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[JIRAIYA perv]

It would help him become Hokage. Just like he became Hokage in the aftermath of Pains invasion. Orochimaru was secretly his subordinate, who gave Danzo his Senju cells. He attacked the village to kill Sarutobi. But that incident attracted Jiraiya, Sarutobi's first choice, and Danzo was once again powerless.

you see this was about hiruzen dying ONLY hiruzen. you must understand that danzo's loyalty have always been for the leaf, and to become hokage ?? hokage of what after the kyuubi attacks (what will be left of the village) ?? pain's envasion had nothing to do with danzo but it did work in his favor. the proof of danzo's loyalty is how he waned to take sasuke and tobi down (enemies of the leaf) and he had the uchiha killed to avoid the risk of bringing havoc on konoha (exterminated an entire clan), and you think that he would agree on this to become hokage ??

 

[The God of Wind]

I think you're thinking too hard.

Obito's attack on the Leaf just makes sense now.

 

[The God of Wind]

you see this was about hiruzen dying ONLY hiruzen. you must understand that danzo's loyalty have always been for the leaf, and to become hokage ?? hokage of what after the kyuubi attacks (what will be left of the village) ??

Bits and pieces, there would be some people alive thanks to Konoha's strict rule about crisis situations. He would pick up those pieces, just like he did after Pain, tell me, what was left of Konoha after he was through with it?

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Bits and pieces, there would be some people alive thanks to Konoha's strict rule about crisis situations. He would pick up those pieces, just like he did after Pain, tell me, what was left of Konoha after he was through with it?

pain's envasion had nothing to do with danzo but it did work in his favor. the proof of danzo's loyalty is how he waned to take sasuke and tobi down (enemies of the leaf) and he had the uchiha killed to avoid the risk of bringing havoc on konoha (exterminated an entire clan), and you think that he would agree on this to become hokage ?? you know that this also means that konoha would be week and deffenceless against their enemies (specially at that time)

 

[Omnipotent]

Shisui didn't die on the day of the Uchiha massacre. And how do you know when Orochimaru left the village? Even if he did, he's the one that gave Danzo the Senju cells and implanted his power to perform Izanagi. That was after the massacre.

Orochimaru left shortly after Minato became the Yondaime Hokage, years before the Uchiha Clan Massacre:

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Do you really think Orochimaru was still a shinobi of Konohagakure during the Nine-Tails' Attack on Konoha?
Even that's still eight years before the Uchiha Clan Massacre.

So no, the eye that was under the bandage couldn't have been Shisui's eye:

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[The God of Wind]

pain's envasion had nothing to do with danzo but it did work in his favor. the proof of danzo's loyalty is how he waned to take sasuke and tobi down (enemies of the leaf) and he had the uchiha killed to avoid the risk of bringing havoc on konoha (exterminated an entire clan), and you think that he would agree on this to become hokage ?? you know that this also means that konoha would be week and deffenceless against their enemies (specially at that time)

Tobi cornered Danzo, to let Sasuke get his revenge and fuel his hatred. Danzo was running away from Sasuke, for good reason, look how it ended for him lol. Danzo was the type of man who would kill anyone to get into power. He had no conscience, only ambitions.

The plan probably was for Obito to kill both the Kage and take the Kyuubi with him, because he would need it for the Mazo later. Yondaime put a stop to it.

Danzo had to keep his end of the bargain in any case, he offered an alliance to Amegakure and persuaded Hanzo that Akatsuki was really a threat.
Danzo's plan didn't work but Obito's did, Yahiko was gone and Nagato was emotionally vulnerable and hella easy to corrupt.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Tobi cornered Danzo, to let Sasuke get his revenge and fuel his hatred. Danzo was running away from Sasuke, for good reason, look how it ended for him lol. Danzo was the type of man who would kill anyone to get into power. He had no conscience, only ambitions.

The plan probably was for Obito to kill both the Kage and take the Kyuubi with him, because he would need it for the Mazo later. Yondaime put a stop to it.

Danzo had to keep his end of the bargain in any case, he offered an alliance to Amegakure and persuaded Hanzo that Akatsuki was really a threat.
Danzo's plan didn't work but Obito's did, Yahiko was gone and Nagato was emotionally vulnerable and hella easy to corrupt.

sorry but i disagree on the fact that danzo would agree on destroying the leaf for power (his dream is to become hokage for god's sake).
did you understand what i meant when i said he waned to take TOBI along with sasuke ?? he saw tobi as a threat to the leaf and the shinobi world thats why (he even had a heroic tribute in the anime after he died) so no i don't agree on any this. danzo did take extreme measures to get power and did the dirty work that had to be done, but his loyalty was always to the leaf.

 

[The God of Wind]

Orochimaru left shortly after Minato became the Yondaime Hokage, years before the Uchiha Clan Massacre:

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Do you really think Orochimaru was still a shinobi of Konohagakure during the Nine-Tails' Attack on Konoha?
Even that's still eight years before the Uchiha Clan Massacre.

So no, the eye that was under the bandage couldn't have been Shisui's eye:

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If he didn't then he probably had someone else's Sharingan, this doesn't disapprove my theory anyway. Orochimaru was still there to implant Senju DNA and make Izanagi work for Danzo, that was after the massacre.

 

[The God of Wind]

sorry but i disagree on the fact that danzo would agree on destroying the leaf for power (his dream is to become hokage for god's sake).
did you understand what i meant when i said he waned to take TOBI along with sasuke ?? he saw tobi as a threat to the leaf and the shinobi world thats why (he even had a heroic tribute in the anime after he died) so no i don't agree on any this. danzo did take extreme measures to get power and did the dirty work that had to be done, but his loyalty was always to the leaf.

He was cornered for God's sake, he was running back to the village! Tobi didn't let him escape, he had no choice but to fight! Did you read what Tobi said? "We haven't met since the Uchiha incident" They were in cahoots long before that probably! Look at how that heroic man took a teenage girl hostage to survive in the end. Your Hero's ideology was that people should die for him to become the savior of the world! Are you freaking kidding me?

 

[Worm]

I like how you think, good thread

 

[TheWillofFire]

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"It's part of my plan, to start a war, to bring peace......."​

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Obito's attack on the leaf village was performed as a favor to Danzo, in order to help get him into power! The Kyuubi was never expected to be stopped.

Think about it! Why wouldn't Obito just take the Kyuubi with him? Instead, he unleashed it upon the village. It was so that the Kyuubi would destroy everyone and Danzo would take over in the aftermath, just like with Pain's invasion!

So that he could get Danzo, to force the Akatsuki into doing this:

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And get Nagato on his side!

Interesting thinking but I disagree
Obito did not do this for Danzo, he did it for himself (obito and danzo are enemies)
That is why danzo wanted to kill obito, he knows he was a great threat.
Also danzos will was always to protect konoha, never to put it in danger.

Obito had the potential to wipe out all of konoha even danzo, and that would be against danzos rise to power
Obito simply did not leave once he tamed kyuubi because of the fact that the best option next is to destroy konoha so that they will not ruin his plans forever. If obito would of just left after extracting kurama, mimato and all of konoha woulda been after him, which would put obito in danger.

 

[The God of Wind]

I like how you think, good thread

thanks!

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

He was cornered for God's sake, he was running back to the village! Tobi didn't let him escape, he had no choice but to fight! Did you read what Tobi said? "We haven't met since the Uchiha incident" They were in cahoots long before that probably! Look at how that heroic man took a teenage girl hostage to survive in the end. Your Hero's ideology was that people should die for him to become the savior of the world! Are you freaking kidding me?

chill .... that little girl was one of the enemy and i only said what happened, go watch his tribute in the anime and why he did that big final attack plus what he said/thought before he did that, cornered or not he did intend to take them down along with him. and so what if obito met him before, that doesn't mean shit .... when you try to make a point at least cover all the angles right.

 

[Ember011]

Well Obito is very manipulative so it's possible!!

 

[Omnipotent]

If he didn't then he probably had someone else's Sharingan, this doesn't disapprove my theory anyway. Orochimaru was still there to implant Senju DNA and make Izanagi work for Danzo, that was after the massacre.

Note how you're using the word "probably". That means you can't be completely sure. Myself saying "maybe something happened to his original eye" is about as credible as what you're saying, because it could have happened but also likely didn't happen.

But what we do know is that Orochimaru defected promptly after Minato was chosen as Yondaime Hokage, which was many years before the Uchiha Massacre:

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Also, Kabuto is fifteen by the time of the Uchiha Massacre. Do you really think he's older than 15, since you think this is after the Massacre?:

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[The God of Wind]

Interesting thinking but I disagree
Obito did not do this for Danzo, he did it for himself (obito and danzo are enemies)
That is why danzo wanted to kill obito, he knows he was a great threat.
Also danzos will was always to protect konoha, never to put it in danger.

Obito had the potential to wipe out all of konoha even danzo, and that would be against danzos rise to power
Obito simply did not leave once he tamed kyuubi because of the fact that the best option next is to destroy konoha so that they will not ruin his plans forever. If obito would of just left after extracting konoha, mimato and all of konoha woulda been after him, which would put obito in danger.

Do you think he would let Nagato, just roam free with his Rinnegan, he was the key to Obito's plans! Nagato wouldn't join him because of Yahiko, Obito had to do something about that! Do you think he would leave something like that to chance?

When Obito told Nagato, "you will realize soon enough", Obito was shown standing over Konoha in the next panel about to start his plan with the Kyuubi.

 

[The God of Wind]

chill .... that little girl was one of the enemy and i only said what happened, go watch his tribute in the anime and why he did that big final attack plus what he said/thought before he did that, cornered or not he did intend to take them down along with him. and so what if obito met him before, that doesn't mean shit .... when you try to make a point at least cover all the angles right.

Final attack? LOL! He was dead either way!

Oh really? It doesn't mean anything that Uchiha Madara had met Danzo during the Uchiha incident and possibly before that? :rofl:

Note how you're using the word "probably". That means you can't be completely sure. Myself saying "maybe something happened to his original eye" is about as credible as what you're saying, because it could have happened but also likely didn't happen.

But what we do know is that Orochimaru defected promptly after Minato was chosen as Yondaime Hokage,
Also, Kabuto is fifteen by the time of the Uchiha Massacre. Do you really think he's older than 15, since you think this is after the Massacre?:

It doesn't matter when he had the eye, I told you, that doesn't affect my theory.

Nagato was Obito's key to the Mazo, do you think he wouldn't do anything about Yahiko who was getting in his way?

 

[Draphsin]

Genius

^This^ *applause*

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Final attack? LOL! He was dead either way!

Oh really? It doesn't mean anything that Uchiha Madara had met Danzo during the Uchiha incident and possibly before that? :rofl:

oh god ...... its hard to get through to that thick skull of yours lol dude am talking about his intention witch he stated in the ANIME before doing that final attack (dead already or not doesn't matter here) am talking about his intention witch is an indication of his loyalty ...... you know whats really funny ?? its the fact that you actually believe half of the suff you said. and he did have his heroic tribute witch means that he wasn't all bad (kishi's view) witch means that you got this the wrong way. give it a rest. its painful to read this after seeing that the thread name is IT ALL MAKES SENSE, what sense ?? yours ?? don't make me laugh ...

 

[Draphsin]

oh god ...... its hard to get through to that thick skull of yours lol dude am talking about his intention witch he stated in the ANIME before doing that final attack (dead already or not doesn't matter here) am talking about his intention witch is an indication of his loyalty ...... you know whats really funny ?? its the fact that you actually believe half of the suff you said. and he did have his heroic tribute witch means that he wasn't all bad (kishi's view) witch means that you got this the wrong way. give it a rest

Danzo was a scumbag...