Hiruzen vs Jiraiya (no conditions)

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i think jiraiya would win, hiruzen is overrated
I don't know if I should kiss you or give you a high five. We have not seen a "PRIME" Hiruzen. And why even say Prime jiriaya wtf...Jiriaya takes this because the hype of Hiruzen is just ridiculous...
 
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T.T......Prime hiruzen is one of Kishi's most hyped characters......Strongest hokage, Strongest Kage, God of shinobi , Knew how to use all existing Konoha jutsu at The point of time when he was named Professor ......Knows and have counter for most if not all existing Konoha jutsu.........Genius......

.....Yea.....My pick is based on what was said in manga,
 
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Dumb logic..
So You look at The elders saying this
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And also chiyo saying Sandaime was the strongest kazekage....

And you'd still say Gaara> sandaime?....

Or

if feats > Hype
Ten ten > izuna?

lee> Tobriama?

.... -_-
I agree with this, even though Jiraiya is one of my favorites he'd lose to him.
 

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T.T......Prime hiruzen is one of Kishi's most hyped characters......Strongest hokage, Strongest Kage, God of shinobi , Knew how to use all existing Konoha jutsu at The point of time when he was named Professor ......Knows and have counter for most if not all existing Konoha jutsu.........Genius......

.....Yea.....My pick is based on what was said in manga,
Pretty much this^^
 

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Give evidence other then what was "said" in the manga. In vs threads it's about what we know for certian about the two parties, not speculation.
Hiruzen hasn't shown his full capabilities though.....Thus this vs thread shouldn't even be made....But what he does have is hype by everyone.....Everyone seems to think that guy used to be the shitt.... So are they all speculating? The anbu ninja, Iruka, Kabuto ,Orochimaru, His pet summon emna .... Just because a character hasn't shown what he can do doesn't mean he isn't strong...
Before Madara was shown... Would you say jiraya was able to defeat Madara? all he had was hype..Strongest Uchiha, Controlled kyuubi like a pet, Battle with first Made a Valley .....

Would you say jiraya would beat him even though he never made a appearance ?
 
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