an uchiha anyway because the sharingan predicts movements so they'll just dodge all their strikes. (I don't actually think this but if we're going to back up ideas with few manga facts then why not)

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Danzo and Ao though.

Covered does not equal closed eyelids. Just like kakashi, neither of them can deactivate a doujutsu so they cover it with whatever they have.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Covered does not equal closed eyelids. Just like kakashi, neither of them can deactivate a doujutsu so they cover it with whatever they have.

lmao why not? They still block the user's vision, which is the whole argument you're making in regards to saying that the Byakugan's visual abilities won't work when the eye is being blocked off. There's no reason to distinguish them based on nothing.

Ao can deactivate his Byakugan though.

In that case, as long as you can see the sharingan you can get caught in the genjutsu, whether bandages or indeed eyelids are in the way if you want to be ridiculous.

Shisui's ability isn't a normal Sharingan ability. It was outright said Sharingan Genjutsu and Tsukyomi need eye contact to work. And Mifune never saw Danzo's eye to begin with.

 

[HokageKid]

Danzo and Ao though.

Covered is different to shut eye lids, Kakashi closes his eye, to rest his sharingan, the reasons for moving there headband i assume are 1) Because Kishimoto thinks it looks cool (Which it kinda does)
2) if you just close one eye it quickly becomes uncomforatble, but if you have something holding your eye shut it's not.

If kakashi can't deactivate sharingan, then why doesn't his eye still drain his chakra constantly even if he shuts his eye?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

lmao why not? They still block the user's vision, which is the whole argument you're making in regards to saying that the Byakugan's visual abilities won't work when the eye is being blocked off. There's no reason to distinguish them based on nothing.

Ao can deactivate his Byakugan though.

If using a bandage or a black eye-cap "blocks" dojutsu's vision, then how are byukagan/sharingan users able to see chakra through people's clothing and body? The point of doujutsus is to see through things the regular eyes can't.

If using leaves to cover a byukagan's line of sight is what's needed to defeat a hyuga then by all means the clan would've been dead already.

 

[HokageKid]

When Kabuto fought Itachi and Sasuke, did he just close his eyes or totally shut his eyesight ? I don't remeber
I think if a Hyuga looked into an Uchiha's eyes he will be effected with genjutsu whether his eyes are closed or not.
and please stop overrating the byakugan

His eyes were open, he just cut off all eyesight, which further proves my point that a Byakugan user shutting their eyes, but still seeing the sharingan wouldn't negate the chakra effects, thank you, I didn't think of that

 

[Made in Heaven]

Covered is different to shut eye lids, Kakashi closes his eye, to rest his sharingan, the reasons for moving there headband i assume are 1) Because Kishimoto thinks it looks cool (Which it kinda does)
2) if you just close one eye it quickly becomes uncomforatble, but if you have something holding your eye shut it's not.

If kakashi can't deactivate sharingan, then why doesn't his eye still drain his chakra constantly even if he shuts his eye?

Because Kakashi's eye doesn't register Precog and seeing Chakra, which needs visual perception to use. The same can't be said for Shisui's ability when we already saw Danzo use it through his bandages. Byakugan can see through an eye patch to use it's visual capabilities, unlike Kakashi with his Sharingan being unable to see through his headband, and Danzo has never been seen using the Sharingan's visual capabilities with his bandages closed, hence why he uncovered it to fight those people that attacked him.

If using a bandage or a black eye-cap "blocks" dojutsu's vision, then how are byukagan/sharingan users able to see chakra through people's clothing and body? The point of doujutsus is to see through things the regular eyes can't.

If using leaves to cover a byukagan's line of sight is what's needed to defeat a hyuga then by all means the clan would've been dead already.

Then why are you arguing Byakugan can't see through the user's own eye lids???

Where did I argue this? I think you misunderstood what I said

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Then why are you arguing Byakugan can't see through the user's own eye lids???

Well like I said before, covered=/=covered eyelids. And I said that I've never seen a byukagan user use their doujutsu with their eyes closed before too.
It's just kishi's writing. A sharingan user can still see chakra even if the eyes are covered with clothing or blocked by a barrier but once they close their eyes for some reason they don't see chakra like they do when their eyes are wide open.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Well like I said before, covered=/=covered eyelids. And I said that I've never seen a byukagan user use their doujutsu with their eyes closed before too.

It's just kishi's writing. A sharingan user can still see chakra even if the eyes are covered with clothing or blocked by a barrier but once they close their eyes for some reason they don't see chakra like they do when their eyes are wide open.

But what is the distinction between those two? You say closed eyelids would prevent the visual capabilities of the Byakugan from going through, even though the Byakugan can see through physical material, yet we see Ao's eyepatch, which pretty much acts the same way an eye lid does, not affecting his eys at all. Again, where is the difference here?

I do agree that Kishi's writing is consistent, and that does present problems. But with sharingan, at least it can be argued it's vision is no where on par with Byakugan's.

Kakashi can't use Sharingan with his headband covering it because all of his abilities need his actual vision (scoping with Kamui, seeing opponents for precognition). Danzo used Shisui's eye ability with bandages covering his eye because Shisui's ability is not a normal genjutsu much like IT and and Ao used the Byakugan's eyesight because Byakugan can see through the eye patch.

 

[Styles]

Lmao u compared Sharingan and Byakugan and that is what i pointed out unlike Sharingan, Byakugan can SEE through objects and it heppand many times in Manga. not sure how eyelids are different or why u have any doubts....

Byakugan can only see threw things it's looking directly at. If they're not looking at it they won't see threw anything they'll just see how every thing normally is. Byakugan being able to see with their eye's closed is like saying a Sharingan user can get shared vision from a kage bunshin or something. There isn't anything hinting that it's possible.

Sharingan isn't Byakugan.
Sharingan can't see through Physical material.

Moreover, until something is stated in the manga, there is no reason to assume as such. Before anyone saw Kabuto cause Susano'O to disappear by blinding Sasuke, was there any reason to argue Susano'O woudl disappear if the user is blinded? Of course not. Likewise, until shown, there is no reason to say an eye that can see through phsyical matter would be hindered by physical matter. IF you want to brin up the precog thing, that's because the Sharingan user can't see anything, right? How does that relate to a Byakugan that can see through eye lids.

However, even without closing eyes, the user could avoid it with Byakugan in other ways.

What does the 1st statement have to do with anything though?

Exactly and by that same statement a Byakugan user can't see with their eye's closed since it's never been seen hinted or tried before.

Not really any and every one can be put under genjutsu Byakugan or not. Only "canon" way to avoid it is a kage bunshin and it's variants(Deidara for example)

 

[Made in Heaven]

What does the 1st statement have to do with anything though?

Exactly and by that same statement a Byakugan user can't see with their eye's closed since it's never been seen hinted or tried before.

Not really any and every one can be put under genjutsu Byakugan or not. Only "canon" way to avoid it is a kage bunshin and it's variants(Deidara for example)

Sharingan isn't Byakugan. It literally isn't that hard to figure out.

Again, Sharingan isn't Byakugan, so comparing the two is stupid when Byakugan has better sight. Ao saw through his eye patch already. Explain to me in what way at all this is different than covering one's eyes with their eye lids instead?

No, the Byakugan user can just look at the ground as Gai does while still using 360 vision to fight as normal and while also preventing the Sharingan user from looking into their eyes.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

easily Ao even realised Kotoamatsukami was used.

Byakugan > Sharingan genjutsu

Just because someone knows if another person is caught in genjutsu that doesn't mean the person can dispel the same genjutsu if they caught, assuming it's a high class genjutsu like KA.
OP: I agree actually.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Uchiha faps are rustled beyond repair. Well not surprised considering the sharingan genjutsu was over hyped by them anyway lol.

 

[Red Slayer]

Byakugan can only see threw things it's looking directly at. If they're not looking at it they won't see threw anything they'll just see how every thing normally is. Byakugan being able to see with their eye's closed is like saying a Sharingan user can get shared vision from a kage bunshin or something. There isn't anything hinting that it's possible.

/man how can i argue with u, when u dont even know simple things about Byakugan? u have to reread Manga.

 

[Mori Jin]

Uchihatards are a special kind of stupid

 

[Styles]

/man how can i argue with u, when u dont even know simple things about Byakugan? u have to reread Manga.

Reread the manga? Everything i said was literally true. No Byakugan user could do what i said that's a fact unless a manga scan have them doing such things. Half of you Hyuga fans don't even know what Byakugan does.

Sharingan isn't Byakugan. It literally isn't that hard to figure out.

Again, Sharingan isn't Byakugan, so comparing the two is stupid when Byakugan has better sight. Ao saw through his eye patch already. Explain to me in what way at all this is different than covering one's eyes with their eye lids instead?

No, the Byakugan user can just look at the ground as Gai does while still using 360 vision to fight as normal and while also preventing the Sharingan user from looking into their eyes.

He used his Byakugan to bypass the eyepatch to see Danzo's eye. He didn't have his eye's closed nor shut. That is in no way the same.

That's also not having your eye's shut that's completely different like i said.

 

[Made in Heaven]

He used his Byakugan to bypass the eyepatch to see Danzo's eye. He didn't have his eye's closed nor shut. That is in no way the same.

That's also not having your eye's shut that's completely different like i said.

Explain why. You're arguing over a meaningless technicality where you can't even give a shred of difference between an eye patch blocking the eye and an eye lid blocking the eye other than what they themselves are while the Byakugan can see through solid material ei their eye lids.

 

[SZiaee]

Sharingan genjutsu doesn't need direct eye contact ; just a look is enough :

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So when you look at user's sharingan , no matter your eyes are closed or open , you get caught in genjutsu .
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[BenjerminGaye]

Sharingan genjutsu doesn't need direct eye contact ; just a look is enough :

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So when you look at user's sharingan , no matter your eyes are closed or open , you get caught in genjutsu .
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So are we just not reading manga scans then? How you contradict yourself in your own post?


OT: everything you said was factual, any byakugan user bypasses it the same way kabuto bypassed it. Close your eyelids and use byakugan to see through them. Simple.

 

[HokageKid]

Sharingan isn't Byakugan. It literally isn't that hard to figure out.

Again, Sharingan isn't Byakugan, so comparing the two is stupid when Byakugan has better sight. Ao saw through his eye patch already. Explain to me in what way at all this is different than covering one's eyes with their eye lids instead?

No, the Byakugan user can just look at the ground as Gai does while still using 360 vision to fight as normal and while also preventing the Sharingan user from looking into their eyes.

Just looking at the ground with byakugan eyes isn't the same as looking at the ground with regular eyes, if I just look at the ground I can't see the persons face, but with the byakugan the persons face is still in my field of vision, even if I'm not focusing on his eyes, his eyes are still in my vision.
When Gai focuses on Itachi's feet, he cannot see Itachi's eyes, they're not in his peripheral, but with the byakugan they would be

Also the fact that Kabuto blinded himself, and kept his eyes open to fight itachi implies that it's not about whether Itachi makes direct eye contant, but whether his opponent sees his sharingan, so if a Byakugan user closes his/her eye lids and still see's the sharingan using the byakugan, even through their eye lid, it should effect them.