Hiruzen Sarutobi: "The GOD of shinobi" arguments

who is stronger

  • Hiruzen (3rd Hokage)

    Votes: 239 33.8%
  • Hashirama (1st Hokage)

    Votes: 469 66.2%

  • Total voters
    708
  • Poll closed .

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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

What you said only makes Hashirama looks stronger.
Sarutobi when saw Kurama told everyone to wait for Minato... If he was such a strong old man as you say then he would be useful helping Minato handling Kurama and maybe, just maybe Naruto would have his parents alive...
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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

What you said only makes Hashirama looks stronger.
Sarutobi when saw Kurama told everyone to wait for Minato... If he was such a strong old man as you say then he would be useful helping Minato handling Kurama and maybe, just maybe Naruto would have his parents alive...
Umm im pretty sure he didnt just tell everyone to wait for minato because if he did the village would be destroyed and minato wanted to face kurama himself
 

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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

By reading the quality of your post, you are like a cave man with a club proving a point.

Yes, you might be a Manga geek, but you have to improve your reading comprehension, if that is, you understand what I'm saying. Yet again, don't get me wrong, I'm not insulting or mocking you intellectual capacity. Just saying that you're not good as you think.

Looking back at your post, it's loaded with incosistency and fallacies at the highest degree. I took the liberty to bold the sentences for you and rest of the members to see. Here are the following:

1.) It's stated that in the previous manga chapters that the 5 kages are nowhere in near the power of both hashirama and madara.

Now, you're talking about what Madara said about the strength of the current 5 kages compared to Hashirama. The comparison wasn't meant for Hiruzen. So this statement is invalid to evaluate the status quo "Hashirama - Hiruzen" comparison.

2.) It doesn't matter that he knows a ton of jutsu but do you think that he can use that all at hashirama? Probably all hokages after the invention of edo tensei knows how to disable it.

Let me cite one example; in Economics, a person with $100.00 has a greater purchasing power than a person with $1.00. In shinobi terms, the more jutsu who have learn the better. This applies to Hiruzen and his 1000 jutsus, if you know logic, Hiruzen for sure have mastered a Kage Level Medical and Healing Jutsu. Asking for proof about this is like asking me to open up your skull to see your brain.

All the Hokages who's knew how to diffuse the EDO Tensei..I think not. Most of the people, not only the Hokages, heard the story of this jutsu..nothing more.

3.) That's the point, no one attacked konoha because of the war! you should really know what you are saying my friend. They obeyed hiruzen because he was a hokage for damn sake! Use your common sense dude.

Nobody attacked Konoha because of the war... HELLO!!
Danzo simply obeyed Hiruzen because he was the Hokage... HELLO!!


All these boils down into one conclusion, Hiruzen Sarutobi is crazy strong.
Knowing more jutsu means nothing. Naruto knows all of 2 jutsu, and he's one of the strongest in the world, while kakashi, who's copied over 1000 (hmm, same as hiruzen right??) is nowhere near either of their levels.
 

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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

Umm im pretty sure he didnt just tell everyone to wait for minato because if he did the village would be destroyed and minato wanted to face kurama himself
^This. Plus hiruzen didn't know the situation at all. Tactically the best move was to wait for Minato to show up because he's the only one who knows at all what's going on.
 

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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

When i read things about Hiruzen it usually refers he was strongest hokage ever seen when he was in his prime o_O and since we only have peoples word to go by it's hard to see how hiruzen can be a god of shinobi. Cause when we see hashirama we see him at his youthful prime i'm sure if we were to get a glimps of hiruzen at the same age we see that hashirama is it would be a dif story. we only have oldman hiruzen to compare to Young hashirama or late 30's hashi idk .
 

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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

Knowing more jutsu means nothing. Naruto knows all of 2 jutsu, and he's one of the strongest in the world, while kakashi, who's copied over 1000 (hmm, same as hiruzen right??) is nowhere near either of their levels.
I prefer not to drag Naruto's stench on this thread...

However, you can't just discredit Kakashi being famous as "The Copy Ninja". Not all can copy, learn and master a 1000 jutsu. Saying it means nothing to you, indicates that you're speaking out of ignorance.

Yet again, Hiruzen is an exemptional Shinobi.. he knows 1000 jutsu not because he has sharingan, but it's because he's a genius. I suggest you revisit "The Hokage Battle"..just to refresh your memory.
 

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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

Yup Hiruzen. If you think about it, Hiruzen would beat Hashi in a fight. Hashi is my third favorite character and Hiruzen is my fourth but His abilities are all around better.
 

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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

look!! without his wood style jutsu hashirama wouldnt be so strong. so if hashirama is stronger than its only because of his wood style jutsu.
 
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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

love how you left out the sentence below that. the story in part 2 is way more developed than part 1. the story is thought out more unlike part 1 where most things werent set in stone yet. from what we have seen and what has been said hashirama is obviously stronger.
Yet part 1 is still better. Hashirama>sarutobi, orochimaru>sarutobi
 

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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

i dont understand orochimaru beat hiruzen easily so how could he be better then hashrama the real god of shinobi
 

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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

Hiruzen cannot be the strongest...you always quote orochimaru saying that he can use every jutsu of konoha, and narutopedia where it"s stated that he was the god of shinobi ... but: later in the manga its also said by kabuto that hashirama was the no 1 ninja of all time , and : hiruzen couldn't use all jutsus because that would mean that he had all 5 chakra natures but he had only fire and earth releases (according to narutopedia and anime) besides he had no kekkei genkai or dojutsu, nor could he use sage mode etc...so i think he just knew every jutsu because he was the Professor...and one more thing: in the beginning of naruto when Oro was the main villain the 3rd said even he couldn't beat him and anko said she wished the 4th was alive...When Hiruzen fought against edo tensei 1st and 2nd they didn't use full power, Nidaime didn't use space-time ninjutsu and Shodai for example the kajukai korin which later knocked out all 5 kages when madara used that... and my favourite: when the kyuubi attacked the village in the anime the 3rd sent a lot of people against the 9tails who then died just to buy some time for sarutobi to summon enma and then he proudly proclaimed that he has chased it off the village - yeah,probably through a lot of houses and people...and than they were waiting for the fourth... and than he was only 55...So i think this debate is useless...
 
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