Hiruzen Sarutobi wa sthe strongest kage ever

[Protozoid]

No, you definitely tried to make the argument that Minato was stronger than Hiruzen. Quit going back on your statements, it makes you look weak.

Good job on doing your homework though.

Once again you fail to comprehend what's going on here. And weak? Don't get me started on that. Your brain is extremely feeble and what I said is breaking you down nerve by nerve. And you know exactly why it is - because I'm exposing you for the moron you really are.

My statement clearly means: I never said the fourth was stronger than the third, I just said the third isn't the strongest in my opinion.

Once again, you're proving to not have the knowledge nor intelligence you claim you have. All I see before me is a pretentious little moron that has terrible comprehension and reasoning skill.

 

[Protozoid]

I'm not frustrated at all. And the thread that got deleted here let me enlighten people real quick

It says in the Manga that Sarutobi was the strongest of all the Hokage. This statement was made after Minato had died. No one has ever stated anything to dispute this. Its pretty clear that you are the one being insensible by trying to claim that the manga is wrong because you don't agree with what is blatantly said. I am done talking to you. As I was before you started stalking me. Good day to you.

It doesn't say 'the third is the strongest', it says 'he was said to be the strongest'. You don't have a clue what's going on do you? Do you know the difference between these statements? It's doubtful at this point. The third is arguably one of the strongest, and I've insisted this repeatedly. However, my opinion of him not being the strongest still stands. Reason being is because you weren't able to stand your ground properly in that last thread. Just like you weren't able to do so in the 'Sasuke is Weak' thread.

 

[ninjastormgenaration33]

stfu,its Hashirama>Minato>Tobirama>Hiruzen

 

[siyo]

thats different

name 5 ninja that can def. kill the first hokage?

ive seen the first hokages jutsu. it brings fear. you cant stop him unless your someone close to madaras power. or narutos or sasukes.

plus kisame is slow. he doesnt have speed. he cant mess with a master of taijutsu that doesnt use much chakra

How is it different?.Ok let's us look at orochimaru.He was a genious and he rivaled hiruzen, when it comes to ninjutsu and kakashi nearly died from his presence, but he still got owned by itachi, because itachi's genjutsu was his weakness.

 

[lanakau888]

Wrong.The raikage never said that and if you look at the context he clearly meant speed,when he talked minato not being surpassed.Naruto surpassed minato before sage mode,but we all know that isn't true.

The interview was said to be fake.

My point exactly, so character statements do not hold as much meaning in naruto when compared to actual feats.

We see these actual feats of hashirama when he fights old sarutobi.
We see madara's EMS feats when he fights gaara and co.

Neither have shown anything impressive that places them in the top 10 or even stronger than what sarutobi or minato have shown.

 

[Capn FlapJak]

Nagato was revived, so he was an edo-zombie just like the first hokage.Nagato still toyed with bee and naruto and he actually looked stronger than he was alive.

i dont see how he toyed with em he was tryin to steal souls etc and he was stronger cause he was usein bodys but his own it makes everything faster 4 him no need to switch postions and wat not so ya i dont think thats as powerful as he could b anyway but yet again im a nagato fanboy

 

[Owarij]

stfu,its Hashirama>Minato>Tobirama>Hiruzen

hahahahahhhahahaha oh my


and the chapter is somewhere in the the 120-150's where kabuto said he was the strongest of the 5 kages

which shows he could beat -Oonoki, 4th Kazekage, third or fourth Raikage(idk which was raikage then), yagura

 

[Vroqrak]

hows my avatar?

 

[siyo]

lol i just went and reread the entire raikage vs minato fight, and didn't find it , so yea , which leaves the interview that i heard was fake, if i can find a link for it ><, the only hype i know that minato received, is "fastest person alive","strongest in konoha when orochimaru left"

Lol it was said,but as i said the raikage was referring to speed.

My point exactly, so character statements do not hold as much meaning in naruto when compared to actual feats.

We see these actual feats of hashirama when he fights old sarutobi.
We see madara's EMS feats when he fights gaara and co.

Neither have shown anything impressive that places them in the top 10.

yes, they do until proven otherwise(like with tobi).What i meant is you have to look at the context, and in that instant naruto surpassed minato,because minato never completed the rasengan.

 

[Capn FlapJak]

hows my avatar?

if u was going 4 creepy good job lol

 

[siyo]

It doesn't say 'the third is the strongest', it says 'he was said to be the strongest'. You don't have a clue what's going on do you? Do you know the difference between these statements? It's doubtful at this point. The third is arguably one of the strongest, and I've insisted this repeatedly. However, my opinion of him not being the strongest still stands. Reason being is because you weren't able to stand your ground properly in that last thread. Just like you weren't able to do so in the 'Sasuke is Weak' thread.

Obviously they talked in past tense, because he was way past his prime,and hiruzen even knocks iruka out, right after it was said.

stfu,its Hashirama>Minato>Tobirama>Hiruzen

Lmao.Try argue with kishi,I give you data you give me bs.

 

[ninjastormgenaration33]

Hiruzen can not beat Madara and we all know that

 

[ninjastormgenaration33]

Obviously they talked in past tense, because he was way past his prime,and hiruzen even knocks iruka out, right after it was said.



Lmao.Try argue with kishi,I give you data you give me bs.

Fake data so stfu

 

[Owarij]

Hiruzen can not beat Madara and we all know that

Hiruzen can beat madara, gaara and naruto easily owned Madara thus proving madara is just a ordinary kage level ninja who can be defeated by two other kage level ninja, Madara did not have rinnegan untill his deathbed, rinnegan madara however is a different case

 

[lanakau888]

Lol it was said,but as i said the raikage was referring to speed.




yes, they do until proven otherwise(like with tobi).What i meant is you have to look at the context, and in that instant naruto surpassed minato,because minato never completed the rasengan.

Okay so by your logic sarutobi is the strongest kage. Which means that wherever you put hashirama, you must place sarutobi even higher.

And he was not talking about minato's speed he was talking about minato as a shinobi.
This is evident since they go on to talk about how minato is the savior, not about how fast minato is.

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[ninjastormgenaration33]

Hiruzen can beat madara, gaara and naruto easily owned Madara thus proving madara is just a ordinary kage level ninja who can be defeated by two other kage level ninja, Madara did not have rinnegan untill his deathbed, rinnegan madara however is a different case

stfu your clearly A Madara or Uchiha hater.He still had his Sasuano not to mention he was fighting 3 Kage leveled ninjas(Garra,Naruto,Oonai).He just actvated his Rinnegan so he did't have to take the blow from Rasenshirken, instead of just getting hit from a Rasenshirken.Madara is on another level then Hiruzen.Hiruzen can't even beat Itachi ,Sasuke, or Minato,let alone beat Hashirama so please stfu.

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

but minato was not stated to be the strongest kage of his time like hiruzen was, so your speculating how good he was , when all we've seen was a incomplete a level rasengan, ftg,and some seals ,

people just like assuming minato was the strongest kage ever because we only ever see him in his "prime" before he died and the only one who ever made him sweat is tobi and even then he beats him and saves the village from the 9 tails, we have yet and probably never will see sarutobi at his prime

kages in hiruzen's time i think were, a , garras father,yagura as the mizukage(being controlled by tobi), oonoki would have been the tsuchikage but younger

if you mean 20ish years ago before minato was hokage then it would have been 3rd raikage, 3rd or 4th kazekage, yagura, middle age oonoki.

the first hokage was the greatest kage period. he kept up with madara(the one everybody is riding like that girl do^_^) and he has a kkg of earth and water which is wood and he also has fire.

and he was also able to control the bijuuu who else could do that?

we have not seen their final fight but they were rivals, madara didn't have rinnegan till right before he died so all the details are cloudy still. and hashirama doesn't have fire -_- so i hope you meant madara.

this thread is supper dupper FAIL!!!! its saddreally! i can tell you didnt read the manga... if you did you would see saru was getting owned the whole fight and stood no chance in hell winning! and oru was playing with him the whole time! they were standing around the most the time watching/letting saru and oru talk and have flash backs.

do you read the manga??? they didnt even show all there moves

hashi'- secret scrrolls he used against madara, didnt destroy that small roof they fought on, (he built the whole leaf village btw)

tobimaru- space time nin, edo tensei, and other feats he could of did.

you are a prime example of some one who uses emotions to base there opinion off of instead of the manga.. sad..

i agree sarutobi is a beast! but only a noob will base there true powers (all 3 hokages) off that pathetic fight! dont be a noob siyo... i know your better then that bruh..

compared to shippuden nothing from the original naruto is powerful, and still want to see the 3rd and 4th compared in their primes not just that fight and all of minato's prime feats (stoping the 9tails and hitting tobi, FTG owning A+B) and besides the fact that the hokages were not even 1% of the hype they got/get the 3rd did still blow them up, find them through infinite darkness and seal both of them and oro's hands. Obviously you can't judge his power when he has what, 25-45% of his chakra (guessing, based on enma and the anbu and oro's comments about his chakra levels and fighting being totally different) and decades out of practice (and 2-3 times older then the 1st,2nd or 4th hokages were when they died)

thats different

name 5 ninja that can def. kill the first hokage?

ive seen the first hokages jutsu. it brings fear. you cant stop him unless your someone close to madaras power. or narutos or sasukes.

plus kisame is slow. he doesnt have speed. he cant mess with a master of taijutsu that doesnt use much chakra

Naruto,Sasuke, Tobi could probably suck him up in his eye or worse now that he has 6 paths, Nagato, Minato (i'd say hiruzen but we don't know his prime abilities so either way)

Kisame got overpowered not out ran...well actually he got tricked because he thought afternoon tiger was made of chakra and it wasn't, but his 30% clone got killed by morning peacock as well so really it was a fact of with 6-7 gates open Gai is OP and kisame is screwed since he eats chakra and uses water, both useless vs EIGs.

Nagato was revived, so he was an edo-zombie just like the first hokage.Nagato still toyed with bee and naruto and he actually looked stronger than he was alive.

Kabuto's edos are perfected versions of oro's edos though, and oro's are improved versions of tobirama's. so you can't compare anyone summoned in the war to the 1st and 2nd hokage's edos since they are improved upon by kabuto, he even managed to "improve" madara's prime apperently.

stfu,its Hashirama>Minato>Tobirama>Hiruzen

by fanbase maybe, by hype its
Hiruzen > or equal to Minato>Hashirama>Tobirama

personally i think the 1st 3rd and 4th are about even between feats/hype and tobirama is all hype and his only feat is greatest water user

 

[lanakau888]

stfu your clearly A Madara or Uchiha hater.He still had his Sasuano not to mention he was fighting 3 Kage leveled ninjas(Garra,Naruto,Oonai).He just actvated his Rinnegan so he did't have to take the blow from instead of just getting hit from a Rasenshirken.Madara is on another level then Hiruzen.Hiruzen can't even beat Itachi ,Sasuke, or Minato,let alone beat Hashirama so please stfu.

Actually the guy was right. The third raikage can't tank a rasenshuriken without his armor, and there is no way madara's body is nearly as tough as his. EMS madara had been given feats in this last chapter and his feats clearly put him on a level in which he gets beat by gaara and co.

Saying EMS Madara is on a whole nother level without any feats/proof to back it up then that is called fanboyism.

 

[siyo]

Fake data so stfu

How is the data from kishi wrong? :shrug: lol try again....

hahahahahhhahahaha oh my


and the chapter is somewhere in the the 120-150's where kabuto said he was the strongest of the 5 kages

which shows he could beat -Oonoki, 4th Kazekage, third or fourth Raikage(idk which was raikage then), yagura

Exactly,this war shows us how powerful he was when we watch the feats from the other kages presented to us.

 

[ninjastormgenaration33]

Actually the guy was right. The third raikage can't tank a rasenshuriken without his armor, and there is no way madara's body is nearly as tough as his. EMS madara had been given feats in this last chapter and his feats clearly put him on a level in which he gets beat by gaara and co.

Saying EMS Madara is on a whole nother level without any feats/proof to back it up then that is called fanboyism.

EMS+Rinnegan=Hiruzen's death again.He's no match