Hiruzen Not Stronger Than Minato

[SasukeXbam]

Im with u ^^ but minato in my opinion

 

[mintoandkushina]

Another minato and hiruzen thread. Wow! Let me be simple. Minato had the potential to be the best but never did because he died. Safe to say minato wasn't in his prime. Stop this. Its ridiculous. We never saw neither minato or hiruzen in their prime so this debate is worthless. Just stop. Stop. God please. Stop. Its worst than a sasuke defects everybody thread

This. Minato had the potential, but we just can't compare! Please understand!

 

[ItachiSan03]

Another minato and hiruzen thread. Wow! Let me be simple. Minato had the potential to be the best but never did because he died. Safe to say minato wasn't in his prime. Stop this. Its ridiculous. We never saw neither minato or hiruzen in their prime so this debate is worthless. Just stop. Stop. God please. Stop. Its worst than a sasuke defects everybody thread

Yes! +rep

 

[blackstar9]

We have never seen Hiruzen in his prime!!!! Its hard to compare an old hiruzen to a young Minato.We dont know much about his different jutsu . It was said he knew every jutsu in the leaf! Was called god of shinobi, and has been called strongest hokage.Im not saying hiruzen over minato , just saying we dont know enough to make a fair comparison.As for tobi and 9 tails Hiruzen passed the torch to minato because he was old. We dont know how a young Hiruzen would have handled that situation with Tobi . Its reasonable to think Hiruzen was alot stronger in his prime!

 

[Pravin5]

Either Minato > Prime hiruzen.
Or
Minato = Prime Hiruzen.

 

[Volcanikage]

I believe the During tobi attack hiruzen just couldnt do all the job he was retired, why do a hokages job when his no the hokage anymore?

There equal in power all those technique show by minato were learn because of 2 hokage and his wife and hiruzen wife is too from the Uzumaki clan reason why he may know alot of sealing jutsus

Not only that you cant compared prime hiruzen with anyone we dont know what was he capable of ONLY what manga state and really i havent seeing no one make the rock from the ground shake and float like hiruzen vs oro fight

 

[Naruto9001]

For the people who think Hiruzen is stronger than Minato?

1: Becoming Hokage means you're the strongest Shinobi in the Village ok so that means Minato obviously is stronger than Hiruzen. Well According to wiki when Naruto part 1 Naruto was 12 years old meaning Fox attacked 12 years ago in Naruto part 1 and so meaning Hiruzen died at age 68. 68-12=56 Meaning when Fox attacked, Hiruzen was 56. So I'm sure Hiruzen was in his 50's when Minato became Hokage. Not his Prime but Im sure Minato would defeat Hiruzen Prime but I don't know just my opinion.

2: Even in his prime Hiruzen wouldn't of done a good job as Minato protecting the village against the Tailed Beast Bomb let alone the Kyuubi as seen in this picture. He teleported the Bomb and the Kyuubi.

3: Fighting Tobi and the Kyuubi, Hiruzen prime or at his old age wouldn't of beat Tobi because he doesn't have FTG which he put a mark on Tobi and hit him and I don't think Tobi would let 3rd Hokage seal the 9 Tails with Tobi just standing there. No wonder they call Minato the Yellow Flash he beat Tobi 1st then proceeded to seal the 9 tails. How can Hiruzen beat a spacetime jutsu user if he doesn't have any? Tobi everything passes through him.

I know he had help from Kushina when sealing the Kyuubi.

Teleporting Bomb

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Beating Tobi

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Diffusing another Biju Bomb heading for Hiruzen =p

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Spoke my mind I am so sorry if i offended Hiruzen fans I just spoke my mind on this topic. I personally think Minato protected the village way better than Hiruzen or his prime could and is stronger than Hiruzen prime. Please tell me what you guys think. Nice words please. =)

Most of your argument is how Minato did aganist other oppenents that dosen't have anything to do on how he beats Hiruzen people match up aganist others differently.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

I stopped reading here. At point number 1. :sy:

1: Becoming Hokage means you're the strongest Shinobi in the Village ok so that means Minato obviously is stronger than Hiruzen.

Tsunade was weaker than Jiraiya; others.

Oh and this.

So much wrong with this, I don't know where to begin.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Being Hokage doesnt mean your the strongest
If thats then Tobirama>Hashirama
And Tsunade>Jiraiya and we how Jiraiya turned the proposal down

 

[soulreaper11]

hiruzen >minato
live with it
:scorps:

 

[Multiply]

Tbh, speed alone gives minato the upper hand in 9/10 fights. The 1 being A. There really isn't a defense to someone stabbing you from behind before you being able to wiggle your finger. Tbh the fight could go either way. Considering they're both in prime(minato hasn't reached his), I'd give Minato the upper hand. Not only because of his speed, but because he is very intelligent. He figured out who his opponent was(to be determined), his techniques, and how to defeat him. Within a time range of about 25-30 seconds. Minato has a good chance to win, but like i said, the fight could go either way.

 

[Owarij]

I'm here to learn more about Naruto base helps me see more. Thank you for replying like that and not with a stupid picture or trolling. Tell me why and whats wrong with this I like to debate and want to learn from my mistakes.

At least you're not a pure troll, You admit you want to learn from mistakes..
Firstly it's ok to have an opinion that Minato> hiruzen,
But the logic you used to present your information is messed up...

Firstly you should realize, You can't beat the kyuubi in a 1v1 fight without either
1) Having an ability to suppress it
2)Being a master of seals
3)Sharingan to control it...

Without these things.. beating the kyuubi with sheer power, is almost impossible unless you're the so6p or some full powered nagato...

Even the tank third raikage can only tie with the 8 tails.. and the 8 tails isn't even comparable to the 9..

My point is simple... Minato was just the perfect person to fight kyuubi because of his unique set of abilities.. He has his space time barrier allowing him to redirect the kyuubi's attacks.. and he has sealing jutsu to handle the kyuuubi itself...

But using the logic that, just because hiruzen may not be able to counter kyuubi's abilities, means he can't beat minato is horrible logic.. and that's a major part of where you went wrong..


When Minato was talked about by Jiraya and Tsunade, they went into detail on how he was a genius etc... but the key part to that entire convo, was when they both agreed that minato had the TALENT to become the strongest ninja ever, But he died before he could ever live up to that....

In any case I suggest you read this, and some other threads people have made about hiruzen, and come to a complete logical decision by yourself

Remember your decision is your own, You aren't wrong ...unless you pick tsunade U_U

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[Icelerate]

I like to look at it a bit differently:

The fastest is Minato
The most versatile is Hiruzen
The one with the most sheer power is Hashirama
The best for support is Tsuande.
The best for some suiton is Tobirama.

The data book gave Hiruzen a measly 3 in speed which is comparable speed to Sakura, Tenten, Gaara and/or Temari which means old Hiruzen would get fodderized by Minato in a flash. Prime Hiruzen is difficult to evaluate because I can't tell how fast he would be.

When Itachi and Kimmimaro were near death, they were still much faster than the above examples I gave. For this reason I don't think prime Hiruzen would be fast enough to react. Saying this, however, if Hiruzen can open those celestial gates for an extended period of time than he should be able to beat Minato. If he has wind style he can just blow away the kunai.

I'll give the fight to prime Hiruzen because FTG is not impossible to counter and Hiruzen is known for having many jutsus up his sleeve.

 

[Multiply]

I like to look at it a bit differently:

The fastest is Minato
The most versatile is Hiruzen
The one with the most sheer power is Hashirama
The best for support is Tsuande.
The best for some suiton is Tobirama.

The data book gave Hiruzen a measly 3 in speed which is comparable speed to Sakura, Tenten, Gaara and/or Temari which means old Hiruzen would get fodderized by Minato in a flash. Prime Hiruzen is difficult to evaluate because I can't tell how fast he would be.

When Itachi and Kimmimaro were near death, they were still much faster than the above examples I gave. For this reason I don't think prime Hiruzen would be fast enough to react. Saying this, however, if Hiruzen can open those celestial gates for an extended period of time than he should be able to beat Minato. If he has wind style he can just blow away the kunai.

I'll give the fight to prime Hiruzen because FTG is not impossible to counter and Hiruzen is known for having many jutsus up his sleeve.

You're forgetting, Minato only has to tap you to place a seal on you.
As seen here:

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Minato can easily distract Hiruzen, and has the base speed to quickly follow up that distraction. :shrug:

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Oh lord, this is not going to end well

All I'm going to say is that Kabuto and Iruka both said that Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage. The manga>your opinion. I don't care if it was 8-10 years ago

Also the databooks say that Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage, databooks>your opinion. I don't care that we haven't had a databook in four years now

Remember kabuto said strongest out of the current kages and the databook said he was "called". Just so you don't confuse the OP

 

[Stark]

Until we see Prime Hiruzen which we probably won't, we can't put them together.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Actually no. Iruka was merely recalling the opinion of a large amount of people. It claimed;

"He was said to be....."

Note: He was said. Not "I think Hiruzen was.....".

True but we can't confirm those fodders, I mean villagers, I mean people.

 

[Multiply]

True but we can't confirm those fodders, I mean villagers, I mean people.

xd

 

[Prime Rib]

sorry but the 3rd is still consider the strongest hokage

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

sorry but the 3rd is still consider the strongest hokage

Who said this and I want actual proof just tell me the name of the person or people who said. Hiruzen you are the strongest hokage. Im waiting.