Hiruzen vs Ay
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1-Dude, that's an Offpanel feat, are you really suggesting Hiruzen can keep up with Tobirama in speed?
2-Read the whole chapter, Kabuto explains that the force of nature increases a lot his reflexes.
3-The times Sasuke got surprised was because his CM wasn't activated, in CS2 Sasuke was able to dodge a lot of point blank atacks coming from Deidara.
SM > CS since its just a better version lol.
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1. Off panel feats = non existent then? So Ay teleporting behind Sasuke must be lies then.
2 That's a fundamental of his sage mode.
3. Ftl opponents are ftl.
Still waiting in the proof.
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It only says he absorbs the force of nature, nothing about reflexes unless i missed something
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How is Hiruzen using that jutsu before the raikage atacks? He wont be on time to it, he would just have time to block the punch with the stick, no enma cage.
Ay dodges the Fuuton atack, he dodged amaterasu wich is a lot faster, he would be on time to dodge the Fuuton atack.
No way Hiruzen wins, he looses all scenarios.
He is explaining how he dodged the susano arrow, his natural perfection got increased "so much", because of Juugo's DNA.
The perceptual abilitie is increased by the force of nature.
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Okay there's the proof, Juugo's reflexes > Hiruzen's. So hiruzen looses all scenarios
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Well according to hype, Hiruzen was the strongest Kage of his time. But I'll stick to the feats
Scenario 1: Hiruzen due to intel and being an Edo, it'll let Hiruzen form a nice counter attack by taking a hit and Ay having no sealing jutsus.
Ay for the rest of the scenarios with him only having trouble in scenario 3.
Hiruzen wins all senarios.
I seriously thought about this match-up the other day. The problem with hiruzen fighting any enemy isn't based on who's faster or stronger, it more based of who is smarter. And hiruzen is far smarter than the raikage.
What we know about the Raikage is that he recklessly rushed into any situation, mostly relying on his speed to get the job done. This is not the smartest thing to do against a opponent like hiruzen.
Even in that short amount of distance when Ay starts rushing in toward hiruzen, hiruzen can drop a smoke bomb and and utilize a temporaliy blind raikage to create 4 shadow clones. After this is accomplished and the smoke begins to clear, Hiruzen could take advantage of a disoriented raikage by using all the clones (which raikage still hasn't realized were summoned) to each launch a fuma shuriken his way and clone them to surround him with 5000 giant shuriken. The only clear way for the raikage to dodge them at that point is to jump upward to evade, as his speed wouldn't save him from the wide radius that the assault would cover. The problem with raikage jumping upward is that his speed is a non factor while he is airborn, so hiruzen could at that time easily use 2 of his clone to assault raikage with to powerful wind streams (sandwiching), which would eliminate his lightning armour and send him hurling to the ground, after that hiruzen could simply finish him off at that point with a deadly finishing blow from a enlarged enma either knocking him unconscious or breaking most of the bones in his body.
Once again the professor is far to versatile for the raikage, he has many tools at his disposal that can help him win. Raikage cant outsmart hiruzen, so I can see this going to hiruzen in every scenario.
I seriously thought about this match-up the other day. The problem with hiruzen fighting any enemy isn't based on who's faster or stronger, it more based of who is smarter. And hiruzen is far smarter than the raikage.
What we know about the Raikage is that he recklessly rushed into any situation, mostly relying on his speed to get the job done. This is not the smartest thing to do against a opponent like hiruzen.
Even in that short amount of distance when Ay starts rushing in toward hiruzen, hiruzen can drop a smoke bomb and and utilize a temporaliy blind raikage to create 4 shadow clones. After this is accomplished and the smoke begins to clear, Hiruzen could take advantage of a disoriented raikage by using all the clones (which raikage still hasn't realized were summoned) to each launch a fuma shuriken his way and clone them to surround him with 5000 giant shuriken. The only clear way for the raikage to dodge them at that point is to jump upward to evade, as his speed wouldn't save him from the wide radius that the assault would cover. The problem with raikage jumping upward is that his speed is a non factor while he is airborn, so hiruzen could at that time easily use 2 of his clone to assault raikage with to powerful wind streams (sandwiching), which would eliminate his lightning armour and send him hurling to the ground, after that hiruzen could simply finish him off at that point with a deadly finishing blow from a enlarged enma either knocking him unconscious or breaking most of the bones in his body.
Once again the professor is far to versatile for the raikage, he has many tools at his disposal that can help him win. Raikage cant outsmart hiruzen, so I can see this going to hiruzen in every scenario.
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