Hiruzen vs Ay

[KidGamer65]

Location: Gokage vs Madara

Distance: The same as the distance between Madara and Sasuke

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Intel: Full

Restrictions: V2 Raiton Armor

Scenario 1: Hiruzen is an Edo with no Regen

Scenario 2: Hiruzen is alive.

Scenario 3: Hiruzen is an Edo with no regen and V2 is unrestricted.

Scenario 4: Hiruzen is alive, and V2 is unrestricted.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Hiruzen gets defeated in every single scenario.

 

[Oblivionx]

by hype hiruzen wins every scenario as he was considered strongest of the gokage but by feats hiruzen loses every scenario....! although in 1st 2 scenarios he might have a chance with if nothing else then RDS....!

 

[Touken]

lmao, have you embraced the Hiruzen hype?

I reckon he wins scenario 1 & 2 but gets blitzed in 3 & 4.

 

[miromiro]

Ay wins them all.

 

[Draegod]

Aye all day baby! All day!

 

[KidGamer65]

lmao, have you embraced the Hiruzen hype?

I reckon he wins scenario 1 & 2 but gets blitzed in 3 & 4.

Lol, I'm just wondering what everyone thinks of this.

 

[EZQ]

Ay wins all scenarios.

Pls, scenario 4 is a motherf*cking stomp.

Scenarios 1 2 and 3 can go from low to mid diff for Ay

 

[TheEvilOne]

The only Kage who can't beat Hiruzen is probably the 4th Kazekage lol.

 

[KidGamer65]

The only Kage who can't beat Hiruzen is probably the 4th Kazekage lol.

*cough* Tsunade *cough*

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Hiruzen wins the scenarios in which V2 is restricted.

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

Considering a Chidori broke through his armour, and the fact Hiruzen can combine it with Futon I don't see it providing much defence against Hiruzen - if he gets hit. Hiruzen also kept up with the guy stated to be faster than the third so he's not getting blitzed. Plus Hiruzen could just hang out with Enma in his adamantine cage and get high with his Boi whilst Ay watches and tries to get in.

Ay's not winning without V2, even then I'm not sure.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The distance favors Ay alot, in all scenarios

 

[EZQ]

Hiruzen wins the scenarios in which V2 is restricted.

No he doesn't, lemme give you some scans.

This is V1 Raikage, and look what he did to Juugo, who has Curse Mark, wich increases Juugos reflexes since it is like a cheap SM.

There was nothing CS Juugo could do, forget about Hiruzen, he just can't keep up with Ay's speed and doesn't have a great defence, even if he blocks the punch with Enma forget about the second one.

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That's v1 Ay...

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[Sendai Aka No Ou]

Proof that the curse mark enhances his reflexes. Is blitzing a mad Jugo really that impressive?

 

[EZQ]

Proof that the curse mark enhances his reflexes. Is blitzing a mad Jugo really that impressive?

Hiruzen's speed < Juugo's .

And yes. Juugo can absorbe the force of nature and that increases his reflexes.

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[Bogard]

A is still fast even in base since he blitzed white Zetsu in base and Jugo barely reacted to his speed in V1, Sasuke only dodging him thanks to his Sharingan precognition, so it would heavily depend on Hiruzen's reflexes and the distance. The distance in OP seems to be the same as the one between Jugo and A during the summit before A started attacking:

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So normally he should be capable to do at least as well as Jugo(blocking) if not even better especially if he starts out with Enma who could protect himself anytime by creating a cage

Problem is that he has no way to hit A even in V1. The dude dodged a point blank Jugo laser and even with the elementary attacks he has shown in latest chapter, they aren't as fast as Jugo's laser(although they have greater range)

So while Hiruzen may have the reflexes and blocking capability(Enma) to counter A, he doesn't possess techniques fast enough to hit him, which will then come down to a battle of attrition

A has no sealing techniques however, so would most likely lose the scenario1 or 3, but i see him winning the other scenarios

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Hiruzen's speed < Juugo's

This nigga.

 

[EZQ]

A is still fast even in base since he blitzed white Zetsu in base and Jugo barely reacted to his speed in V1, Sasuke only dodging him thanks to his Sharingan precognition, so it would heavily depend on Hiruzen's reflexes and the distance. The distance in OP seems to be the same as the one between Jugo and A during the summit before A started attacking:

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So normally he should be capable to do at least as well as Jugo(blocking) if not even better especially if he starts out with Enma who could protect himself anytime by creating a cage

Problem is that he has no way to hit A even in V1. The dude dodged a point blank Jugo laser and even with the elementary attacks he has shown in latest chapter, they aren't as fast as Jugo's laser(although they have greater range)

So while Hiruzen may have the reflexes and blocking capability(Enma) to counter A, he doesn't possess techniques fast enough to hit him, which will then come down to a battle of attrition

A has no sealing techniques however, so would most likely lose the scenario1 or 3, but i see him winning the other scenarios

Edo with no regeneration means Ay doesn't need sealing. Also, Hiruzen can block one of the punches with Enma, but then their distance would be like 0.5 meters away, then Ay speedblitzed with an elbow to the face like he did with Jugo

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

Jugo is faster than the guy that kept up with Tobirama? That's why Jugo arrived at the battlefield before him I suppose.

You have no proof it's a mechanism of Jugo's transformation. It's all well and good absorbing the force of nature, but what do they do with it? I suppose it's just a plot hole that there's a clear difference between the Sage Modes and the Curse marks. Sasuke had the curse mark and got taken by surprise numerous times, I suppose that's just because his opponents were ftl.