Hiruzen vs Ay

[EZQ]

This nigfa.

Yes ... you know

 

[EZQ]

Jugo is faster than the guy that kept up with Tobirama? That's why Jugo arrived at the battlefield before him I suppose.

You have no proof it's a mechanism of Jugo's transformation. It's all well and good absorbing the force of nature, but what do they do with it? I suppose it's just a plot hole that there's a clear difference between the Sage Modes and the Curse marks. Sasuke had the curse mark and got taken by surprise numerous times, I suppose that's just because his opponents were ftl.

1-Dude, that's an Offpanel feat, are you really suggesting Hiruzen can keep up with Tobirama in speed?

2-Read the whole chapter, Kabuto explains that the force of nature increases a lot his reflexes.

3-The times Sasuke got surprised was because his CM wasn't activated, in CS2 Sasuke was able to dodge a lot of point blank atacks coming from Deidara.

SM > CS since its just a better version lol.

 

[Xlad]

Definitely Ay.

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

1-Dude, that's an Offpanel feat, are you really suggesting Hiruzen can keep up with Tobirama in speed?

2-Read the whole chapter, Kabuto explains that the force of nature increases a lot his reflexes.

3-The times Sasuke got surprised was because his CM wasn't activated, in CS2 Sasuke was able to dodge a lot of point blank atacks coming from Deidara.

SM > CS since its just a better version lol.

1. Off panel feats = non existent then? So Ay teleporting behind Sasuke must be lies then.

2 That's a fundamental of his sage mode.

3. Ftl opponents are ftl.

Still waiting in the proof.

 

[Bogard]

Edo with no regeneration means Ay doesn't need sealing. Also, Hiruzen can block one of the punches with Enma, but then their distance would be like 0.5 meters away, then Ay speedblitzed with an elbow to the face like he did with Jugo

Well in this case, he wins all scenarios

 

[Zexion~]

Whenever i see one of your threads i have to post XD


Anyways i don't see how Hiruzen wins many of these if not all

 

[AGoodBoy]

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Hiruzen trolls ay's entire arsenal with that one move. He then takes pot shots at him.
A swamp of the underworld + his fuuton against shinshu ends it.

 

[~Sky~]

Scenario 1: Hiruzen is an Edo with no Regen

Hiruzen

Scenario 2: Hiruzen is alive.

Old- A

Young- Hiruzen

Scenario 3: Hiruzen is an Edo with no regen and V2 is unrestricted.

Still Hiruzen

Scenario 4: Hiruzen is alive, and V2 is unrestricted.

Old- A

Young- Hiruzen

 

[Shura]

*cough* Tsunade *cough*

This ^

@On-Topic. Hiruzen wins the first two scenarios and loses the other two, in my opinion.​

 

[Xlad]

I reread it. Hiruzen would only win the first scenario due to being an edo with regen.

 

[KidGamer65]

I reread it. Hiruzen would only win the first scenario due to being an edo with regen.

He doesn't have regen.

 

[Curse Mark]

Hiruzen's speed < Juugo's .

And yes. Juugo can absorbe the force of nature and that increases his reflexes.

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It only says he absorbs the force of nature, nothing about reflexes unless i missed something

 

[Headmaster]

ay wins all senarios

 

[Stark]

He wins every scenerio

 

[EZQ]

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Hiruzen trolls ay's entire arsenal with that one move. He then takes pot shots at him.
A swamp of the underworld + his fuuton against shinshu ends it.

How is Hiruzen using that jutsu before the raikage atacks? He wont be on time to it, he would just have time to block the punch with the stick, no enma cage.

Ay dodges the Fuuton atack, he dodged amaterasu wich is a lot faster, he would be on time to dodge the Fuuton atack.

No way Hiruzen wins, he looses all scenarios.

 

[EZQ]

It only says he absorbs the force of nature, nothing about reflexes unless i missed something

He is explaining how he dodged the susano arrow, his natural perfection got increased "so much", because of Juugo's DNA.

The perceptual abilitie is increased by the force of nature.

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Okay there's the proof, Juugo's reflexes > Hiruzen's. So hiruzen looses all scenarios

 

[Gold Lightning]

Ay would win most scenarios

 

[Kαmi]

Location: Gokage vs Madara

Distance: The same as the distance between Madara and Sasuke

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Intel: Full

Restrictions: V2 Raiton Armor

Scenario 1: Hiruzen is an Edo with no Regen

Scenario 2: Hiruzen is alive.

Scenario 3: Hiruzen is an Edo with no regen and V2 is unrestricted.

Scenario 4: Hiruzen is alive, and V2 is unrestricted.

Well according to hype, Hiruzen was the strongest Kage of his time. But I'll stick to the feats

Scenario 1: Hiruzen due to intel and being an Edo, it'll let Hiruzen form a nice counter attack by taking a hit and Ay having no sealing jutsus.

Ay for the rest of the scenarios with him only having trouble in scenario 3.

 

[MickNerks]

Hiruzen wins all senarios.

I seriously thought about this match-up the other day. The problem with hiruzen fighting any enemy isn't based on who's faster or stronger, it more based of who is smarter. And hiruzen is far smarter than the raikage.

What we know about the Raikage is that he recklessly rushed into any situation, mostly relying on his speed to get the job done. This is not the smartest thing to do against a opponent like hiruzen.

Even in that short amount of distance when Ay starts rushing in toward hiruzen, hiruzen can drop a smoke bomb and and utilize a temporaliy blind raikage to create 4 shadow clones. After this is accomplished and the smoke begins to clear, Hiruzen could take advantage of a disoriented raikage by using all the clones (which raikage still hasn't realized were summoned) to each launch a fuma shuriken his way and clone them to surround him with 5000 giant shuriken. The only clear way for the raikage to dodge them at that point is to jump upward to evade, as his speed wouldn't save him from the wide radius that the assault would cover. The problem with raikage jumping upward is that his speed is a non factor while he is airborn, so hiruzen could at that time easily use 2 of his clone to assault raikage with to powerful wind streams (sandwiching), which would eliminate his lightning armour and send him hurling to the ground, after that hiruzen could simply finish him off at that point with a deadly finishing blow from a enlarged enma either knocking him unconscious or breaking most of the bones in his body.

Once again the professor is far to versatile for the raikage, he has many tools at his disposal that can help him win. Raikage cant outsmart hiruzen, so I can see this going to hiruzen in every scenario.

 

[EZQ]

Hiruzen wins all senarios.

I seriously thought about this match-up the other day. The problem with hiruzen fighting any enemy isn't based on who's faster or stronger, it more based of who is smarter. And hiruzen is far smarter than the raikage.

What we know about the Raikage is that he recklessly rushed into any situation, mostly relying on his speed to get the job done. This is not the smartest thing to do against a opponent like hiruzen.

Even in that short amount of distance when Ay starts rushing in toward hiruzen, hiruzen can drop a smoke bomb and and utilize a temporaliy blind raikage to create 4 shadow clones. After this is accomplished and the smoke begins to clear, Hiruzen could take advantage of a disoriented raikage by using all the clones (which raikage still hasn't realized were summoned) to each launch a fuma shuriken his way and clone them to surround him with 5000 giant shuriken. The only clear way for the raikage to dodge them at that point is to jump upward to evade, as his speed wouldn't save him from the wide radius that the assault would cover. The problem with raikage jumping upward is that his speed is a non factor while he is airborn, so hiruzen could at that time easily use 2 of his clone to assault raikage with to powerful wind streams (sandwiching), which would eliminate his lightning armour and send him hurling to the ground, after that hiruzen could simply finish him off at that point with a deadly finishing blow from a enlarged enma either knocking him unconscious or breaking most of the bones in his body.

Once again the professor is far to versatile for the raikage, he has many tools at his disposal that can help him win. Raikage cant outsmart hiruzen, so I can see this going to hiruzen in every scenario.

This *****... that¡s why you have the honor to be in my sig