Hiruzen is the strongest Kage to exist thus far

[MickNerks]

(prime) hiruzen is the strongest.. how do i know because in the world of naruto thats what they believe.. they said hash was the strongest of his time and hiruzen was strongest hokage to ever live.. If the people in the narutoverse believe it.. why shouldnt we.

 

[Ryuu..]

If you've said Hiruzen is weak at any point then don't expect me, or any one else, to take you seriously.

 

[SilverSlick]

Stuuuuuuupid. 2nd hokage rapes him.

THANK YOU for bringing up my favorite Hokage. Tobirama, the best around!

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Where did kishi or anyone say hiruzen is the strongest and I don't want was called go on show me one page or scan because I have seen one powerful person say things like "hashi is the only one" and "hashi can do this or that" but show me one powerful person or someone half decent who said hiruzen is. I repeat IS not was called.

Hiruzen is not as strong as fan boys say he is "god of shinobi" yh right so he's on the sage of six paths level yh? rinnegan madara can't even stop him yh?

Note: This is not a post about Hashirama>Hiruzen but is simply a thread about hiruzen and how strong hiruzen fans say he is. So I am talking about his "god of shinobi quote" is obviously wrong because well.. madara rinnegan (not edo) as well as other things.

Oro = Orochimaru
Hashi = Hashirama
Tobi = Tobirama
Masked tobi is not mentioned in this thread so no confusion.

About a few weeks ago I made a thread and I asked “Who said hiruzen is the strongest” Someone replied the author in the databooks. I was then laughed that and abused by hiruzen fans saying haha you can’t argue with what kishi says.

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Don't believe me then go to post #491 on this page.

Then some wise guy posted the quotes from the data book then once again I was laughed at an abused lol

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Page 117: "He is such a genius ninja that he was even called the 'Professor', and he still garners everyone's respect as the strongest Hokage in history." (「„プロフェッサー”と呼ばれたほ� �� �� ��天才忍者であり、歴代最強の影 として皆の尊敬を集め続ける。」, "'Purofessā' to yobareta hodo no tensai ninja de ari, rekidai saikyō no Hokage toshite mina no sonkei o atsume tsuzukeru")

Page 119: "'Strongest in history', 'genius', et cetera, the words used to describe the Third Hokage." (「„歴代最強”„天才”など、三代� �� �� �� �� �� ��火影を形容する言葉は賞賛に満�� �� �� �� � �て いる。」, "'Rekidai saikyō' 'tensai' nado, Sandaime Hokage o keiyōsuru kotoba wa shōsan ni michite iru.")

Page 265: "The Third is called the strongest, even among the past Hokage, and he is even admired as the 'God of Shinobi'." (「三代目は歴代火影の中でも最強と� �� �� �� �� �� ��われ、„忍の神”と謳われたこ�� �� �� �� � �も 。」, "Sandaime wa rekidai Hokage no naka demo saikyō to iware, 'Shinobi no Kami' to utawareta koto mo")

However this was his mistake I read the quotes from the data book very carefully and it said he was called all these things and it was never stated by kishi himself that he was.
So this is how I proved them wrong that kishi did not directly say that hiruzen was the strongest himself but said that he was called. No one made an argument against this all was fine for about an hour and (then guys you’re going to love this). All the hiruzen fans changed their argument to “orochimaru, kabuto and many others said this..”
So I re-read all of these scenes again and found out the hiruzen fans made the same mistake as they did with kishi, orochimaru never said he was any of these things but said he was “called” (Do really want scans go look yourself)

Kabuto never said he was the greatest hokage but said he was the greatest kage of his generation.(go look yourself hiruzen fans)
So that leaves the many others, you’re gonna love this guys the others which they have talked about were Iruka and Ebisu. The fodderest fodders around. Elders didn’t even mention any of these things that was made up by a (not all just one)hiruzen fan.

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All the hiruzen fans use to use that kishi himself as well as oro and kabuto said all these things always used this against everyone on NB saying if you argue with this you argue with the manga. These were all false statements yet they continue to use this util I proved them wrong.

All was good they had realise their mistakes but your gonna love this guys they changed and I repeat changed their argument to say that hiruzen beat oro, hashi and tobi at old age so it is obvious he is the strongest.
Yet they fail to realise the following:

Hashi and tobi were mindless killing machines they did not have their own personalities and did not fight how they would if they were in control of their own bodies all they did was charge, attack and counter.
Another thing they didn’t realise oro was in control of their bodies oro did not know what they (mainly hashi) was truly capable of. This is why when kabuto revived madara after altering his body he left madara to be in control of his body (correcting the mistake oro did) and said something like “now I can finally witness a fragment of the so6p’s power”. Kabuto did not know what madara could do but he knew madara would be on his side anyway so he could leave him to do what he was truly capable of something oro could not because hashi and tobi would not fight hiruzen if he didn’t turn them to mindless killing machines.

Hiruzen did not win this battle in any way, hashi increased his mokuton to the size of the barrier they were locked in. (notice mindless hashi couldn’t use his landscape changing abilities they were locked in a small area, also oro was in control and turned him into mindless zombie.)

Hiruzen realised there is no way he is going to win this battle so his only hope to protect the village was to give his life using RDS because there was no hope of him winning.

It doesn’t end there he couldn’t even beat his student, why? Because oro stabbed a sword through his chest preventing him from sealing him completely

Yes hiruzen stood his ground but he is hokage for a reason.
Hiruzen fans have changed their reason for saying he is the strongest so many times and I have proven them all wrong.

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When I ask hiruzen fans, ok he was called god of shinobi right? So that means he is stronger then madara rinnegan (not edo) I have not got one reply to this. You know why because this is when hiruzen fans realise ok I guess he wasn’t literally god of shinobi it was just a title given to him by people who admired him.

You know why they can’t reply because kishi has revealed what madara can do and this landscape changing abilities that he said hashi and him both had. Before madara was summoned my muu they probably would of made the argument that hiruzen is up to his level so I am so happy kishi has shown them what these landscape changing abilities can be like because now all they can do is be silent.

Bascially hiruzen fans are like the fodders they do not believe in hashi’s strength they think it is a fairy tale. Well I tell you kishi is not making madara say all these things for no reason.

Note: This is not a thread about Hashi>hiruzen about about how strong hiruzen fanboys say he is.

Why was you all using "god of shinobi" against hashi but when I mention madara I hear silence when madara has stated now they are both on the same level of landscape changing abilities.

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Read this bloody page most of this generation don't even know who the hell these bloody people are talk about their strength so how can they call hiruzen the best when they havent even seen hashi used your brains hiruzen fans and look at how edo madara talks about hashi

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^^ even these 3 kids don't know everything about hashi he died when they where young, use your brain hiruzen fans. How the hell would this generation know about hashi of course they would believe hiruzen is the strongest all they have heard is stories. If they believe those stories is up to them obviously they didn't which is why he is known as a fairy tail

Ok you have pissed me off now where the **** did I mention kabuto I am listen to ****ing madara what the **** does kabuto ****ing no about hashi. Don't ever put words in my ****ing mouth again. (I did not swear at you once.)

No it was not show me where.

/Thread, and good day.

If you want to reply to someone reply to me.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Ok you have pissed me off now where the **** did I mention kabuto I am listen to ****ing madara what the **** does kabuto ****ing no about hashi. Don't ever put words in my ****ing mouth again. (I did not swear at you once.)

You said it in another thread before.
Lol pass coming back to hunt ya

And what does madara know about Hiruzen?
He never even mentioned him, from what i notice Madara never came back to the leaf again after there final battle and considering he died also

Madara also never called Hashirama a fairy tale

 

[Owarij]

No it was not show me where.

Show me where what? wtf are you asking?

Go look for the manga scans where kabuto and orochimaru comment on what he was called in the past..

So6p was called god of shinobi, so was hiruzen
Hashirama was called the strongest of his time
So was hiruzen


Third kazekage was called the strongest kazekage
So was hiruzen *

I have no intention of arguing with what was put in the manga.. You don't know what he was capable of..

And for people to see him fight, and give him a title , the same title as the rikkudo sennin... Once again , i'll go with what I saw

 

[Dantee]

@Hiideen shinobi

What is there to prove Hiruzen was called the strongest hokage by the people of his village and time. What do you have to prove Hashi is the strongest??

NOTHING. You are using hype from Madara speaking in past tense who also had a love affair with hashi if you know what I mean. So suck it up Hiruzen is the strongest.

Oro a guy with plenty of knowledge was so underconfident brung two freaken kages to fight Hriuzen. That included Hashi. So hashi supporters ain't got shi but their dum opinions that are swayed by Madaras affair with Hashi.

 

[MickNerks]

Haven't I already refuted your argument? The Gigantic hole in your argument, is that it isn't people of the younger generation that called hiruzen the strongest kage..
According to oro and kabuto he WAS called the strongest hokage

Was referring to past, Referring to when he was in his prime...When hiruzen was in his prime, undoubtedly there was ninjas in the village who would have met tobirama and hashirama


Try again




And the Viz official english scan translated that to talking about his qualities as a man , and that Minato was noble.. a finer shinobi never existed..

your right

Glad to see someone with some sense +rep

your right

No it was not show me where.

your wrong.lol

 

[TheSages456]

But all of that falls to the ground when Kishi says directly in the data book that Hiruzen is the strongest Kage of his time and strongest Hokage

So when that was stated all assumptions shouldve been out the window

they arent really assumptions when there are manga facts backing them up.

Haven't I already refuted your argument? The Gigantic hole in your argument, is that it isn't people of the younger generation that called hiruzen the strongest kage..
According to oro and kabuto he WAS called the strongest hokage

Was referring to past, Referring to when he was in his prime...When hiruzen was in his prime, undoubtedly there was ninjas in the village who would have met tobirama and hashirama


Try again




And the Viz official english scan translated that to talking about his qualities as a man , and that Minato was noble.. a finer shinobi never existed..

the ninjas who witnessed both primes tried to tell people about shodais strength but were dismissed. it was the newer generation that gave hiruzen his nicknames. it is specifically stated in the manga that hashiramas power was a myth like rikudo sennins existence. that is the only way it makes sense. also you cant assume that everyone automatically knew how strong hashirama was because they lived in his era. you already saw that with onoki and madara.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

@Hidden Shinobi You take peoples words who are not fodder seriously right?

Well what about Itachi saying the only person who could defeat him was Sasuke
Or Oonoki saying he was the only one that could fight Muu?

I mean this goes by your logic

 

[FizzyDrink]

Has anyone even looked at my comment?

Either way, there is a big difference between BEING CALLED something and actually BEING that something.

Tiger Woods. He's a golfer. At his prime, people CALLED him the best golfer of all time. Was he? Not necessarily. Just because a lot of people CALL somebody something, doesn't mean that he was. So all of these arguments are ridiculous.

 

[Cronos]

Where did kishi or anyone say hiruzen is the strongest and I don't want was called go on show me one page or scan because I have seen one powerful person say things like "hashi is the only one" and "hashi can do this or that" but show me one powerful person or someone half decent who said hiruzen is. I repeat IS not was called.

proff...

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is this enough?

 

[Owarij]

the ninjas who witnessed both primes tried to tell people about shodais strength but were dismissed. it was the newer generation that gave hiruzen his nicknames. it is specifically stated in the manga that hashiramas power was a myth like rikudo sennins existence. that is the only way it makes sense. also you cant assume that everyone automatically knew how strong hashirama was because they lived in his era. you already saw that with onoki and madara.

The name and title wasn't given in the younger generation you imbecile

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Iruka never said he IS called the strongest hokage.. He WAS....


I'll repeat in basic english once more...
Back in hiruzen's prime, People called him the strongest hokage..
There ninjas of hiruzen's prime would have known both hashirama and tobirama ...

And it is these people of that generation who still considered Hiruzen to be the strongest of the two hokages...

 

[yuan of cruxis]

they arent really assumptions when there are manga facts backing them up.



the ninjas who witnessed both primes tried to tell people about shodais strength but were dismissed. it was the newer generation that gave hiruzen his nicknames. it is specifically stated in the manga that hashiramas power was a myth like rikudo sennins existence. that is the only way it makes sense. also you cant assume that everyone automatically knew how strong hashirama was because they lived in his era. you already saw that with onoki and madara.

Kabuto didnt exist during Hashiramas time, and only kabuto compared him to Rikudo.
Kabuto also compared himself to Rikudo and got defeated by Itachi while he wasnt going all out on Kabuto

So if you take Kabutos words so seriously then Itachi defeated a Rikudo level ninja?

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Has anyone even looked at my comment?

Either way, there is a big difference between BEING CALLED something and actually BEING that something.

Tiger Woods. He's a golfer. At his prime, people CALLED him the best golfer of all time. Was he? Not necessarily. Just because a lot of people CALL somebody something, doesn't mean that he was. So all of these arguments are ridiculous.

TIger Woods is the best golfer of all time:shrug: lol

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

I am not reply to you idiots any more I said show me one scan where someone said hiruzen IS the strongest kage IS god of shinobi or IS anything I don't want is called. Because I have heard IS and CAN DO and ONLY ONE WHO CAN STOP ME and much more from edo madara one of the most OP characters around. If you can't even show me one scan of someone decent on power saying hiruzen IS anything you all are a disgrace and you have no intelligence, well in this matter anyway.

You scream the manga the manga yet I have re read the manga and found out everything you have told me is false.

I will say it again show me one scan so I can shut up, please shut me up.

 

[Exaar]

I would like to see anyone give links to where Hashirama was even Hinted to be the strongest Hokage/Kage U_U

 

[TheSages456]

The name and title wasn't given in the younger generation you imbecile

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Iruka never said he IS called the strongest hokage.. He WAS....


I'll repeat in basic english once more...
Back in hiruzen's prime, People called him the strongest hokage..
There ninjas of hiruzen's prime would have known both hashirama and tobirama ...

And it is these people of that generation who still considered Hiruzen to be the strongest of the two hokages...

alright i will try to say this nice and slowly. when people heard of hashiramas strength, they automatically assumed people were lying because they never knew such a powerful shinobi could exist. they then went and said hiruzen>hashirama because thats what they saw and thats what seemed reasonable. the manga backs this up. i guess you think prime hiruzen>ems madara with kyuubi.

 

[Imperius]

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does this now mean that hashi > edo madara?
:sy:

 

[Cronos]

I am not reply to you idiots any more I said show me one scan where someone said hiruzen IS the strongest kage IS god of shinobi or IS anything I don't want is called. Because I have heard IS and CAN DO and ONLY ONE WHO CAN STOP ME and much more from edo madara one of the most OP characters around. If you can't even show me one scan of someone decent on power saying hiruzen IS anything you all are a disgrace and you have no intelligence, well in this matter anyway.

You scream the manga the manga yet I have re read the manga and found out everything you have told me is false.

I will say it again show me one scan so I can shut up, please shut me up.

pls just look at my link!

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, is this enough!