Hiruzen is the strongest Kage to exist thus far

[yuan of cruxis]

Do you know what? Who cares! You have already proven my point. You call him the best golfer, but somebody has done something better than him. Something beyond him. That other guy has just as much a claim to the "best golfer ever" title as well. Even though the majority of people call Tiger the strongest, he might not be, people just CALL him that. So my point is proven by you, who are trying to disprove me. Thank you.

You didnt respond to what i said on whether Tiger Woods was in the tournaments he won.
guess not

Thats the same as Hashirama being the best in his era

 

[yuan of cruxis]

he done research on hashiramas powers so kabuto knows what he is talking about unlike iruka and people from orochimaru, jiraiya and tsunades generation.

Does the manga say he knows more than any of the sannin or Iruka?
All are older than him also

You just made that up that he knows more, cause i never seen that stated by no one in the manga
Your the only person to come to this conclusion and your not even in the manga

 

[TheSages456]

How does Kabuto know that?
He hasnt even fought hardly anyone let alone Hashirama

Soooo your assuming they could fodderize hiruzen, hmm ok:sy:

ok so you are saying hiruzen>kcm naruto, rinnegan tobi, madara, edo nagato etc. alright i think we are done here.

 

[FizzyDrink]

You didnt respond to what i said on whether Tiger Woods was in the tournaments he won.
guess not

Thats the same as Hashirama being the best in his era

Ummmm, you still don't understand, do you? Well, how about another example. This time in...American football.

Many people say that Peyton Manning is the best quarterback ever. Many people say Tom Brady is the best quarterback ever. Many say some other quarterbacks like Dan Marino or Joe Montana are the best quarterbacks ever. Many of those, such as the first two, are from the exact same era, having played against each other. That is the same thing. People SAY one thing, but does that make them right, or 100% dependable? No. So you are wrong. Face it.

 

[TheSages456]

Does the manga say he knows more than any of the sannin or Iruka?
All are older than him also

You just made that up that he knows more, cause i never seen that stated by no one in the manga
Your the only person to come to this conclusion and your not even in the manga

he has actually done research on hashiramas powers and studied his cells or whatever. orochimaru has done research on hashiramas cells with kabuto and they know more about shodai than random people from the sannins generation.

 

[Netsui]

Can't anyone shut me up?

Not sure if it was real or not, but someone gave you a link to an interview with Kishi and SJ. That should have been enough if it was real.

And guys, this is just turning into another Hiruzen-Hashirama thread. Hiruzen was strong, and Hashirama was strong. We barely seen Hashirama, and we haven't seen Hiruzen prime. Can't we just let it go?

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

They ride the Hashirama hype but disregard Hiruzen's. It makes little to no sense.

I don't give a shit about hashi, I can just use my brain and realise hashi and madara are in a different league from other shinobi and kages. As madara has stated anyway.

But lemme not use my common sense and use hiruzen fan logic hiruzen was called god of shinobi so he is he is above hashi rinnegan madara and is next to the sage of six paths :rofl: _O-

God of shinobi and your hiruzen fans can't realise this is a false title I am even un sure to compare hiruzen to oonki and 3rd raikage but wait god of shinobi I forgot

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Not sure if it was real or not, but someone gave you a link to an interview with Kishi and SJ. That should have been enough if it was real.

And guys, this is just turning into another Hiruzen-Hashirama thread. Hiruzen was strong, and Hashirama was strong. We barely seen Hashirama, and we haven't seen Hiruzen prime. Can't we just let it go? :\

No because kishi does this thing were he makes real rivals around the same level sasuke naruto, hashi madara, kakashi gai. And from this no one is no where nearrrrrrrrrrrr madara but if he says hashi is :shrug: I have to believe him
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Hiruzen > hashi, rinnegan madara,tobirama,kabuto, tobi,oonki,3rd raikage,the list goes on

No hiruzen fan should even argue against me if you dare you contrdict your self because that would me hey ok maybe what he was known as doesn't actually mean he was.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

ok so you are saying hiruzen>kcm naruto, rinnegan tobi, madara, edo nagato etc. alright i think we are done here.

Well they have nothing to do with Kages or Hokages, but old Hiruzen>Km Naruto xd

And he could he beat the others most likely

 

[TheSages456]

Well they have nothing to do with Kages or Hokages, but old Hiruzen>Km Naruto xd

And he could he beat the others most likely

every major character from the war arc is stronger than hiruzen.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Ummmm, you still don't understand, do you? Well, how about another example. This time in...American football.

Many people say that Peyton Manning is the best quarterback ever. Many people say Tom Brady is the best quarterback ever. Many say some other quarterbacks like Dan Marino or Joe Montana are the best quarterbacks ever. Many of those, such as the first two, are from the exact same era, having played against each other. That is the same thing. People SAY one thing, but does that make them right, or 100% dependable? No. So you are wrong. Face it.

Well this is basically a opinion, cause someone like these guys could have a bad day or injured
Theres plenty of things that can hold them back also
Good days bad days

But keep in mind this is a manga

 

[KingHashirama]

people who wrote Hate comments just made themselves look like idiots.. x-x

 

[Netsui]

I don't give a shit about hashi, I can just use my brain and realise hashi and madara are in a different league from other shinobi and kages. As madara has stated anyway.

But lemme not use my common sense and use hiruzen fan logic hiruzen was called god of shinobi so he is he is above hashi rinnegan madara and is next to the sage of six paths :rofl: _O-

God of shinobi and your hiruzen fans can't realise this is a false title I am even un sure to compare hiruzen to oonki and 3rd raikage but wait god of shinobi I forgot

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No because kishi does this thing were he makes real rivals around the same level sasuke naruto, hashi madara, kakashi gai. And from this no one is no where nearrrrrrrrrrrr madara but if he says hashi is :shrug: I have to believe him

I think we should just let it go.

The people who say Hiruzen > Hashirama are not saying Hiruzen > Madara. A>B>C logic doesn't always work in Naruto.

We haven't seen Prime Hiruzen, who is stronger than the Hiruzen we saw fight against Orochimaru, and we haven't seen Hashirama use his powers fully under his control.

There are logical reasoning on both sides, but it just causes flame threads. I'm only saying this because I don't think this was meant to be a Hiruzen-Hashirama thread.

And for your reasoning with "was called." I really wouldn't use that to argue because if he was called, then was mean in the past there was a present tense when it was used. You expect people to show you the manga scan of where it stated that, but we haven't seen Prime Hiruzen, so it's hard not to show you a scan unless it said he "was called."

 

[yuan of cruxis]

I don't give a shit about hashi, I can just use my brain and realise hashi and madara are in a different league from other shinobi and kages. As madara has stated anyway.

But lemme not use my common sense and use hiruzen fan logic hiruzen was called god of shinobi so he is he is above hashi rinnegan madara and is next to the sage of six paths :rofl: _O-

God of shinobi and your hiruzen fans can't realise this is a false title I am even un sure to compare hiruzen to oonki and 3rd raikage but wait god of shinobi I forgot

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No because kishi does this thing were he makes real rivals around the same level sasuke naruto, hashi madara, kakashi gai. And from this no one is no where nearrrrrrrrrrrr madara but if he says hashi is :shrug: I have to believe him
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Hiruzen > hashi, rinnegan madara,tobirama,kabuto, tobi,oonki,3rd raikage,the list goes on

No hiruzen fan should even argue against me if you dare you contrdict your self because that would me hey ok maybe what he was known as doesn't actually mean he was.

I never used Hiruzens God of shinobi hype yet
But you keep using Madaras hype towards Hashirama

In the databook itself it says that Hiruzen is strongest of the Kage of his era and strongest Hokage

How can you a mere fan proved databook wrong
You must be Kishis broxd

 

[yuan of cruxis]

every major character from the war arc is stronger than hiruzen.

xd this shows that you lost this battle

 

[FizzyDrink]

Well this is basically a opinion, cause someone like these guys could have a bad day or injured
Theres plenty of things that can hold them back also
Good days bad days

But keep in mind this is a manga

None of what you said matters whatsoever to my argument. Except the first sentence, which, once again, aids it.

The fact that this is a manga doesn't change that Hiruzen BEING CALLED the best doesn't make him so. As you said, it's an OPINION. So he might be! But he also might not be. Either way, nobody can say with 100% certainty that he is. So everyone should stop pretending like they know something for sure when it's based off of an opinion.

 

[Blaze Release]

Gawd people on this site are ridiculous. Nobody has denied what the manga said when it proclaimed the 3rd kazekage as the strongest kazekage;

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In this same manga that we both read it was said that Hiruzen the 3rd hokage was the strongest;

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Why do you deny Hiruzen this yet nobody challenges the 3rd kazekage's statement. STFU already. Btw Both hiruzen and hashirama fanbase also need to stfu. Just because hiruzen was said to be the strongest hokage, doesnt necessarily mean that hiruzen > hashirama. There is more to victory than just power

 

[siyo]

Well, blaze already shut this discussion down with that scan.Come back when anybody can refute it.

 

[TheSages456]

xd this shows that you lost this battle

which of the major war characters can hiruzen beat?

 

[Owarij]

they can't ^, sigh, No idea why people think they know better than manga chars themselves

 

[TheSages456]

Gawd people on this site are ridiculous. Nobody has denied what the manga said when it proclaimed the 3rd kazekage as the strongest kazekage;

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In this same manga that we both read it was said that Hiruzen the 3rd hokage was the strongest;

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Why do you deny Hiruzen this yet nobody challenges the 3rd kazekage's statement. STFU already. Btw Both hiruzen and hashirama fanbase also need to stfu. Just because hiruzen was said to be the strongest hokage, doesnt necessarily mean that hiruzen > hashirama. There is more to victory than just power

the 3rd kazekages hype has never been contradicted.