Hiruzen Sarutobi wa sthe strongest kage ever
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I agree that most people have the mentality of “what have you done for me lately”, and we witnessed this just last week when people drooled over madara, simply because we got to see some of his powers, but that does not make it right (or legit), and you should be able to view it from a broad perspective and not get sucked into the “here and now”.
Hiruzen will always be relevant, because he was the guy who implemented the will of fire, the very thing which will bring naruto to victory, when the time comes .He was the longest reigning kage, during which time he managed to avoid being invaded, so when you look back at history he will always be a big part of konoha’s history. Without him there would be no sannin, and without them the story would have been totally different, because naruto would have been weak if he didn’t recieve the necessary training from jiraiya, who btw was responsible for getting info on the mighty pain. Sasuke would have also stayed in the village since he would have nowhere to go, because it was oro who gave him that option when he planted the curse seal on him. Finally, sakura would have been even weaker than she is today. See the picture?
Sure, he might not be relevant to the story now (character wise), and may never be again (unless konohamau gets a spin off), but that does not change the event of the past, unless of course kishi says so. Minato is pretty much done in the story, since naruto surpassed him on all levels(if not he is very close),and he gave naruto the task of getting rid of tobi/madara.Hashirama have yet to receive the spotlight, and he will be a big part of the story because of the whole senju/uchiha thing, and the two main characters resembles the two spirits.
Well you know the phrase " History is written by winners",and sarutobi was winner....
I agree with the sentiment that action speaks louder than words, when we have seen both and can decide if the so called hype is justifiable.Until then, it's crazy to compare a guy like itachi/jiraiya to hiruzen.itachi/jiraiya would win by defaut because we have no feats from hiruzen,so all we have is the reputation he build up as a shinobi.
Lmao, watch out for the feminists out there,how dare you?! And to tbh they are probably reaching the floor right now if it weren’t for the beauty trick(joke ).
Well it is pretty obvious that very hokage can defeat each other,I will even go a step further and say that any kage level fighter can defeat you on any given sunday.Hell, even fodder can get lucky..
Tsunade is vastly underrrated and i hope she will fight dan, so she can shut alot of people up.She pretty much won a war by herself.
Sometimes words do the job….
Lol, you are kinda sitting on the fence here, and despite the fact that no man is invincible, there will always be a top dog. Naruto and sasuke will be in the near future, and when it comes to kage’s kishi proclaimed sarutobi to be the strongest.
I disagree with your assessment that you can go back on the words said in the manga, unless kishi openly discredit a character e.g. a guy like tobi who has been proven to lie in the past. I have used your quote before(btw is samuel cussing? lol), and I think you are using it wrong, otherwise I could say that iruka could defeat itachi, because iruka might just have the perfect counter for him.I would rather use it when feats are lacking, and in this case the author hypes a person to the max (i.e how did hashirama defeat madara). You don’t have to accept what the “higher ups “say, you could just move, or in this case, complain to kishi/stop reading the manga(i know extreme). Nobody can fault anybody for having an opinion, even a faulty one, but you should be able to handle the critique if something is missing or you a flat wrong. I’m talking about common-sense, manga pages, and other stuff published by the auther.
I'm not saying you can't still question stuff,and everybody does,and it is very likely you will be presented with reasonable arguments, but in the end numbers don’t lie.
If being a ninja means being a great technical fighter then Hiruzen deserves to be given the title as the strongest or one of the strongest hokages ever. His teachers were the 1st and second hokage, his students were the legendary sannin, so he is without a doubt top tier and worthy of being hokage. He was given praise by nearly everyone:
Iruka considered him to be the strongest hokage in his prime, and he's an academy instructor who's educated in the history of Konoha.
Orochimaru and Enma commented saying that Hiruzen was miserable compared to his prime, even though he held his composure against 2 kages and orochimaru. Yes they were zombies but their power is still kage level, and most Jonin would probably be fodderized simply against one of the edo kages, yet Hiruzen fought 2 and was considered miserable and pathetic!! And remember he fought the 2 kages while old, unprepared, and tired. Being old itself is a huge handicap when it restricts your chakra levels, your physical strength and speed at the same time to the level of a genin. Hiruzen had the chakra, strength and speed of a genin yet look how well he did against both kages! He doesn't have a gekkai genkai llike Onoki, nor is he a jinchuuriki but he's still a very great ninja even in his old, rusty state.
HIS NINJUTSU:: The third hokage has the greatest chakra control any ninja has ever showed. Despite having the chakra of a genin he utilized his chakra to use Shadow clone technique, a forbidden A rank technique that requires extreme chakra control, Dead Demon Consuming Seal, an S rank technique, Earth Release Shadow Clone, Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique, shadow shuriken technique, an A Rank technique, earth style wall, which creates a great defensive wall, Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet, Earth Release: Earth Flow River, fire release: fire dragon bullets, fire release: fire dragon flame bullet, which is a B Rank fire technique, and the only B Rank fire techniques are the most powerful b rank techniques. (e.g. kakuzus fire technique is b rank yet look how powerful it is. people seem to underestimate B Rank tecniques only because a rank is higher. but not even most jounin utilize b rank techniques. examples of B Rank techniques are 10,000 snake formation, water release: water shock wave etc.). This arsenal is incredible for someone who has the chakra of a genin, which proves how excellent his chakra control is using such powerful techniques with only the minimum chakra required to execute each technique. He is also a master at collaboration techniques when he combined Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet and fire release: fire dragon bullets which creates streams of lava that would pulverize any ninja except orochimaru. He mastered every technique in the leaf village, probably even the hiden techniques, the 8 gates, and rasengan probably. That's quite an arsenal if you ask me. The third didnt use his full arsenal because he detected that the edo kages can't be killed with flashy jutsus which is why he decided to seal them as fast as possible, which implies his intelligence.
TAIJUTSU: The third has a 5/5 in taijutsu in the latest databook something not even kakashi and itachi accomplished. He went toe to toe with both hokages in a taijutsu duel and easily repelled them. He fought both kages in taijutsu with sluggish speed and battled orochimaru with the kusanagi blade several times and almost won had it not been for the interference of both kages.
Intelligence: the third was very intelligent in battle. he blew up both kages' legs and was able to detect both kages under genjutsu. he realized that the edo tensei kages can't be killed and right away shifted to trying to seal them.
GENJUTSU: The databook gave him a 5/5 in that category so we can't argue.
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Iruka considered him to be the strongest hokage in his prime, and he's an academy instructor who's educated in the history of Konoha.
Orochimaru and Enma commented saying that Hiruzen was miserable compared to his prime, even though he held his composure against 2 kages and orochimaru. Yes they were zombies but their power is still kage level, and most Jonin would probably be fodderized simply against one of the edo kages, yet Hiruzen fought 2 and was considered miserable and pathetic!! And remember he fought the 2 kages while old, unprepared, and tired. Being old itself is a huge handicap when it restricts your chakra levels, your physical strength and speed at the same time to the level of a genin. Hiruzen had the chakra, strength and speed of a genin yet look how well he did against both kages! He doesn't have a gekkai genkai llike Onoki, nor is he a jinchuuriki but he's still a very great ninja even in his old, rusty state.
HIS NINJUTSU:: The third hokage has the greatest chakra control any ninja has ever showed. Despite having the chakra of a genin he utilized his chakra to use Shadow clone technique, a forbidden A rank technique that requires extreme chakra control, Dead Demon Consuming Seal, an S rank technique, Earth Release Shadow Clone, Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique, shadow shuriken technique, an A Rank technique, earth style wall, which creates a great defensive wall, Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet, Earth Release: Earth Flow River, fire release: fire dragon bullets, fire release: fire dragon flame bullet, which is a B Rank fire technique, and the only B Rank fire techniques are the most powerful b rank techniques. (e.g. kakuzus fire technique is b rank yet look how powerful it is. people seem to underestimate B Rank tecniques only because a rank is higher. but not even most jounin utilize b rank techniques. examples of B Rank techniques are 10,000 snake formation, water release: water shock wave etc.). This arsenal is incredible for someone who has the chakra of a genin, which proves how excellent his chakra control is using such powerful techniques with only the minimum chakra required to execute each technique. He is also a master at collaboration techniques when he combined Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet and fire release: fire dragon bullets which creates streams of lava that would pulverize any ninja except orochimaru. He mastered every technique in the leaf village, probably even the hiden techniques, the 8 gates, and rasengan probably. That's quite an arsenal if you ask me. The third didnt use his full arsenal because he detected that the edo kages can't be killed with flashy jutsus which is why he decided to seal them as fast as possible, which implies his intelligence.
TAIJUTSU: The third has a 5/5 in taijutsu in the latest databook something not even kakashi and itachi accomplished. He went toe to toe with both hokages in a taijutsu duel and easily repelled them. He fought both kages in taijutsu with sluggish speed and battled orochimaru with the kusanagi blade several times and almost won had it not been for the interference of both kages.
Intelligence: the third was very intelligent in battle. he blew up both kages' legs and was able to detect both kages under genjutsu. he realized that the edo tensei kages can't be killed and right away shifted to trying to seal them.
GENJUTSU: The databook gave him a 5/5 in that category so we can't argue.
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Ok just one quick question. How qualified do you think Iruka is to make statements about the first and second hokage's power levels. Do you think he's seen them in action? I dont think so.
meh kishi says alot of sht then goes back around and just like hey i know i said that earlier but now im changing my mind aka tobi and madara and whole rinnegan so for him to be the strongest eh i say hes up there but do you think he could have beat madara
I myself don't feel comfortable calling Hiruzen Sarutobi the strongest given the recent chapter releases showcasing just how incrdible Minato was, validating all the praise we heard prior. Then on top of that seeing just how incredibly powerful the Uchiha techniques & Sharingan can get and knowing that Madara reached all these levels and then some and still Hashirama Senju fought evenly with him & finally overcame him in their final battle...on top of that we know Hashirama could control all the tailed beast like pets; despite not knowing all of what he was like during battle since we never seen one of his battles, just knowing he kept up with Madara & has an ace like all the tailed beast up his sleeve is too much power to just say Hiruzen Sarutobi was the strongest.
Not knocking Sarutobi in the least. He was once known as the god of shinobi back in his prime. But that doesn't mean that there weren't other gods, and certainly from what I've seen of Minato; and knowing that Hashirama could toy with tailed beast is godly power in itself. Hashirama as great as he was I don't think was the clear cut strongest but amongst, if not equally as great as them.
But no doubt, Tsunade & Tobirama I would put as the bottom 2 of hokage...while placing the other three in a 3-way battle where you really can't lose with whomever you pick
Not knocking Sarutobi in the least. He was once known as the god of shinobi back in his prime. But that doesn't mean that there weren't other gods, and certainly from what I've seen of Minato; and knowing that Hashirama could toy with tailed beast is godly power in itself. Hashirama as great as he was I don't think was the clear cut strongest but amongst, if not equally as great as them.
But no doubt, Tsunade & Tobirama I would put as the bottom 2 of hokage...while placing the other three in a 3-way battle where you really can't lose with whomever you pick
Even if that statement is the least credible among the other facts listed above, the Third is still a very great ninja. maybe even if that statement is a little inaccurate the third was given the title of the god of shinobi and the proffesor, which says something. none of the other kages were given that title during their eras. even though its true that the 1st is probably stronger, the third is probably the second strongest hokage
