How Byakugan Can Counter Sharingan Genjutsu

[wanderingcactus]

Thank you for the thread.
It was well put and had some thought behind it.

While I think it is very plausible,
Itachi still solos.

Thank you and
Let Himawari brighten up your day
And remember to kneel before
the Great Hiruzen.

 

[Made in Heaven]

We already saw Asuma and Kurenai avoid Tsukyomi by closing their eyes. There is literally no reason to believe a Byakugan user can't do the same and compensate by seeing through their eye lids. Anyone denying this is nothing short of idiotic when there is nothing going against it.

 

[HokageKid]

So what you're saying is Sharingan can't use a visual genjutsu on the byakugan because the byakugan user can see them? If they're looking through their eyelids then they're still looking and can be caught in a visual genjutsu.
As for Kotoamatsukami, AO noticed it being used on someone else, he wasn't under a genjutsu so he could see the effects on the Samurai, but if the Genjutsu was used on him, and made so that he saw his own chakra was running uninterrupted, even though in reality he was under genjutsu, he wouldn't see through the genjutsu

 

[Made in Heaven]

@Bold Depends if they need the Byakugan open to be able to see the near full 360 or not even if the eye is activated. Kinda like a Sharingan user won't have precog if their eye's are closed.

Sharingan isn't Byakugan.
Sharingan can't see through Physical material.

Moreover, until something is stated in the manga, there is no reason to assume as such. Before anyone saw Kabuto cause Susano'O to disappear by blinding Sasuke, was there any reason to argue Susano'O woudl disappear if the user is blinded? Of course not. Likewise, until shown, there is no reason to say an eye that can see through phsyical matter would be hindered by physical matter. IF you want to brin up the precog thing, that's because the Sharingan user can't see anything, right? How does that relate to a Byakugan that can see through eye lids.

However, even without closing eyes, the user could avoid it with Byakugan in other ways.

 

[HokageKid]

We already saw Asuma and Kurenai avoid Tsukyomi by closing their eyes. There is literally no reason to believe a Byakugan user can't do the same and compensate by seeing through their eye lids. Anyone denying this is nothing short of idiotic when there is nothing going against it.

Seriously?
Asuma and Kurenai avoided it because they cut off their own visual link, by closing their eyes, if the Byakugan user is looking through their own eyelids then their visual link to the sharingan is still intact and they're still open to a visual genjutsu attack.

 

[ImmortalRegis]

We already saw Asuma and Kurenai avoid Tsukyomi by closing their eyes. There is literally no reason to believe a Byakugan user can't do the same and compensate by seeing through their eye lids. Anyone denying this is nothing short of idiotic when there is nothing going against it.

Thats why they always have their eyes opened so they can use Dojutsu power and yeah im denying this

 

[Genocide]

Seriously?
Asuma and Kurenai avoided it because they cut off their own visual link, by closing their eyes, if the Byakugan user is looking through their own eyelids then their visual link to the sharingan is still intact and they're still open to a visual genjutsu attack.

nice fanfic... teh is no corlation btween looking in byakugan and sharingan pickin it up

 

[HokageKid]

nice fanfic... teh is no corlation btween looking in byakugan and sharingan pickin it up

I don't know what that means, please try speaking in full sentences

 

[Made in Heaven]

Seriously?
Asuma and Kurenai avoided it because they cut off their own visual link, by closing their eyes, if the Byakugan user is looking through their own eyelids then their visual link to the sharingan is still intact and they're still open to a visual genjutsu attack.

Yes, seriously, because you have the absolute wrong idea. Genjutsu works by the user flowing Chakra into their victim's eyes by direct eye contact. It doesn't matter whether the victim can see through their own eyelids or not because those eyelids prevent the genjutsu fro working. As long as that eye contact from the Sharingan to the victim is not their, they will be fine. Just as Gai fought by looking down at his opponent's feet, his eyes were still open, but Itachi couldn't see them. Same goes here, the Byakugan allows for them to see through their eyelids, and the eyelid itself acts as a barrier to genjutsu.

Thats why they always have their eyes opened so they can use Dojutsu power and yeah im denying this

Why would they close their eyes unless necessarily? lol

Also, even if people want to cry over a technicality like this, evidenced by Gai, the Byakugan would still be able to avoid getting caught even if the user's eyes are open.

 

[HokageKid]

Yes, seriously, because you have the absolute wrong idea. Genjutsu works by the user flowing Chakra into their victim's eyes by direct eye contact. It doesn't matter whether the victim can see through their own eyelids or not because those eyelids prevent the genjutsu fro working. As long as that eye contact from the Sharingan to the victim is not their, they will be fine. Just as Gai fought by looking down at his opponent's feet, his eyes were still open, but Itachi couldn't see them. Same goes here, the Byakugan allows for them to see through their eyelids, and the eyelid itself acts as a barrier to genjutsu.

I feel like it works more like if the victim looks into the eyes of the Sharingan, like a hypnotic eye sort of thing, Gai never looked into Itachi's Eyes, Asuma and Kurenai never looked into his eyes, but if you're a byakugan user, looking through your eyelids and seeing the hypnotic eye, you're caught under their genjutsu.

Either way there's not manga facts to back up that Byakugan works through eyelids.

 

[ImmortalRegis]

Why would they close their eyes unless necessarily? lol

Also, even if people want to cry over a technicality like this, evidenced by Gai, the Byakugan would still be able to avoid getting caught even if the user's eyes are open.

Like i said before, Hinata doesnt deserve the words i have for you.

They obviously fight with the open eyes so they can see and use the Dojutsu power. Now cut crap

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

So what you're saying is Sharingan can't use a visual genjutsu on the byakugan because the byakugan user can see them? If they're looking through their eyelids then they're still looking and can be caught in a visual genjutsu.
As for Kotoamatsukami, AO noticed it being used on someone else, he wasn't under a genjutsu so he could see the effects on the Samurai, but if the Genjutsu was used on him, and made so that he saw his own chakra was running uninterrupted, even though in reality he was under genjutsu, he wouldn't see through the genjutsu

I don't know about @ bold...sharingan genjutsu needs eye contact to work...byakugan users don't need to fight with direct eye contact since they can see thru solid objects (for example their eyelids)...that's why I think byakugan is a natural counter to sharingan genjutsu...another one would be sage mode sensing

 

[HokageKid]

Why would they close their eyes unless necessarily? lol

Also, even if people want to cry over a technicality like this, evidenced by Gai, the Byakugan would still be able to avoid getting caught even if the user's eyes are open.

Except Gai avoided looking directly into itachi's eyes, by limiting his view to Itachi's feet, however with a nearly 360 degree view, you can't just not see into the sharingan's eyes, like if you're watching tv, you're focusing on the tv, but you still see the tv stand.

 

[Genocide]

I don't know what that means, please try speaking in full sentences

you think that the sharingan can create eye contact with teh byakugan even though there is a medium it has to pass through which is the same as closing your eyes and there is no evidence to suggest that the sharingan can do what you said

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Never have I seen a hyuuga use byukagan with their eyes closed. That's like saying a sharingan can cast a genjutsu with their eyes closed. The whole point about ocular doujutsu is to keep the eyes open.

 

[Hakke]

with the X ray vision. The Byakugan user can focus his vision on the Chakra network of his enemy so he would avoid looking directly at his enemy's Shaingan

 

[HokageKid]

Also Whoever was saying kotoamatsukami wouldn't work, Danzo used it with bandages wrapped around his eye so seems like direct eyecontact isn't needed for that.

you think that the sharingan can create eye contact with teh byakugan even though there is a medium it has to pass through which is the same as closing your eyes and there is no evidence to suggest that the sharingan can do what you said

There's no evidence to suggest that a Byakugan user can see with his/her eyes shut, when they always fight with their eyes open.

 

[Made in Heaven]

I feel like it works more like if the victim looks into the eyes of the Sharingan, like a hypnotic eye sort of thing, Gai never looked into Itachi's Eyes, Asuma and Kurenai never looked into his eyes, but if you're a byakugan user, looking through your eyelids and seeing the hypnotic eye, you're caught under their genjutsu.

Either way there's not manga facts to back up that Byakugan works through eyelids.

Except it doens't.

Again, it doesn't matter what's going on with the victim's eyes. It solely matters whether there is a barrier between the victim's eyes and the Sharingan user. Suppose if a Hyuga is standing behind a tree using their Byakugan to see through it. The Sharingan user still won't be able to caste genjutsu regardless of the Byakugan user's eyes seeing through the tree because the Sharingan user themself can't see through the tree, thus their eyes can't put Chakra into the Byakugan user's eyes. The eyelids argument works in the same way.

Also Whoever was saying kotoamatsukami wouldn't work, Danzo used it with bandages wrapped around his eye so seems like direct eyecontact isn't needed for that.



There's no evidence to suggest that a Byakugan user can see with his/her eyes shut, when they always fight with their eyes open.

And yet you just presented Danzo using his Sharingan with bandages.

And since you brought that up, Ao used his Byakugan to see through his eye patch. Explain to me the difference between that and an eyelid. Because that pretty much proves you're wrong on Byakugan being hindered by the eyelids being closed.

 

[Genocide]

Also Whoever was saying kotoamatsukami wouldn't work, Danzo used it with bandages wrapped around his eye so seems like direct eyecontact isn't needed for that.



There's no evidence to suggest that a Byakugan user can see with his/her eyes shut, when they always fight with their eyes open.

except that they can see through objects lmao

 

[Made in Heaven]

Never have I seen a hyuuga use byukagan with their eyes closed. That's like saying a sharingan can cast a genjutsu with their eyes closed. The whole point about ocular doujutsu is to keep the eyes open.

Danzo and Ao though.